Method VSE alone sailing on a boat

[Climber]

Things are not getting better, I don't think they ever will.

My original plan was to VSE + hypothermia on a mountain climb but there are a lot of hurdles for this especially rescue attempts.

Right now I'm leaning towards VSE on a boat instead, I still need to save up more to purchase a cheap sailboat but the idea would be to sail far off coast without food supplies.

Would solve the rescue issue and although not as beautiful a view as the mountains the ocean has always been special to me.

Although VSE is a non method, I don't see how it wouldn't work considering I would have no way of obtaining food and no way of finding my way back to shore.

Wanted opinions.

 

[Tautochrome]

Sounds like torture. To an extent, I admire bravery of people who decide to do it by putting themselves in terrible situations with no way out, but at the same time it feels inconsiderate for the future self experiencing all the fear and anguish

 

[dirkw83]

Yes this sounds like drawn out torture, you'll probably be compelled to drink saltwater, at some point you'll go delirious and whatnot. But you said VSE and not VSED so you're planning on taking water with you?

 

[ZwartHartje]

It will take a while, and isn't there quite some risk of being found? I don't know where you're planning to sail, but even the vast oceans have lots of shipping traffic these days, and if someone should check in asking if you're ok when you're already in an advanced state of starvation you may not be able to pretend to be ok.

 

[Climber]

Yes this sounds like drawn out torture, you'll probably be compelled to drink saltwater, at some point you'll go delirious and whatnot. But you said VSE and not VSED so you're planning on taking water with you?

Yes, Water and alcohol. I do understand I'll be delirious but I think at that point things will already be set in motion. As long as it has a guaranteed end it doesn't feel like torture.

It will take a while, and isn't there quite some risk of being found? I don't know where you're planning to sail, but even the vast oceans have lots of shipping traffic these days, and if someone should check in asking if you're ok when you're already in an advanced state of starvation you may not be able to pretend to be ok.

That I'm not quite sure about either, might have to do more research on what the most remote locations are. Would be incredibly unlucky to be saved I guess.

Sounds like torture. To an extent, I admire bravery of people who decide to do it by putting themselves in terrible situations with no way out, but at the same time it feels inconsiderate for the future self experiencing all the fear and anguish

I don't think it's bravery lol. It's sort of cowardice, I can't force myself to actively do it fast, but I do have very strong willpower for drawn out tasks. In a way I also think my future selves deserves it so it's fitting.

 

[yotaka]

My original plan was to VSE + hypothermia on a mountain climb but there are a lot of hurdles for this especially rescue attempts.

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but would you care to say more about this? Although that's not my plan exactly, it's similar enough that I wonder what hurdles you had in mind. I also wonder what you mean by rescue attempts. How would people know where you are?

 

[Climber]

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but would you care to say more about this? Although that's not my plan exactly, it's similar enough that I wonder what hurdles you had in mind. I also wonder what you mean by rescue attempts. How would people know where you are?

Had to rewrite because I'm not super comfortable telling other people what to do but essentially mountaineering is a real sport and you have to get registered/certified in a lot of places. Including time of climb/return etc.

 

[yotaka]

Had to rewrite because I'm not super comfortable telling other people what to do but essentially mountaineering is a real sport and you have to get registered/certified in a lot of places. Including time of climb/return etc.

That makes sense, but, as someone who lives around a bunch of mountains, I'm still a bit confused. Can't you just, ya know, climb a mountain? I mean, mountains are big. Seems too me that there are plenty of places to get lost without ever having told anybody beforehand...

I'm not trying to be difficult. Just genuinely curious what would keep one from simply heading off into the wilderness.

 

[Climber]

That makes sense, but, as someone who lives around a bunch of mountains, I'm still a bit confused. Can't you just, ya know, climb a mountain? I mean, mountains are big. Seems too me that there are plenty of places to get lost without ever having told anybody beforehand...

I'm not trying to be difficult. Just genuinely curious what would keep one from simply heading off into the wilderness.

Yeah I could. SI I guess is a big factor, as I feel it's easier to turn back hiking on a close by mountain, another is the time it would take.

If it takes month+ they would have a lot of time to look. Maybe I'm overestimating the success rate of search and rescue.

Another thing with search and rescue is burden of cost. I don't want them to have to waste resources on me. For context I think I'd be declared missing very fast if I stopped responding to family.

Another factor that comes to mind is meaning, I originally wanted it to happen on a very tall mountain as sort of a meaningful last achievement, kinda cringe ig.

Lastly comfort, I can comfortably pack the sailboat with blankets, water, alcohol, books, games etc. Since I feel it's impossible to VSE out of my room it is the closest thing to one.

But I guess you're right, especially if hypothermia got me first I think any random mountain could do the job.

 

[yotaka]

Yeah I could. SI I guess is a big factor, as I feel it's easier to turn back hiking on a close by mountain, another is the time it would take.

If it takes month+ they would have a lot of time to look. Maybe I'm overestimating the success rate of search and rescue.

Another thing with search and rescue is burden of cost. I don't want them to have to waste resources on me.

Another factor that comes to mind is meaning, I originally wanted it to happen on a very tall mountain as sort of a meaningful last achievement, kinda cringe ig.

Lastly comfort, I can comfortably pack the sailboat with blankets, water, alcohol, books, games etc. Since I feel it's impossible to VSE out of my room it is the closest thing to one.

But I guess you're right, especially if hypothermia got me first I think any random mountain could do the job.

Got ya. That all makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain, and apologies again for hijacking the thread. Also, for what it's worth, I don't think wanting to have one last meaningful achievement is cringe at all.

Whether you climb a mountain or go sailing or something else altogether, I wish you a grand adventure

 

[never mind me]

This sounds truly awful. I think there are a much better and less painful options to ctb. Even hypothermia in a remote place doesn't sound too bad as long as you can go to a really remote place where nobody will find you for a while. I think if you can manage to find a remote location where you can die of hypothermia you actually wouldn't need to combine it with VSE. Although I wouldn't consider hypothermia as a method for myself due to it being to complicated to set up for me I think it is quite peaceful. I experienced mild hypothermia a couple of times while climbing and kayaking and I am really fascinated how indifferent I became. Contrary to other potentially dangerous situations where I experience fear and have a strong physical response to the situation with hypothermia I have trouble doing the necessary steps (like getting more clothes out of my backpack and putting them on or turning back on a climb) to save myself. I think I would have trouble taking the right decisions to stay alive with hypothermia, if there was noone else around to help me, even when I actually want to live. So I think it would be a method that could be really chill regarding SI, once things start to get dangerous you just can't be bothered to care any more or do anything about it.

 

[yotaka]

This sounds truly awful. I think there are a much better and less painful options to ctb. Even hypothermia in a remote place doesn't sound too bad as long as you can go to a really remote place where nobody will find you for a while. I think if you can manage to find a remote location where you can die of hypothermia you actually wouldn't need to combine it with VSE. Although I wouldn't consider hypothermia as a method for myself due to it being to complicated to set up for me I think it is quite peaceful. I experienced mild hypothermia a couple of times while climbing and kayaking and I am really fascinated how indifferent I became. Contrary to other potentially dangerous situations where I experience fear and have a strong physical response to the situation with hypothermia I have trouble doing the necessary steps (like getting more clothes out of my backpack and putting them on or turning back on a climb) to save myself. I think I would have trouble taking the right decisions to stay alive with hypothermia, if there was noone else around to help me, even when I actually want to live. So I think it would be a method that could be really chill regarding SI, once things start to get dangerous you just can't be bothered to care any more or do anything about it.

I wonder if, hypothetically, one could use a sailboat to get someplace cold and isolated, leading to hypothermia...

 

[Climber]

This sounds truly awful. I think there are a much better and less painful options to ctb. Even hypothermia in a remote place doesn't sound too bad as long as you can go to a really remote place where nobody will find you for a while. I think if you can manage to find a remote location where you can die of hypothermia you actually wouldn't need to combine it with VSE. Although I wouldn't consider hypothermia as a method for myself due to it being to complicated to set up for me I think it is quite peaceful. I experienced mild hypothermia a couple of times while climbing and kayaking and I am really fascinated how indifferent I became. Contrary to other potentially dangerous situations where I experience fear and have a strong physical response to the situation with hypothermia I have trouble doing the necessary steps (like getting more clothes out of my backpack and putting them on or turning back on a climb) to save myself. I think I would have trouble taking the right decisions to stay alive with hypothermia, if there was noone else around to help me, even when I actually want to live. So I think it would be a method that could be really chill regarding SI, once things start to get dangerous you just can't be bothered to care any more or do anything about it.

Yes that was the original plan because of how easy it sounded. I still have a planned out place I would use if choosing hypothermia because I want it to be meaningful.

Got ya. That all makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain, and apologies again for hijacking the thread. Also, for what it's worth, I don't think wanting to have one last meaningful achievement is cringe at all.

Whether you climb a mountain or go sailing or something else altogether, I wish you a grand adventure

No worries, thanks for the reply as well. Wishing you the best, hope things feel better