"suicide is selfish"

[Leonfreak17]

why do people say suicide is selfish? isn't it more selfish to make me stay here? never had a job because my mental illness is from childhood trauma, so I live off SSI, it's not enough to survive on my own and I feel like such a leech and a burden, but people won't let me kill myself, some will actually go to great lengths to prevent me from killing myself only to abandon me later ...why? isn't that a more selfish act?

 

[Cepheuss]

It annoys me so much how people can genuinely believe its selfish to end your own suffering because it'll hurt the people around you when it is infinitely more selfish to keep someone suffering forever because you enjoy interacting with them.

 

[FuneralCry]

All that's selfish to me is forcing people to suffer in this terrible, torturous existence that should never be imposed at all, anti-suicide is extreme cruelty, all that anti-suicide people want is for others to be tortured in this existence for as much and as long as possible, it truly is so horrible, it's the most horrific world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what.

 

[absolute failure]

All that's selfish to me is forcing people to suffer in this terrible, torturous existence that should never be imposed at all, anti-suicide is extreme cruelty, all that anti-suicide people want is for others to be tortured in this existence for as much and as long as possible, it truly is so horrible, it's the most horrific world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what.

yeah lets just ctb soon then :D

 

[Spite]

I heard some arrogant asshole say this to someone who was suicidal years ago. He berated her because she voiced that she wanted to end her life, and this guy was like "how incredibly fucking selfish" and said "tHiNk oF yOuR fUcKiNg FaMiLy!!!1" as if to assume that all families to ever exist are automatically always loving and caring.

But yeah hearing that pisses me off. You know what's actually selfish? Forcing someone to stay alive against their own will as a means of prioritising one's comfort and desire to avoid grief.

 

[Macedonian1987]

I think the opposite, i think its selfish to prevent someone's suicide just because you dont want to feel sad for a while, while the suicidal person lives in absolute agony (chronic pain or cripling depression or both)

 

[Pluto]

 

[Forever Sleep]

I also believe the opposite is true. I think it's primarily for selfish reasons that parents bring children here in the first place- and then- expect them to stay here- even if their lives bring them incurable pain and suffering. Why is that even considered love?

As for everyone else- I also agree. Empathy needs to work in both directions. I think we should consider those it may hurt if we go but then- they should also take time to consider how painful it will be for us to stay.

If only suicide was something we could discuss openly. If only it were a more acceptable decision- perhaps people wouldn't be so hurt if it was generally more talked about and accepted.They could at least get more time to come to terms with the decision and reasoning behind it.

 

[Aflame5926]

its a form of brainwashing. you know people select their truth. all this mental stuff got baised basicly related to the church or some kind of regilion.


its part brainwashing basicly because of the past influence of the church.
and people select their truth is because themself dont want to get hurt. i dont are able or choice to not look at it from our point of vieuw. thinking they know it better.
surprise surprise MF its my life.

 

[Leonfreak17]

its a form of brainwashing. you know people select their truth. all this mental stuff got baised basicly related to the church or some kind of regilion.


its part brainwashing basicly because of the past influence of the church.
and people select their truth is because themself dont want to get hurt. i dont are able or choice to not look at it from our point of vieuw. thinking they know it better.
surprise surprise MF its my life.

A society that runs off of the effort of its livestock, needs more sheep, we don't own our bodies, the government does.


"suicide is a sin" because you're beating God at his own game

 

[Shadows From Hell]

"Suicide is the coward's way out"

Really?

Well, guess I'm a coward. Fuck you....


Also, "If you were going to commit suicide, you would have already done it"

No, because assholes like you prevent me from accomplishing my wish.

 

[Hunter2005]

It's not selfish, society is just brainwash by the media to believe it is.

 

[Leonfreak17]

"Suicide is the coward's way out"

Really?

Well, guess I'm a coward. Fuck you....


Also, "If you were going to commit suicide, you would have already done it"

No, because assholes like you prevent me from accomplishing my wish.

"you would of already done it" I've heard that before too, why do they think that would help/do anything??

 

[Leonfreak17]

It's not selfish, society is just brainwash by the media to believe it is.

and religion

 

[dirkw83]

I don't think it's selfish, selfishness is doing something without regard for others. But many, maybe most, people who commit suicide do it despite having regard for others. The pain is just too much. I've seen really great people commit suicide because they couldn't deal with life anymore, I would never want to take that freedom away from anyone by trying to morally blockade them.

 

[SoLowHollow48]

I'm probably going to get trashed but it kind of is. Especially when we've tried to facilitate you to get better. You might say shit like "oh but that's bare minimum because I'm your daughter/son/sister whatever-whatever" but the truth is that, you know we have to be very specific with you. I don't need to be on meds. Your friends don't need to go for a psychiatric check-up every month. We're walking on eggshells for you because we love you so much, we can't let you go but you go anyway.

What we see in you, you ignore that. What we feel for you, you throw that shit out of the window like we do not mean anything to you. Our efforts are overlooked. Our time is wasted. Our attempts at caring for you is tossed into the bin.

So, yeah. For families and friends who have tried, and still lose someone to suicide... suicide is fucking selfish. I've been there. Actually, I'm there. She died only a year ago.

 

[dhk96]

I also believe the opposite is true. I think it's primarily for selfish reasons that parents bring children here in the first place- and then- expect them to stay here- even if their lives bring them incurable pain and suffering. Why is that even considered love?

As for everyone else- I also agree. Empathy needs to work in both directions. I think we should consider those it may hurt if we go but then- they should also take time to consider how painful it will be for us to stay.

If only suicide was something we could discuss openly. If only it were a more acceptable decision- perhaps people wouldn't be so hurt if it was generally more talked about and accepted.They could at least get more time to come to terms with the decision and reasoning behind it.

Apologies if this applies to anyone reading this because I know we're a mix of people of all ages and circumstances. But I've always thought it was highly selfish for people to have children and then commit suicide themselves. Even moreso if the children were also depressed and/or suicidal before the signs and their passing. Like they were brought into life without consent, hated life, and now have to deal with the fact that the one who brought them here is gone by choice.

I know that people can become depressed and/or suicidal later in life, but if I can be completely honest with my perspective as a child of someone and not a parent, it simply feels cruel and unfair. Especially if the children weren't planning to flip the coin on a potential life like their parents had (i.e. not planning to have kids).

This might go against the idea that "everyone deserves to end their suffering" but it's one of my selfish perspectives on suicide that I don't think will ever change.

 

[itsgone2]

I'm probably going to get trashed but it kind of is. Especially when we've tried to facilitate you to get better. You might say shit like "oh but that's bare minimum because I'm your daughter/son/sister whatever-whatever" but the truth is that, you know we have to be very specific with you. I don't need to be on meds. Your friends don't need to go for a psychiatric check-up every month. We're walking on eggshells for you because we love you so much, we can't let you go but you go anyway.

What we see in you, you ignore that. What we feel for you, you throw that shit out of the window like we do not mean anything to you. Our efforts are overlooked. Our time is wasted. Our attempts at caring for you is tossed into the bin.

So, yeah. For families and friends who have tried, and still lose someone to suicide... suicide is fucking selfish. I've been there. Actually, I'm there. She died only a year ago.

It may depend on the situation. For me it's partially selfish. I'm suffering so it benefits me. But it will hurt my family. Ideally I'd find a way out. I can't find one. I'm trying. If no one really affected though then no, agree it's not selfish.

 

[Leonfreak17]

I'm probably going to get trashed but it kind of is. Especially when we've tried to facilitate you to get better. You might say shit like "oh but that's bare minimum because I'm your daughter/son/sister whatever-whatever" but the truth is that, you know we have to be very specific with you. I don't need to be on meds. Your friends don't need to go for a psychiatric check-up every month. We're walking on eggshells for you because we love you so much, we can't let you go but you go anyway.

What we see in you, you ignore that. What we feel for you, you throw that shit out of the window like we do not mean anything to you. Our efforts are overlooked. Our time is wasted. Our attempts at caring for you is tossed into the bin.

So, yeah. For families and friends who have tried, and still lose someone to suicide... suicide is fucking selfish. I've been there. Actually, I'm there. She died only a year ago.

I'm so sorry my mother killed herself in 2013 and I think about it constantly still, her last words to me were "I'll see you soon" and that has haunted me for years, like she is calling me to join her or something... it's all just so painful... and it's not that the care and love was "tossed out the window" but it's hard to see it when the whole world looks dark as is, everything feels like manipulation, everyone has a motive, humans are just fucked.

when I found out my mother was dead, I felt immense relief because I knew she wasn't suffering anymore, and yeah, it made my life hell, and I still have not recovered, but she isn't suffering anymore. I could also not be suffering anymore.



"a man who kills a man, kills a man, a man who kills himself kills all men, as far as he knows, he has wiped out the world"