suicide is selfish?

[dragon.//]

Guilt tripping is one of society's main tools for keeping suffering people stuck in this life against their will.

Very true

 

[diazepam23]

Let's not lie to ourselves.
It IS selfish because you make other suffers to end your own suffering.
But it is also selfish to cage someone into an unwanted existence.
There is no good outcome.

But why should people feel entitled to your life when they probably won't care about feeding or clothing you when alive?

I could understand if you have people in your life that deeply care about you but not everyone has that. My friend with Asperger's took his own life after becoming her homeless, psychotic. He had no friends and was estranged from his family. I don't see how that's selfish.

 

[joey2424]

I think we make all of our decisions with a balance of care for others and to fulfill our own needs. Suicide isn't selfish, because I feel like it's the balance of the equation. Suicide isn't easy. When someone is driven that far, it's because their suffering was too extreme to stick around for the sake of others. I can understand being upset with a lost one for making the decision. But mostly it's so, so sad that they felt the way they did about living.

 

[Natanael]

Let's be clear, your death will change the lives of those close to you forever and usually causes considerable damage.

This isn't something that "pro-lifers" thing, it's a reality.
Death and suicide are not light topics and have many consequences on several levels.

It may vary depending on whether people depended on you or not, but everyone has their reasons.

 

[liquid jen]

We put down dogs when they are in unbearable pain, everybody knows deep down that death is better than constant hurt. However, for many mental torment is not seen as equivacle. This is because many people get better or face very little hardship. This pain can't be quantified by those who've never experienced it's full reach. They view it as selfish because it hurts them. Their pain is not at all equal to ours.
What IS selfish is their insistence on keeping us alive. We have bodily autonomy, we should be able to choose. Giving birth is selfish, but very few want to admit that. Being a good person is near impossible. Most everything that people do is selfish.

 

[diazepam23]

Let's be clear, your death will change the lives of those close to you forever and usually causes considerable damage.

This isn't something that "pro-lifers" thing, it's a reality.
Death and suicide are not light topics and have many consequences on several levels.

It may vary depending on whether people depended on you or not, but everyone has their reasons.

Okay but not everyone has someone close to them. What about those that are homeless?

 

[Natanael]

Okay but not everyone has someone close to them. What about those that are homeless?

We both know the answer, and it's very sad one

On another note, no innocent person deserves to be alone or abandoned

Okay but not everyone has someone close to them. What about those that are homeless?

Also, as a personal experience, I knew a homeless man who lived near our house, at least I think about him from time to time.

He died of cirrhosis, he drank too much, since he was a teenager, when he got sick in the neighborhood we took care of him, sometimes we brought him food.

I remember him telling me, "When I get better, I'll never drink again." (He didn't fully understand his condition).

He eventually died where he was because the hospitals turned him away. It had a big impact on me; I was a teenager. The neighborhood pitched in to give him a funeral. The neighbors were the only ones there; no family members showed up.

 

[diazepam23]

We both know the answer, and it's very sad one

On another note, no innocent person deserves to be alone or abandoned

Also, as a personal experience, I knew a homeless man who lived near our house, at least I think about him from time to time.

He died of cirrhosis, he drank too much, since he was a teenager, when he got sick in the neighborhood we took care of him, sometimes we brought him food.

I remember him telling me, "When I get better, I'll never drink again." (He didn't fully understand his condition).

He eventually died where he was because the hospitals turned him away. It had a big impact on me; I was a teenager. The neighborhood pitched in to give him a funeral. The neighbors were the only ones there; no family members showed up.

Not sure what the answer is.

 

[Natanael]

Not sure what the answer is.

You can't hurt people you don't have.

On the other hand, complement my comment with the story I told you as an example

Even sometimes, without having people close to you, you still leave a body behind and someone will always have to take care of you, but the responsibility is definitely not nearly as great as that of people close to you or family members.

 

[Zaphkiel]

But why should people feel entitled to your life when they probably won't care about feeding or clothing you when alive?

I could understand if you have people in your life that deeply care about you but not everyone has that. My friend with Asperger's took his own life after becoming her homeless, psychotic. He had no friends and was estranged from his family. I don't see how that's selfish.

No everything is tainted black dude.
There are a lot of nuances. Idk what you trying to demonstrate in this thread but yeah, dying WILL have some sort of influence, you want it or not.
Even if only for the the personnel that will take care of your body.
They might be used to it, but they are far from hearthless.
Ask a nurse each time a patient of her dies how she feels.

 

[Tired_birth_1967]

I don't see it that way. Death is certain, it's inevitable. If I don't leave any debt for anyone to pay, nothing matters. This mechanism that keeps us alive is what's not worthy of respect. An indifferent, insensitive process whose sole purpose is death. Whoever believes that life is a blessing, continue living. "Causing suffering to those who remain"? What causes suffering is life. Even though I know some people will feel my death , I don't care in the slightest. It was their choice to believe that life is more than a biological process. Even with all the evidence that life is only that. If they want, they can leave life too. If their suffering is so great, let them give up on living. But that's my view. The view of someone who sees life as an indifferent imposition of a purely biological mechanism. In my view, life never was and never will be about a gift. And I make that very clear to everyone I know. It's simply being born, living, and dying. Those who romanticize life are simply closing their eyes to what life will do to them sooner or later: it will destroy, annihilate, eliminate, and in that process there is no compassion, no justice, nothing. The end is putrefaction. Fetuses, children, adults, and the elderly will be reaped with extreme pain and suffering. That is life. I am still here, but I have definitely never had that kind of worry.

 

[pax420]

If it's selfish than oh well I guess I'll just be selfish. Its my head my choice lol I got to live in here nobody else.

 

[FadingSnowFake]

No, it's not. But telling people before may place them in a difficult spot.