Sodium NITRATE

[Hopelessness2022]

What discomfort comes with sodium NITRATE and is it painless? I'm curious as to if the symptoms are mild or severe. Also if there is any over the counter drugs to help with the symptoms

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Good question. Posting to subscribe.

 

[Tempest]

Do you mean nitrite? Sodium nitrate isn't lethal

 

[ThisIsNotMeR]

What discomfort comes with sodium NITRATE and is it painless? I'm curious as to if the symptoms are mild or severe. Also if there is any over the counter drugs to help with the symptoms

I believe sodium nitrate is an oxidising agent that works in a similar way to sodium nitrite, just far less potent, so the effects would be much the same.

A google search gives the LD50 in rats at 1267 mg/kg, and you'd be wanting to take several times that amount. At the very least, I think it'd be quite difficult to ingest that amount of salt without vomiting it all up repeatedly. However, I may be wrong, and it'd be pretty cool if so- nitrate is much easier to obtain.

But yes, to answer your question, probably essentially the same symptoms as nitrite. May range from none at all, to discomfort such as nausea and bad headaches; at the very least, no severe pain.

Do you mean nitrite? Sodium nitrate isn't lethal

Nitrate is in fact lethal, but only in huge doses, far more than nitrite. I don't think a person could ingest that much of a salt

 

[Someone123]

It has been in the news lately that Matthew MIndler, a young actor in his first year of college, committed suicide using sodium nitrate- there are articles all over about this. However, I wonder if it was actually sodium nitrite, and maybe they are saying nitrate to try to avoid copycats.

 

[blueclover_.]

But isn't Sodium Nitrate just regular salt?

 

[ThisIsNotMeR]

But isn't Sodium Nitrate just regular salt?

Regular salt is sodium chloride, but sodium nitrate isn't much more dangerous. Hence, huge doses. Even water can kill you if you drink enough of it

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Regular salt is sodium chloride, but sodium nitrate isn't much more dangerous. Hence, huge doses. Even water can kill you if you drink enough of i

Sodium Nitrite is NaNO2. Sodium Nitrate is NaNO3. How does an extra oxygen atom lower the effectiveness so much?

 

[odradek]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/is-sodium-nitrate-overdose-painless.75744/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrate.75783/

 

[ThisIsNotMeR]

Sodium Nitrite is NaNO2. Sodium Nitrate is NaNO3. How does an extra oxygen atom lower the effectiveness so much?

I can't say why, I'm no chemist. However, I'm not surprised, changing a small part of its structure usually does totally change the properties of a compound.

 

[Someone123]

Sodium Nitrite is NaNO2. Sodium Nitrate is NaNO3. How does an extra oxygen atom lower the effectiveness so much?

An extra oxygen atom is also the difference between carbon monoxide, which is poisonous and kills people frequently, and carbon dioxide, which we all breathe all the time.

 

[8evergo]

Sodium nitrate ist schwirig in deutschald zu bekommen die schicken es nicht dort hin

 

[SentientCreature]

You can't buy sodium nitrite on Amazon

I'm pretty sure it used to be available on Amazon as well and then some people started giving it bad reviews and saying that their family member used it to commit suicide and eventually it got removed.

But I've also been wondering if what I'd ingested last year was sodium nitrate. I had all the external symptoms of nitrite poisoning but my methemoglobin level was only slightly above normal. But now I found this source which claims that sodium nitrate causes methemoglobinemia as well(it's listed in the table).

But if that's the case, does the famous blood test provide a reliable measure of nitrite presence? In that case it wouldn't rule out nitrate, but it would confirm that the substance is one that induces methemoglobinemia, which is what we want, right? That is if the only reason blood turns brown is the presence of methemoglobin.

I'd be grateful if someone knowledgeable could shed some light on this as I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Cheers]

I'd be grateful if someone knowledgeable could shed some light on this as I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Okay so i tried to look it up and it seems that actually nitrate can convert into nitrite when in contact with our saliva but only a small portion does. So when ingesting nitrate you'll get similar symptoms to nitrite poisoning but to a much lesser extent. Which is why, as SugoiServal said above, nitrate is deadly but it needs a much greater quantity to work. And this is also why it doesn't react the same in a blood test. Hope this helps!

Sodium Nitrate vs. Sodium Nitrite

Nitrate and nitrite are both used as food additives when combined with sodium. So, what’s the difference between the two? Well, nitrate is made up of one nitrogen atom and three oxygen atoms while nitrite is made up of one nitrogen atoms and only two oxygen atoms.

ingredi.com

 

[fox_wannabe]

Do not take nitrate.
It is not the same, and the mechanism of death will be completely different. I would not recommend

 

[BrokenHopes]

it is not a low dosage für meat and cooking 0,88% u nedd a least 99% pure NS from amazon Germany

Is 98% not enough? It says 95% - 100% in Stan's guide. I got one that is 98% pure.

 

[Cheers]

Do not take nitrate.
It is not the same, and the mechanism of death will be completely different. I would not recommend

Actually the mechanism is basically the same: methemoglobinemia and then hypoxia (the ld50 is very different though)
But you're right, taking nitrate is definitely not recommended!

 

[fox_wannabe]

Actually the mechanism is basically the same: methemoglobinemia and then hypoxia (the ld50 is very different though)
But you're right, taking nitrate is definitely not recommended!

Yeah you are right sorry. I just read so many times that nitrate won't work. But Nitrite is preferable. Just today I have spoken with person who took nitrite and they died in 15 mins (91days) I am bit weirded out. It seamed peaceful tho

 

[Cheers]

Yeah you are right sorry. I just read so many times that nitrate won't work. But Nitrite is preferable. Just today I have spoken with person who took nitrite and they died in 15 mins (91days) I am bit weirded out. It seamed peaceful tho

No big deal, i just wanted to clear it up to avoid any misunderstanding for other users
I saw 91days's thread as well, it did seem like a quiet death which is quite reassuring, i truly hope they left for a better place

 

[fox_wannabe]

No big deal, i just wanted to clear it up to avoid any misunderstanding for other users
I saw 91days's thread as well, it did seem like a quiet death which is quite reassuring, i truly hope they left for a better place

Yeah, they did <3

 

[44nutz1977]

It has been in the news lately that Matthew MIndler, a young actor in his first year of college, committed suicide using sodium nitrate- there are articles all over about this. However, I wonder if it was actually sodium nitrite, and maybe they are saying nitrate to try to avoid copycats.

I am pretty sure the press were told 'nitrate'.. as you say. To avoid copycats. I looked heavily into the differences between nitrite and nitrate since that famous guy took his life recently. As many have said here 'nitrate' would require a large amount and most likely be vomited. It would not be pleasant. So I would say the press were told to say 'nitrate'.... So if anyone did try they would fail and get attention from psych/doctors.

I am ordering nitrite next week. It's fucking expensive as the only source I have recommended as legitimate is in Canada (I am UK based).

When I am going I am also taking benzos to relax and ensure I have the right dose. Also covering my head with a bag to speed up the process. It's all about stopping oxygen getting to the brain. It sounds peaceful enough to me and that's all I want.

I can't stand the thought of my body being found as an unrecognisable bloody mess as someone close to me will have to see my dead body.

 

[diyCTB]

This is what attached document mentions:

"Nitrate may be reduced into cancerogenic nitrite under various
condition."

What do you think? If person changes mind or survives will it speed up cancer development? @Cheers @SugoiServal @Someone123

 

[Cheers]

This is what attached document mentions:

What do you think? If person changes mind or survives will it speed up cancer development? @Cheers @SugoiServal @Someone123

It is indeed an information that comes up fairly often in nitrite/nitrate related articles, there seems to be a correlation (not necessarily causation tho) but you'd need to check how much insight there is in those claims bc cancer development and its potential factors can only be observed on a long-term scale. I haven't done any research but if i were you i'd start by checking how long was the study conducted for.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Regular salt is sodium chloride, but sodium nitrate isn't much more dangerous. Hence, huge doses. Even water can kill you if you drink enough of it

Interesting that you said "huge doses". Russian Empire had a bizarre execution method: eating salt (from a big burlap sack) until you died. It wasn't used universally, though; short-drop hanging or beheading by axe were more common. All those methods were replaced by shooting in the back of the head when USSR government took over.

 

[marinekiwi]

Interesting that you said "huge doses". Russian Empire had a bizarre execution method: eating salt (from a big burlap sack) until you died. It wasn't used universally, though; short-drop hanging or beheading by axe were more common. All those methods were replaced by shooting in the back of the head when USSR government took over.

That was because shooting people is generally much more efficient and fast than to set up hanging spots or getting someone to chop heads off. A firing squad can mow down hundreds of people in a matter of seconds. And they killed so much that other methods were deemed too slow.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

That was because shooting people is generally much more efficient and fast than to set up hanging spots or getting someone to chop heads off. A firing squad can mow down hundreds of people in a matter of seconds. And they killed so much that other methods were deemed too slow.

Soviet executions were one-on-one shootings with a non-automatic rifle. (In Gulag camps or with political prisoners, some torture also happened prior to the shooting; otherwise, it was usually a simple shot.) They didn't use American-style firing squads, where some of the shooters are secretly given blank-loaded firearms to alleviate their conscience. So "mowing down hundreds of people" didn't happen.

 

[diyCTB]

@MyStateKilledMe Comrade?

 

[marinekiwi]

Soviet executions were one-on-one shootings with a non-automatic rifle. (In Gulag camps or with political prisoners, some torture also happened prior to the shooting; otherwise, it was usually a simple shot.) They didn't use American-style firing squads, where some of the shooters are allegedly given blank-loaded firearms to alleviate their conscience. So "mowing down hundreds of people" didn't happen.

Didn't know that! I've read about mass executions carried out by soviets and i always pictured them gathering prisoners in front of a mass grave and mowing them down, just like the nazis did at C camps

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Didn't know that! I've read about mass executions carried out by soviets and i always pictured them gathering prisoners in front of a mass grave and mowing them down, just like the nazis did at C camps

I wouldn't put anything past totalitarian governments, so I'm sure that happened too. In which case, they had to have used AK-47's or something similar. But for conventional prison executions, one-on-one shootings were the norm. That said, Russia abolished the death penalty in 1996.

@MyStateKilledMe Comrade?

Nyet! I'm American. But I have a dark fascination with execution methods, both present and historic. In fact, I joined this site last year because the social isolation from my state's Covid "stay home" laws destroyed my will to live. Which I found as tyrannical as USSR, North Korea, or Germany during WWII. (I had joined a politicized anti-quarantine group not long after that, and got my social life back.)

 

[diyCTB]

@MyStateKilledMe You must be serious extravert if you let lockdown affect you that way. I am a dead man walking introvert and lockdown did not affect me.