Sn prep How to know if a person is really dead using pulse oximeter

[rvsw]

It's a simple question but I have intense pain and confusion and could not find any answer to it.
After taking sn if pulse rate goes to 0 and oxygen level is 0 as measured by pulse oximeter is it sure person has died. Or can it be temporary coma and person can wake up.

Need the answer for a real life situation as someone is helping me ctb

 

[saltshaker]

I am not a doctor, but if you ingested SN and your heart has stopped you are probably too far gone to be saved.

If your heart doesn't stop there might be a chance of you recovering and waking up.

If someones helping you they need to be extremely careful as they could be committing a serious crime by doing so. Make it look like they weren't there at all, or that they left before you ingested it.

 

[rvsw]

Thank you for the answer. The real problem is how to know heart has stopped. Is it the pulse rate 0 as measured by pulse oximeter or is pulse rate 0 for coma patients also

 

[I-can-only-imagine]

Pulse oximeters can be highly inaccurate - as someone who uses them at work. I have had them give a reading when not attached to a person. They also are affected by the temperature of the fingers so in all honestly I would not rely on them entirely. The only way to be 100% sure would be with an ECG plus manually checking. It would be better to set a time limit for them to wait until emergency services is called to pronounce you.

 

[signifying nothing]

You might find the wiki article on clinical death useful reading:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death

 

[Meditation guide]

If your heart is stopped it usually means you're dead. I'm sure a pulse oximeter wouldn't work on a corpse. People are in danger of losing consciousness when oxygen levels are below 60%.
Heart rate varies depending on your fitness level and can be quite low and you are still perfectly ok.

 

[Acopia]

If the pulseox is reading 0, that's a good indicator the person is dead. Invest in a decent pulseox and it'll be accurate enough. You could even get a stethoscope to listen for heart sounds.
Feel for a pulse, look-listen-feel for breaths, if absent, death is highly likely.
Even people in comas still have a heart rate & oxygen level.

Interesting Q.. why do you ask?

-A

 

[rvsw]

Thank you all for response

 

[Bat 17]

At lower levels of blood oxygenation the oximeter is less reliable anyway. Nobody confirms death using an ox

 

[rvsw]

At lower levels of blood oxygenation the oximeter is less reliable anyway. Nobody confirms death using an ox

Thanks. How to confirm according to you

 

[Bat 17]

Don't know don't really feel comfortable helping you plan for CTB. If you'd like to chat about what the problem is that makes you feel this way I'm there for you

 

[rvsw]

Chronic pain bedridden no family. On morphine fentanyl methadone. Nothing works. Bedrijven for last 1.5 years. 7 out of last 15

 

[Bat 17]

Bloody hell I'm so sorry to hear that @rvsw

I have some tiny insight into what it might be like as I was bedridden for 2 months last year after trying to CTB. But 7 years

 

[Acopia]

Can I just ask.. you want to confirm your own death using a pulseox?
Am I the only one who sees a glaring problem with that plan..

 

[rvsw]

No someone else will. Before calling police

 

[Bat 17]

What do they do if you're unresponsive but not dead ?

 

[rvsw]

They will wait until death is confirmed

 

[Bat 17]

Well if they aren't medically trained that will be hard for them. Worse, I think they sound very likely to be arrested for a serious crime, as @saltshaker said above

 

[Meditation guide]

After taking sn if pulse rate goes to 0 and oxygen level is 0 as measured by pulse oximeter is it sure person has died. Or can it be temporary coma and person can wake up.

As far as the pulse oximeter goes, they may not be accurate or give a reading at the lower levels. So it's a handy tool but not entirely reliable.

 

[Bat 17]

As far as the pulse oximeter goes, they may not be accurate or give a reading at the lower levels. So it's a handy tool but not entirely reliable.

If I may quote the FDA : . "Pulse oximeter accuracy is highest at saturations of 90-100%, intermediate at 80-90%, and lowest below 80%."

OP it's just not going to trend down nicely to 0%

 

[signifying nothing]

If possible, wait until the body goes cold. Then they'd be certain.

 

[rvsw]

What does body gone cold mean exactly. Does temperature decrease and can thermometer be used

 

[signifying nothing]

A living body produces heat. A dead body cools to ambient temperature, ie room temperature.

 

[rvsw]

Thank you. So if we use thermometer and temperature goes below 98.6 f like 95 f then perhaps we can be certain that a person has died

 

[Acopia]

As someone who has seen a great many dying & dead people - I can tell you with confidence that it's easy to know if someone is dead.
It's hard to explain, but the spark just isn't there in them anymore. I wouldn't be faffing about with pulseoxes & thermometers.

Please don't involve others if you can at all help it - it really isn't fair and there's a good chance they'll end up with a charge. Don't let that be your legacy.

-A

 

[Meditation guide]

If I may quote the FDA : . "Pulse oximeter accuracy is highest at saturations of 90-100%, intermediate at 80-90%, and lowest below 80%."

So using this to show the oxygen saturation after someone has just taken SN is of no use? I thought we could watch, if for example someone was watching it live, and see the oxygen saturation as it dropped at least. And also, we would see the pulse rate.

Obviously it wouldn't confirm death, but in the past on this site people, not me but others, have watched on a live stream as someone drank SN. Then wondered what exactly was happening.

And just to clarify this, before anyone gets horrified by someone watching someone die, I am referring to close friends. Someone did not want to die alone and had a close friend here. They requested not being alone, as well as wanting to help others with any information they could provide. As far as I know, the friend watching did not know the person in real life or their name or exact location so could not have saved them, or prevented them from doing what they did.

So the only purpose of the pulse oximeter being worn was to provide some information about the physiology of drinking SN. This is something many here have done, without much to go on as far as knowing exactly what may happen.

I have seen a couple of times when people were outraged that anyone would watch someone die. I hope I have explained it so people understand it's not out of wanting to see death, it's out of compassion for not letting someone die alone who requests a friend be with them remotely, and could not under the circumstances prevent it from happening.

 

[Bat 17]

So using this to show the oxygen saturation after someone has just taken SN is of no use? I thought we could watch, if for example someone was watching it live, and see the oxygen saturation as it dropped at least. And also, we would see the pulse rate.

Obviously it wouldn't confirm death, but in the past on this site people, not me but others, have watched on a live stream as someone drank SN. Then wondered what exactly was happening.

And just to clarify this, before anyone gets horrified by someone watching someone die, I am referring to close friends. Someone did not want to die alone and had a close friend here. They requested not being alone, as well as wanting to help others with any information they could provide. As far as I know, the friend watching did not know the person in real life or their name or exact location so could not have saved them, or prevented them from doing what they did.

So the only purpose of the pulse oximeter being worn was to provide some information about the physiology of drinking SN. This is something many here have done, without much to go on as far as knowing exactly what may happen.

I have seen a couple of times when people were outraged that anyone would watch someone die. I hope I have explained it so people understand it's not out of wanting to see death, it's out of compassion for not letting someone die alone who requests a friend be with them remotely, and could not under the circumstances prevent it from happening.

Well the OP asked about using a pulseox as a reliable means to confirm death and distinguish death from, say, a comatose state. The answer is no.

Then there's the question of would a pulseox record desaturation if someone poisoned themselves with SN. Yes, as the blood is affected by methaemoglobinaemia and cyanosis occurs, there would be desaturation which would eventually become very significant.

Hmmm.....I just cant get my head around the livestream idea. Ghastly and abhorrent.

Doing so to perform some half-assed experiment to elicit the dose-toxicity curve of SN on one of your own friends as they CTB using a pulseox sounds straight from the Dr Josef Mengele playbook. Next !

 

[Meditation guide]

Well the OP asked about using a pulseox as a reliable means to confirm death and distinguish death from, say, a comatose state. The answer is no.

Then there's the question of would a pulseox record desaturation if someone poisoned themselves with SN. Yes, as the blood is affected by methaemoglobinaemia and cyanosis occurs, there would be desaturation which would eventually become very significant.

Hmmm.....I just cant get my head around the livestream idea. Ghastly and abhorrent.

Doing so to perform some half-assed experiment to elicit the dose-toxicity curve of SN on one of your own friends as they CTB using a pulseox sounds straight from the Dr Josef Mengele playbook. Next !

Let me try to explain again.

People do not want to be alone when they ctb. They are close to someone here they trust. Aside from the pulse oximeter, do you understand that?

No one is doing anything to them.



Anyway we all have our opinions one way or the other.

 

[Bat 17]

Let me try to explain again.

People do not want to be alone when they ctb. They are close to someone here they trust. Aside from the pulse oximeter, do you understand that?

No one is doing anything to them.

Yes I understand that this sort of activity takes place on SS and I understand the motivations. I've also on several occasions said how much it creeps me out.

But you seemed to be asking a question of how oximeters could be used, by those watching, to provide some information about the physiology of those drinking SN.

 

[Meditation guide]

Doing so to perform some half-assed experiment to elicit the dose-toxicity curve of SN on one of your own friends as they CTB using a pulseox sounds straight from the Dr Josef Mengele playbook. Next !

Isn't that a bit extremist?

People don't know if someone is deceased or not and we have no way to tell. Is it unreasonable to wonder about that? Comparing that to Dr. Mengele, not sure what to make of that.