Shutting down ctb forums is missing the point!.

[Rational man]

I have just scrolled through my local online news channels and have read different report's of how doctor's and medical consultants have ctb along the coast near me. Each report provides the location, method, assumed reasons and other detail. This information is available to anyone who searches the internetwork. Shutting down forums is like painting over the cracks of a life event that in many cases is poorly understood. Many people who ctb are not impulsive. Many people have made their plans in detail after much deliberation.

 

[FuneralCry]

I feel like in this world, suicide will always exist no matter what. If they took away ways for people to ctb, it would not reduce suicide, people will just resort to risky and painful methods to end their suffering. I wish that we lived in a world where our right to die is respected, it is cruel to expect people to suffer for decades against their wishes. Suicide should not be so stigmatised. In a life like this wanting suicide can be perfectly rational. I have came to the conclusion that my life is not worth living and that things will only ever get worse for me.

 

[elbjr]

Today I searched YouTube for SS. I've been watching videos all day, still watching them. They seem to all have one thing in common, they all want to blame SS for the loss of a loved one. When in reality it was a loss of love that made them lose their loved ones. And what makes it most pathetic, just the fact that SS exists will fill their lives with purpose and give them the perfect scapegoat. This way they will never have to look at how they failed.

One thing I will say though, I really don't know how to feel about under 18 kids being on the site. And all this information being available on the open Web. I think it's just fair to express how I feel about this since I mentioned the accountability of loved ones, it's not like the admin's of this forum have none at all right? I mean when I look back on an under aged me, pro-choice is the last thing I needed.

 

[Rational man]

Today I searched YouTube for SS. I've been watching videos all day, still watching them. They seem to all have one thing in common, they all want to blame SS for the loss of a loved one. When in reality it was a loss of love that made them lose their loved ones. And what makes it most pathetic, just the fact that SS exists will fill their lives with purpose and give them the perfect scapegoat. This way they will never have to look at how they failed.

One thing I will say though, I really don't know how to feel about under 18 kids being on the site. And all this information being available on the open Web. I think it's just fair to express how I feel about this since I mentioned the accountability of loved ones, it's not like the admin's of this forum have none at all right? I mean when I look back on an under aged me, pro-choice is the last thing I needed.

Thanks , interesting points. People need answers and to blame.is a very human thing We need to blame something for events we do not understand.. i think we forget sometimes that life is impermanence

 

[Riddle]

Today I searched YouTube for SS. I've been watching videos all day, still watching them. They seem to all have one thing in common, they all want to blame SS for the loss of a loved one. When in reality it was a loss of love that made them lose their loved ones. And what makes it most pathetic, just the fact that SS exists will fill their lives with purpose and give them the perfect scapegoat. This way they will never have to look at how they failed.

I don't think it is fair to assume that their loved ones were the reason why they ctb'd. And yea I was listening to the radio and they were doing a piece on a movie coming out based on the story of an 18 year old's overdose. The mother found her son dead from an overdose of heroin/fentanyl in his room and said there were no signs of drug use or odd behavior prior to the OD. After lots of therapy she recovered somewhat and was determined to make her son's death not in vain. So she wrote a book which turned into a movie and has organized several campaigns and organizations to help prevent overdoses/opiate abuse. So it seems like a natural human reaction to channel your grief that way.

One thing I will say though, I really don't know how to feel about under 18 kids being on the site. And all this information being available on the open Web. I think it's just fair to express how I feel about this since I mentioned the accountability of loved ones, it's not like the admin's of this forum have none at all right? I mean when I look back on an under aged me, pro-choice is the last thing I needed.

And yea I agree it is a difficult topic, I imagine a graph that shows ease of access on the x axis and amount of pain/success rate on the y axis. As the x variable (0 = no access to 10 = very easy access) and the y variable (0 = painful / low success, to 10 = painless / 100% success rate) then the amount of suicidal people who ctb would increase at the rate of the slope in the graph below. In an ideal world, I would set it at 10 and 10 but restrict the age to 25-26, possibly 30 with exceptions granted

 

[elbjr]

I don't think it is fair to assume that their loved ones were the reason why they ctb'd.

Yes you're totally correct. Just reading over that again, I see how I unknowingly implied that. I said that without context. And in a triggered state.

There was one video I watched where the mother was speaking in such a way That just made me cringe. I thought myself if this is how she dealt with his depression, then no wonder he is gone. I'm telling you friend, it was so pompous that even the interviewer stopped her from talking and explained to her how one cannot simply stop being depressed. How one does not choose to be depressed. And the interviewer controlled the questions for the duration of the video in order to keep her from incriminating herself as a horrible mother. When she spoke out and said SS killed my son, I thought to myself, no, it didn't.

 

[Riddle]

Yes you're totally correct. Just reading over that again, I see how I unknowingly implied that. I said that without context. There was one video I watched where the mother was speaking in such a way That just made me cringe. I thought myself if this is how she dealt with his depression, then no wonder he is gone. I'm telling you friend, it was so pompous that even the interviewer stopped her from talking and explained to her how one cannot simply stop being depressed. How one does not choose to be depressed. And the interviewer controlled the questions for the duration of the video in order to keep her from incriminating herself as a horrible mother. When she spoke out and said SS killed my son, I thought to myself, no, it didn't.

Yea I see what you mean. Some people truly cannot understand. And yea, they can blame SS for providing the information but to accuse SS of talking them into or something is another story and 100% wrong. Though I do think being around so many suicidal people does help embolden some and normalize it.

 

[elbjr]

I really didn't mean to cause any deccension here on the site or spark a philosophical debate about its existence. Truth be told, I've been on here for just a few days and I've read so many words I have only thought, and spoken to dead ears. What we all share here are authentic human emotional experiences the world does not want to acknowledge. And I defend the fact that there is value in being understood. We've all traveled to a place you can only know and talk about when you've been there. We all took different methods of transportation, entered this country through a different city, and here we all stand, at the capital. Where to from here? I'm pretty sure nobody here wants to CTB. But what are our options? I'd rather have a chat here with one of you than call Fucking hotline. I'd much rather talk without people trying to rationalize my thoughts with toxic positivity. My experience is authentic, it's real. I don't need someone to talk me out of it. So instead of investing their time in trying to take down SS, they should be investing more time in understanding what brings people here, and keeps them here.

 

[Rational man]

I don't think it is fair to assume that their loved ones were the reason why they ctb'd. And yea I was listening to the radio and they were doing a piece on a movie coming out based on the story of an 18 year old's overdose. The mother found her son dead from an overdose of heroin/fentanyl in his room and said there were no signs of drug use or odd behavior prior to the OD. After lots of therapy she recovered somewhat and was determined to make her son's death not in vain. So she wrote a book which turned into a movie and has organized several campaigns and organizations to help prevent overdoses/opiate abuse. So it seems like a natural human reaction to channel your grief that way.



And yea I agree it is a difficult topic, I imagine a graph that shows ease of access on the x axis and amount of pain/success rate on the y axis. As the x variable (0 = no access to 10 = very easy access) and the y variable (0 = painful / low success, to 10 = painless / 100% success rate) then the amount of suicidal people who ctb would increase at the rate of the slope in the graph below. In an ideal world, I would set it at 10 and 10 but restrict the age to 25-26, possibly 30 with exceptions granted

amazing grapth

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I have just scrolled through my local online news channels and have read different report's of how doctor's and medical consultants have ctb along the coast near me. Each report provides the location, method, assumed reasons and other detail. This information is available to anyone who searches the internetwork. Shutting down forums is like painting over the cracks of a life event that in many cases is poorly understood. Many people who ctb are not impulsive. Many people have made their plans in detail after much deliberation.

Could you please send me links to this info - I'm fascinated by reading about specific incidents where you get to know a bit about the people who CTBd

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Shutting down forums is like painting over the cracks of a life event that in many cases is poorly understood. Many people who ctb are not impulsive. Many people have made their plans in detail after much deliberation.

It doesn't matter that they're painting over the cracks; people in authority have to do something because otherwise how could they justify their positions of authority? And shutting down forums is approximately 100 times easier than acknowledging and addressing the real causes of suicidality.

 

[Klo]

I really didn't mean to cause any deccension here on the site or spark a philosophical debate about its existence. Truth be told, I've been on here for just a few days and I've read so many words I have only thought, and spoken to dead ears. What we all share here are authentic human emotional experiences the world does not want to acknowledge. And I defend the fact that there is value in being understood. We've all traveled to a place you can only know and talk about when you've been there. We all took different methods of transportation, entered this country through a different city, and here we all stand, at the capital. Where to from here? I'm pretty sure nobody here wants to CTB. But what are our options? I'd rather have a chat here with one of you than call Fucking hotline. I'd much rather talk without people trying to rationalize my thoughts with toxic positivity. My experience is authentic, it's real. I don't need someone to talk me out of it. So instead of investing their time in trying to take down SS, they should be investing more time in understanding what brings people here, and keeps them here.

Very true and their absolute refusal to look at the larger issues is an indictment of their whole world view.