I can't emphasize this enough, as it seems that every week there are questions about N, and barbiturates in general.
The advent of benzodiazepines put a huge dent in the actual demand for barbiturates. Because they are significantly safer, doctors all over the world just stopped writing prescriptions for barbiturates, many, many years ago.
This left the only demand for barbiturates as right to die organizations and state governments that still used as much for capital punishment. The mfgs of barbiturates then decided that they didn't like the idea that their products were being used for capital punishment (mostly in the US). The main worldwide supplier of Pentobarbital, Seconal, and Thiopental was in Canada. This left only death with dignity, right to die organizations, as the primary customers, which is a teensy, tiny segment of the market. Considering that mfg equipment must be tied up to produce anywhere near a significant supply, it became unfeasible from a business standpoint to do this.
To make matters even worse, Seconal and Thiopental, which have been used in the past as a general anesthetic before surgery, and which are every bit as effective as Nembutal (Pentobarbital), were replaced by newer, more controllable anesthetics, namely propofol. Propofol has a half-life of something like 5 minutes, so when IV administration is stopped, the patient is revived very quickly.
Propofol is readily available from some countries - the problem is it requires a continuous supply, and if you were to try and administer it IV to yourself you would pass out and lose consciousness before you would be able to inject enough to do the deed. It would require an infusion kit and pump, which, unless you are a Healthcare professional is basically not doable.
From what I was told, and this came from someone who works in pharmaceuticals, even in S. America Pentobarbital is being fased out in favor of powerful tranquilizers that are much easier to source and obtain (referring to the veterinary market for euthanasia). Xylazine and Medetomidine, which is 20x more powerful than Xylazine, are what vets are gravitating towards.
In the US, Xylazine has been used by drug dealers feeling the pinch on worldwide fent supplies being drastically reduced. It is not a scheduled drug in the US, so dealers have generally found it pretty easy to obtain in bulk (by the kg) from China. This has led to a rash of ODs over the last few years. Because of the scrutiny on Xylazine now, dealers have now switched to medetomadine, which is also a large animal tranquilizer (think horses and cattle), but said to be 20x stronger than Xylazine.
Unfortunately, there were only a few major biosynthesis labs in China that were producing not only the tranquilizers, but also most of the world's research chemical supply, ie designer drugs, aka nitazenes and benzo variants. In the US they became wise to this year's ago and introduced the "analog act", which means just because you chemically change a drug to alter it's structure by an insignificant amount does not mean it's a brand new unscheduled substance. I suspect most countries have followed suit (Europe, Asia, etc). That doesn't mean research chemicals are unavailable, indeed, many still are and some that are many times more powerful than standard opioids or benzos like Xanax. But there is no question there is a huge shortage right now, as those Chinese mfgs I mentioned earlier were raided and taken down by the Chinese government just a few months ago.
From what I was told, Poland and some Eastern European countries still are producing some research chems. I was also told that Germany still is mfg'ing Seconal, Pheno and Pentobarbital. I don't know how true this is but I was shown a paper that stated something like 5 million tons of barbiturates were mfg'd in Germany in 2023. My friend has no reason to lie, as he's not trying to sell me anything, but maybe that's where South America is getting their supply of N. No doubt India still mfg's thiopental (aka Sodium Pentothal) but I don't know how legit that is.
As general advice, it's worth repeating that if you see N being advertised for sale, on both Dark Net and Clear Net - IT'S A SCAM. Drug dealers are in business to make money, and supplying people who want a total niche drug to ctb is just not even remotely realistic. Why would anyone risk that? They wouldn't, unless they have the IQ of a snail, and if that's the case, they aren't sourcing such an obscure, obsolete substance in the first place. Especially these Clear Net sites that advertise of just helping people peacefully ctb and offering to source it for you. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME OR YOUR MONEY! These are scams just preying on people. Personally, I hope they burn in hell, but whatever, don't even for a second engage with any of them.
I know I've repeated this info here before, as have many others, but it seems the popularity of PPH brings this question to the forums at least a few times a month.
The advent of benzodiazepines put a huge dent in the actual demand for barbiturates. Because they are significantly safer, doctors all over the world just stopped writing prescriptions for barbiturates, many, many years ago.
This left the only demand for barbiturates as right to die organizations and state governments that still used as much for capital punishment. The mfgs of barbiturates then decided that they didn't like the idea that their products were being used for capital punishment (mostly in the US). The main worldwide supplier of Pentobarbital, Seconal, and Thiopental was in Canada. This left only death with dignity, right to die organizations, as the primary customers, which is a teensy, tiny segment of the market. Considering that mfg equipment must be tied up to produce anywhere near a significant supply, it became unfeasible from a business standpoint to do this.
To make matters even worse, Seconal and Thiopental, which have been used in the past as a general anesthetic before surgery, and which are every bit as effective as Nembutal (Pentobarbital), were replaced by newer, more controllable anesthetics, namely propofol. Propofol has a half-life of something like 5 minutes, so when IV administration is stopped, the patient is revived very quickly.
Propofol is readily available from some countries - the problem is it requires a continuous supply, and if you were to try and administer it IV to yourself you would pass out and lose consciousness before you would be able to inject enough to do the deed. It would require an infusion kit and pump, which, unless you are a Healthcare professional is basically not doable.
From what I was told, and this came from someone who works in pharmaceuticals, even in S. America Pentobarbital is being fased out in favor of powerful tranquilizers that are much easier to source and obtain (referring to the veterinary market for euthanasia). Xylazine and Medetomidine, which is 20x more powerful than Xylazine, are what vets are gravitating towards.
In the US, Xylazine has been used by drug dealers feeling the pinch on worldwide fent supplies being drastically reduced. It is not a scheduled drug in the US, so dealers have generally found it pretty easy to obtain in bulk (by the kg) from China. This has led to a rash of ODs over the last few years. Because of the scrutiny on Xylazine now, dealers have now switched to medetomadine, which is also a large animal tranquilizer (think horses and cattle), but said to be 20x stronger than Xylazine.
Unfortunately, there were only a few major biosynthesis labs in China that were producing not only the tranquilizers, but also most of the world's research chemical supply, ie designer drugs, aka nitazenes and benzo variants. In the US they became wise to this year's ago and introduced the "analog act", which means just because you chemically change a drug to alter it's structure by an insignificant amount does not mean it's a brand new unscheduled substance. I suspect most countries have followed suit (Europe, Asia, etc). That doesn't mean research chemicals are unavailable, indeed, many still are and some that are many times more powerful than standard opioids or benzos like Xanax. But there is no question there is a huge shortage right now, as those Chinese mfgs I mentioned earlier were raided and taken down by the Chinese government just a few months ago.
From what I was told, Poland and some Eastern European countries still are producing some research chems. I was also told that Germany still is mfg'ing Seconal, Pheno and Pentobarbital. I don't know how true this is but I was shown a paper that stated something like 5 million tons of barbiturates were mfg'd in Germany in 2023. My friend has no reason to lie, as he's not trying to sell me anything, but maybe that's where South America is getting their supply of N. No doubt India still mfg's thiopental (aka Sodium Pentothal) but I don't know how legit that is.
As general advice, it's worth repeating that if you see N being advertised for sale, on both Dark Net and Clear Net - IT'S A SCAM. Drug dealers are in business to make money, and supplying people who want a total niche drug to ctb is just not even remotely realistic. Why would anyone risk that? They wouldn't, unless they have the IQ of a snail, and if that's the case, they aren't sourcing such an obscure, obsolete substance in the first place. Especially these Clear Net sites that advertise of just helping people peacefully ctb and offering to source it for you. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME OR YOUR MONEY! These are scams just preying on people. Personally, I hope they burn in hell, but whatever, don't even for a second engage with any of them.
I know I've repeated this info here before, as have many others, but it seems the popularity of PPH brings this question to the forums at least a few times a month.
