Poverty and CTB

[Manfrotto99]

Poverty is the reason behind me catching the bus and I realise it is for many others on here. Many people have to endure abuse either at home or are forced into a shelter or in the Street, where they only endure more abuse. There is no quality of life and ones health suffers as a result. Our society is set up that if your born into wealth it genuinely is passed on and accumulates, but otherwise its almost impossible to get on in this world unless you have some special talent etc. its an ongoing struggle and its lonely too and full of shame. People simply dont like being around poor people and where often shunned and blamed for not being good enough.

I was wondering how many people if any on here consider themselves rich or wealthy? Ie, have or will have money to buy their home, live comfortably, travel if they want, not have to work too hard into retirement in a job they hate, etc

I always think money can buy happiness ie. studies show happiness is tied up in new experiences in life and money can buy that, whether its travelling, a new house or learning new things. I understand money cant always buy ones health so I understand if someone is in pain or has an incurable disease. Otherwise, I just don't understand and am curious to know why or if anyone who is wealthy, would want to ctb?

 

[claracatchingthebus]

it's part of it for me

i had a medical issue that's made life hard, and trying to make the medical issue less bad resulted in it being worse

death would free me from all of this, of course, but i'm not there quite yet, being totally done with life

the fucked up thing is that even though everyone else seems to hate me, i mostly like myself, and i feel like had things gone slightly differently, i could have had a really nice life. part of me is sad and isn't able to totally say goodbye yet to me, as a person, this identity and personality that is me, that I actually think is pretty cool, even when others don't.

financial stuff has made things much harder, but i've probably not been in poverty quite the way you have been. sometimes i think of these things when i am sad and on here: oh, if i had more money, perhaps things would be all better.

but that being said, i'm not starting my own business, trying to be industrious, trying to do something exciting and new in the world, and maybe i could, and then maybe i would make money. and a large part of why is because i am so sad and lonely, and i'm so sad because of being lonely i don't know if i have the pain endurance to continue

at this point i also have a lot of regret and sadness with how i've been treated, some horrible things were done to me, and i feel like i've lost a large part of my life as a result, and just due to bad luck and depression, but mostly like being lonely. so i can't even have the pain-tolerance and energy and fortitude to try to make money.

i don't actually know if people need a special talent to make it in this world. Rent a place, sell great ice cream, make money. Rent a place, sell burgers that are great, make money. Find a random store, sell beer, make money. I know that poverty is so brutal that paying for a place to do these things often isn't possible, and that's what makes it hard for people in severe poverty. If severe poverty is your only major problem, I would hope you try to start at least 1 business before ctbing.

If I were truly wealthy, like had a million dollars, I'm not sure I'd be happy because of the medical issues, but I'd be less nervous. Right now, I am genuinely scared about winding up homeless, especially since my family seems to hate me.

 

[Brew]

I can't imagine anything on my life past november if I don't pass my current job's 90-day experience period.

For most of my 18-up life I've felt like there is no job out there for me, none that would not make me want to kill myself everyday I went to work, and I just can't take living with my family any much longer.

I
can't stand being broke and ashamed of walking outside, seeing my friends, pretty much just being alive. It's like I'm an overgrown beast of a wildflower with its roots suffocated by a teeny tiny pot.

 

[DirtCommie]

Sorry that youre going thorugh this

And yeaa after 30 years of near homelessness(well technically as Im typing this I actually am homeless. Also my mom was homeless when I was born) I am sure that my eternal sadness only stems from living in a condition of eternally dirt broke. I think the studies and video prove me right. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE of my current problems would be solved with just having enough money lol. It has also been found that rates of depression scale with how low your income is too.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.12.04.23299380v1.full ,


I also really like this video because there is a quote that the dude says in the video that goes along the lines of:


"One of the biggest successes of neoliberalism was convincing most people that depression can ONLY result from deranged internal chemical imbalances rather than as normal reaction to external world poverty and shittiness lol. For a lot of ' depressed' people youre probably not even depressed at all ! There is the possibility that your body and brain are just normally reacting to a fucked world where there are some war mongering, greedy , lazy people ( like musk, george bush, ibn mohammad ,modi, trump, etc... ) who have crazy excesses of resources, respect, and wealth. Meanwhile a decent, peaceful , hard worker such as yourself has to scrape by with slave wages and practical homelessness. It is.not that 'CliNiCAl dEpREsSiOn DoesNt ExIst', it clearly does exist, its just that sooome people are having a completely normal depressed reaction to unfair inequities they are beaten up by and see every day...and thats OK. The inequities must be dismantled but their reactions are OK. "


This right here is the quote that I live by↑ There is nothing wrong wuth feeling like youre angry, depressed, hopeless, whatever negative emotion cause of the easily fixable inequities youre surrounded by daily.


There are a dearth of therapists who acknowledge that someone is literally not depressed in clinical terms . Theyre just dirt broke, ostracized and this results in their current sadness....that's it ! lol! I feel that this is by design cause so many therapists would have to acknowledge that " they alone cannot help this depressed person in front of them with clinical methods or drugs but rsther this person can only be helped through systematic changes that gives them human rights that ensure they have access to things to ...well... make them human again . Like a home. And a living wage.And a community that doesnt ostracize them based on how low their income is . And the ability to afford health care or mental health care when they need it. And the ability to afford time off when they need it....That's it!"

 

[shampoo sniffer]

My family is poor, both sides. Both my parents suffered greatly because of poverty. For instance, my dad didn't get his first toothbrush until he was 18. Never had nice things growing up, just hand me downs and other kids' broken, second hand junk.

 

[Manfrotto99]

it's part of it for me

i had a medical issue that's made life hard, and trying to make the medical issue less bad resulted in it being worse

death would free me from all of this, of course, but i'm not there quite yet, being totally done with life

the fucked up thing is that even though everyone else seems to hate me, i mostly like myself, and i feel like had things gone slightly differently, i could have had a really nice life. part of me is sad and isn't able to totally say goodbye yet to me, as a person, this identity and personality that is me, that I actually think is pretty cool, even when others don't.

financial stuff has made things much harder, but i've probably not been in poverty quite the way you have been. sometimes i think of these things when i am sad and on here: oh, if i had more money, perhaps things would be all better.

but that being said, i'm not starting my own business, trying to be industrious, trying to do something exciting and new in the world, and maybe i could, and then maybe i would make money. and a large part of why is because i am so sad and lonely, and i'm so sad because of being lonely i don't know if i have the pain endurance to continue

at this point i also have a lot of regret and sadness with how i've been treated, some horrible things were done to me, and i feel like i've lost a large part of my life as a result, and just due to bad luck and depression, but mostly like being lonely. so i can't even have the pain-tolerance and energy and fortitude to try to make money.

i don't actually know if people need a special talent to make it in this world. Rent a place, sell great ice cream, make money. Rent a place, sell burgers that are great, make money. Find a random store, sell beer, make money. I know that poverty is so brutal that paying for a place to do these things often isn't possible, and that's what makes it hard for people in severe poverty. If severe poverty is your only major problem, I would hope you try to start at least 1 business before ctbing.

If I were truly wealthy, like had a million dollars, I'm not sure I'd be happy because of the medical issues, but I'd be less nervous. Right now, I am genuinely scared about winding up homeless, especially since my family seems to hate me.

I understand if you have a health

I can't imagine anything on my life past november if I don't pass my current job's 90-day experience period.

For most of my 18-up life I've felt like there is no job out there for me, none that would not make me want to kill myself everyday I went to work, and I just can't take living with my family any much longer.

I
can't stand being broke and ashamed of walking outside, seeing my friends, pretty much just being alive. It's like I'm an overgrown beast of a wildflower with its roots suffocated by a teeny tiny pot.

That is very sad that you feel that way at your age. I imagine you don't feel you would be happy in any job because you are depressed, as you say you can't stand living with your family much longer so it would be hard to see beyond that :(

Sorry that youre going thorugh this

And yeaa after 30 years of near homelessness(well technically as Im typing this I actually am homeless. Also my mom was homeless when I was born) I am sure that my eternal sadness only stems from living in a condition of eternally dirt broke. I think the studies and video prove me right. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE of my current problems would be solved with just having enough money lol. It has also been found that rates of depression scale with how low your income is too.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.12.04.23299380v1.full ,


I also really like this video because there is a quote that the dude says in the video that goes along the lines of:


"One of the biggest successes of neoliberalism was convincing most people that depression can ONLY result from deranged internal chemical imbalances rather than as normal reaction to external world poverty and shittiness lol. For a lot of ' depressed' people youre probably not even depressed at all ! There is the possibility that your body and brain are just normally reacting to a fucked world where there are some war mongering, greedy , lazy people ( like musk, george bush, ibn mohammad ,modi, trump, etc... ) who have crazy excesses of resources, respect, and wealth. Meanwhile a decent, peaceful , hard worker such as yourself has to scrape by with slave wages and practical homelessness. It is.not that 'CliNiCAl dEpREsSiOn DoesNt ExIst', it clearly does exist, its just that sooome people are having a completely normal depressed reaction to unfair inequities they are beaten up by and see every day...and thats OK. The inequities must be dismantled but their reactions are OK. "


This right here is the quote that I live by↑ There is nothing wrong wuth feeling like youre angry, depressed, hopeless, whatever negative emotion cause of the easily fixable inequities youre surrounded by daily.


There are a dearth of therapists who acknowledge that someone is literally not depressed in clinical terms . Theyre just dirt broke, ostracized and this results in their current sadness....that's it ! lol! I feel that this is by design cause so many therapists would have to acknowledge that " they alone cannot help this depressed person in front of them with clinical methods or drugs but rsther this person can only be helped through systematic changes that gives them human rights that ensure they have access to things to ...well... make them human again . Like a home. And a living wage.And a community that doesnt ostracize them based on how low their income is . And the ability to afford health care or mental health care when they need it. And the ability to afford time off when they need it....That's it!"

Thanks for the video. I totally agree with it and science is proving more and more that money does equate to happiness, at least in western society, but it's easier for society to blame depression on the individual and not take responsibilty. Apparently it's different in some societies though, because they make up for the lack of money by having tight knit communities and being alone and isolated also equates to depression. Money can have a positive or negative impact on isolation, but that depends on the individual too.

 

[sorrowfullyliving]

Agree, poverty is the main reason that I want to CTB is how expensive living is. Food, shelter, electricity and other basic amenities are quite pricey if you add them all up, and to pay for all of these expenses and still have left offer for savings you need a decent job, most good job require a degree which means going to college to get said degree which means more expenses

 

[Dante_]

There is nothing wrong wuth feeling like youre angry, depressed, hopeless, whatever negative emotion cause of the easily fixable inequities youre surrounded by daily.

Quoted directly from one of the YT comments

"Its hard not to be depressed when the world is so sick"

I feel like that everyday on top of a lot of things. Its absolutely horrible that a lot of what can allow us to be happy, to be more for those than just ourselves is tied to money in some way.

 

[fazzle]

I grew up in poverty and used that as motivation in my youth to work hard and get myself out. Now in my 40s I'm financially wealthy, I own my house, a car, have money in the bank, a pension, really I don't need to work anymore. But none of that has helped me change my mental thought process about not wanting to be here, it gave me a distraction for years, and I've never enjoyed the finances. sure it's made my life easier and the perception most people have on the outside is I'm doing well. Inside I'm torn up, hate how the corporate culture has turned me into a slave and wants to just give it all up. I'm not wealthy in relationships or being a good person. Ironically if and when I do ctb, I have no one to pass all this "wealth" to. The government will tax it to death and anything left will get split to family that won't equate to much. What a waste of working so hard for 25years!

Im sorry for anyone in poverty, I've been there and it's hard. But money unfortunately didn't change my thought process, the outcome for me is the same.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm not exactly wealthy but, inheritance money meant I could study and pursue the (risky creative) career I wanted. I'm under no illusions that it would be so much harder without that. There again, I've known people do financially well in this type of career because they simply had to- they had less of a safety net in terms of family/ financial support.

I do tend to agree though. I think life is so much harder without money. Fewer breaks, opportunities. Less backup to take risks. I think our attitude towards money makes a difference too though. I have a terrible business head. I'd be doing so much better if I reigned in my spending on tools and materials.

Really though- unless you're extremely rich, you'll still have to work. Some of the wealthiest people I know are working extremely hard. If their wealth comes from their job- they need to maintain that job. If they're very well paid, they're probably near the top and that brings with it an awful lot of stress. They may not have all that much job fulfilment necessarily.

Wealthy people may still have experienced trauma too- it doesn't make a person immune. Plus- they've only ever lived their own life. They can't exactly be grateful not to be experiencing extreme poverty because, they haven't experienced it! They have no real reference/ memory of what that's like.

It's a little like saying- does knowing that there are even poorer people than you out there (which there must be) make your life feel easier? I imagine, not- because you're still struggling.

A person can also form a strange relationship with money. I feel a certain amount of guilt around the money I inherited, because it was impressed upon me how 'lucky' I was. So, it isn't always something we might feel outright free to enjoy. Plus, I tend to associate money with death now. I'd rather not have lost 3 close family members by the age of 10 than to receive some of their wealth.

The thing that truly puzzles me more is why very impoverished people choose to have children. To the extent that they may even starve. Why would they do that to a being they are supposed to love?

It also just annoys me generally, that parents don't seem to consider the prospects their child may face, and whether they will likely get the best genes/ financial backup/ location even to face those prospects and do well. Why my parents thought artistic genes were still highly valued in this world is beyond me. But then, I tend to lean towards antinatilism generally.

 

[blacksand]

It's one of my main motivators. I have barely enough to survive living in my parents basement. I can't afford to move out to a city because of distance and expenses. It's depressing seeing the last years of your youth rot away in a tiny town that you loathe and can't escape from. It's even worse having had a taste of being free when I was 18-25 and now being 30 and still stuck here after over 5 years.

I can't afford to do anything except breathe and occasionally work seasonal farm labour.