N lethality

[clawsofperdition]

At what dosage does N become lethal? I know 1-2 bottles are enough but i'm talking theoretically. How is it possible that N had multiple uses for sedation etc in the past but nowadays the smallest dose can be lethal?

 

[Smart No More]

Nothing has changed. The lethality has always been the same. It was prone to accidental oversoses but there are various barbiturates that were used more commonly. The infamous qualude being one. I think another was secobarbitol. You may be mixing up N with barbiturates as a group of meds that N is part of. I've seen examples of pills/preparations that were a combination of synergistic meds and barbiturate dose was only a small part of the preparation. N is lethal at pretty low doses (2g) but the dose in a pill is much lower than that. In fact it would take many many pills to equal a dose like that. (I say that but in honesty I'm not sure of the exact doses of the pills that were available. Just speaking from a point of logic). Also varied physiology in people means lowest lethal dose is not an exact science hence the recommended dose of 10-15g when used in euthanasia. There is someone on the forum that could have answered this question much better than myself but they no longer use the forum so regularly.

 

[clawsofperdition]

Nothing has changed. The lethality has always been the same. It was prone to accidental oversoses but there are a various barbiturates that were used more commonly. The infamous qualude being one. I think another was secobarbitol. You may be mixing up N with barbiturates as a group of meds that N is part of. I've seen examples of pills/preparations that were a combination of synergistic meds and barbiturate dose was only a small part of the preparation. N is lethal at pretty low doses (2g) but the dose in a pill is much lower than that. In fact it would take many many pills to equal a dose like that. (I say that but in honesty I'm not sure of the exact doses of the pills that were available. Just speaking from a point of logic). Also varied physiology in people means lowest lethal dose is not an exact science hence the recommended dose of 10-15g when used in euthanasia. There is someone on the forum that could have answered this question much better than myself but they no longer use the forum so regularly.

Thank you! I was wondering about the pills since that's what i read about. Wondered since I read N can be lethal from 1-2 grams

 

[Smart No More]

Yeah they would be quite low in dose. If you look at any pills you have they're milligrams in denomination usually. I'm trying to think of a pill with a high dose coming anywhere near 1g. The highest millegram pill I can think of off the top of my head right now is acetaminophen at 500mg. I guess some antibiotics might be higher. But yeah, nowhere near the one gramme mark. There are pics around the net of barbiturate preparations. You could google that if you want to find out specifics. A member used to post barbiturate facts on their profile and there were some good little gems of info there but since the NYC article and subsequent interest in the site/forum from prying eyes they've made their profile private and removed the ability to post on it. Bit of shame really.

I read about how 10% of cases took longer than an hour or two before death occurred.... in some extreme cases it took up to 48 hours!

One person woke up 72 hours later, I don't know how worried I should be of something like that happening.

What were the doses taken?

Somebody taking 10g+ of N isn't going to wake up that quickly under any circumstances.

Things that prolong the time it takes are digestive issues and certain types of psych meds like SSRI's. They are said to potentially prolongue the coma phase but don't necessarily negate the lethality. It's also said that there are issues with opiods as they slow gastric transit too. Many people taking opiods have apparently passed on with the use of N though. It is scary to consider the possibility of failure and the consequences of it though. I've had the same concerns myself as I have digestive issues and use opiod medications. It seems that in my case Meto would help counter balance my issues.

 

[Theanswer]

I plan on taking two bottles of N but wondering if I should have three. I'm F, 180+ pounds, 5'4". Seems two bottles, equaling a bit over 12 grams, possibly won't be enough and I should go with three. But I guess then there might be the difficulty of keeping all of it down? Not sure. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Also, I have type 1 diabetes, insulin. I'm thinking I better be very well set up with my glucose levels so they don't crash after I dose because I suspect I would trash around when in severely low blood sugar even with N in my system? Wouldn't want anyone to hear that. Plan on being in a hotel but still. Any advice on this, too, would be appreciated.

 

[The_Flying_Fox]

I plan on taking two bottles of N but wondering if I should have three. I'm F, 180+ pounds, 5'4". Seems two bottles, equaling a bit over 12 grams, possibly won't be enough and I should go with three. But I guess then there might be the difficulty of keeping all of it down? Not sure. Any thoughts? Thanks.

I'm not an expert, but I don't see any reason why 2 bottles wouldn't be enough for you. Why do you think they might not be enough?

 

[Theanswer]

I'm not an expert, but I don't see any reason why 2 bottles wouldn't be enough for you. Why do you think they might not be enough?

Because of my weight and the fact that I abuse alcohol (drink a lot when I drink) so liver is an issue from what I've read.

 

[The_Flying_Fox]

Because of my weight and the fact that I abuse alcohol (drink a lot when I drink) so liver is an issue from what I've read.

I really don't think your weight is a problem in this respect. As for the alcohol abuse: I think 2 bottles will still be enough,

 

[Ta555]

Because of my weight and the fact that I abuse alcohol (drink a lot when I drink) so liver is an issue from what I've read.

Agree with the other poster. Two bottles should be more than enough even with your weight.

 

[Riddle]

Agree with the other poster. Two bottles should be more than enough even with your weight.

Plus, the more you N you drink might increase the chance of vomiting

 

[Sunset Limited]

7 grams of pentobarbital will kill an average person. This dose is more than 3 times the total dose taken by even a pentobarbital addict in one day. If even a pentobarbital addict accidentally OD with about 2 grams, how can the average person survive with 7 grams? You trust a method because it is very likely to kill you. Not because it offers a guarantee.