Method My suicide plan

[Hangman.]

I am sharing my plan here in hopes of receiving constructive criticism to improve it. Any help with information regarding my misunderstanding and inaccuracies is greatly appreciated as I will ask some questions that came up in my mind.

After a lot of thinking, I have decided to hang myself because my options for suicide methods are limited.

In the categories of hanging:
(i) Partial suspension, (ii) Full suspension, (iii) Drop
Full suspension seems to be the best option for me. After hearing various negative stories about partial, I am comfortable discarding the idea of partial suspension. Drop hanging where we aim to fracture c2 vertebrae needs precise calculations and is deeply unreliable and unpredictable. These factors, combined with my circumstances and preferences, makes this category unfavorable. That's why I am sticking to full suspension for now.

Type of rope:

My plan will be conducted after a few months. For that reason I don't have lists of specific ropes roaming in my mind. This will vary in the future. As for the characteristics, I have settled on Double Braided Static Polyester (10 mm). I prefer the width in the range of 10-12.5 mm and decided to choose the lowest in this range, 10 mm, since I am underweight. My choice of this range is for the reason that it is recommended by many researchers here and feels like a sensible option. This is the main thing I am not 100% certain about, so feel free to drop your own thoughts about the best width/what you have already chosen for your ctb. As for the material, polyester is in my favor because all the other options are either extremely costly or inferior to polyester for this method. Nylon is brought up many times in this forum and is a fair competitor to polyester. Nevertheless, I did not choose it because of its flexibility, which is discouraged in full suspension.

Type of knot:

Choosing which type of knot to use is not a hassle. Anything which is strong and constricts when pressure is exerted on the knot will do the job well. Out of all the choices I have, I think the optimal option will be to use a noose knot for the neck and a figure-eight follow-through knot combined with a stopper knot for the anchor point.

Placement of the knot:

At the occipital area. In my opinion, this is a simple and obvious choice. I want to put balanced and maximum pressure on the front of my neck to block carotid arteries properly.

Placement of the noose:

Out of all the positions, the area between the hyoid bone and the mandible seems the most vulnerable to me. It is not covered with strong tissue nor cartilage while containing an extremely critical structure packed in a small place. And most importantly, it is where the carotid sinus is located. (Carotid sinus is the place where carotid arteries divide into internal and external carotid arteries)

Anchor point:

I have a window grill installed inside my room which is supported by a concrete wall. This will obviously hold my weight with ease and because of this, I don't have to worry about going outside and finding a strong branch to hang on to.

A few questions of mine:

• I am going to stuff my mouth with a cloth to prevent my family from seeing that gross swelling in my mouth.
Are there any problematic side effects to this which will negatively affect my hanging?

• Is adding some external heavy objects on my body to increase the tension of the rope a good idea?

• In the section about hanging on the suicide wiki, my approach to the position of the noose is discouraged, and I am quite confused because, in my perspective this should be a sensible choice to reduce more pain and get unconscious quickly in comparison to other positions. Am I overlooking a vital detail here or is the research from wiki outdated?

 

[Hangman.]

Thanks to @JesiBel and @Evelyn Lane for sharing their knowledge, which made this possible.

 

[JesiBel]

I agree, of the three hanging categories, I would choose Full Suspension. By using your entire body weight, you won't need to worry about choosing a suitable body position where you exert more pressure. And since the body is no longer in contact with the ground, there is no going back.

A 10 mm braided static polyester rope it's a good option. For more flexibility and easier knot tying, look for a rope without an internal core. (For example, Kernmantle ropes are usually stiff, they wouldn't be a good choice)
The surface of synthetic and braided (not twisted) ropes is smooth and facilitates the sliding of the self-tightening knot.

For the ligature knot, the simplest is the Arbor Knot; it slides well and has a knot at the free end, which makes it more secure. Behind the neck, in the center, it is well located.

Regarding the anchor point (window grill), always remember to test it. Even if it seems firm and strong, it's always best to be sure. You can tie the rope to it and try hanging from it with your hands and swinging a little; everything should stay in place without deforming, breaking, or making strange noises when it is supporting your weight. For knots at the anchor point you can consider: Anchor hitch knot, Bowline knot (remember to always add a stopper knot to the free end; it will make them even more secure)

To avoid shocking your family, perhaps you could use a cloth face mask, like the ones seen during the pandemic. It will cover almost half of the face, and will not allow the protruding tongue or saliva to be seen, which sometimes happens in cases of hanging.

Adding some external heavy objects on the body to increase the tension of the rope.. I don't see it as necessary; even young girls with small body structure have successfully CTB. I read that you were underweight, but... is it "extreme"? You know, many people here also have eating disorders.

Regarding the position of the ligature (rope), it goes under the jaw. More or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence).
The knot behind the neck in the center will cause the tension to concentrate on the front of the neck.
With the help of the self-tightening knot, the rope will penetrate deep into the neck because your suspended body is being pulled downwards by gravity. The Arbor Knot will be firmly and steadily compressing the arteries, veins, and airway. It will encircle your entire neck evenly, exerting continuous pressure.

In these threads I had attached some photos of the ligature position in real cases:

Spoiler

(Warning: Explicit content)

Self-tightening knot (hanging forensic photos) vs Fixed knot, carotid arteries, ligature position, pre-adjusting the ligature around the neck

Compression of the ligature positioned under the jaw + Self-tightening knot (forensic photo), pressure

Ligature position, drawing + forensic photo showing the neck furrow from rope

Ligature position + reference drawing with neck anatomy

 

[IwantHappiness]

I agree, of the three hanging categories, I would choose Full Suspension. By using your entire body weight, you won't need to worry about choosing a suitable body position where you exert more pressure. And since the body is no longer in contact with the ground, there is no going back.

A 10 mm braided static polyester rope it's a good option. For more flexibility and easier knot tying, look for a rope without an internal core. (For example, Kernmantle ropes are usually stiff, they wouldn't be a good choice)
The surface of synthetic and braided (not twisted) ropes is smooth and facilitates the sliding of the self-tightening knot.

For the ligature knot, the simplest is the Arbor Knot; it slides well and has a knot at the free end, which makes it more secure. Behind the neck, in the center, it is well located.

Regarding the anchor point (window grill), always remember to test it. Even if it seems firm and strong, it's always best to be sure. You can tie the rope to it and try hanging from it with your hands and swinging a little; everything should stay in place without deforming, breaking, or making strange noises when it is supporting your weight. For knots at the anchor point you can consider: Anchor hitch knot, Bowline knot (remember to always add a stopper knot to the free end; it will make them even more secure)

To avoid shocking your family, perhaps you could use a cloth face mask, like the ones seen during the pandemic. It will cover almost half of the face, and will not allow the protruding tongue or saliva to be seen, which sometimes happens in cases of hanging.

Adding some external heavy objects on the body to increase the tension of the rope.. I don't see it as necessary; even young girls with small body structure have successfully CTB. I read that you were underweight, but... is it "extreme"? You know, many people here also have eating disorders.

Regarding the position of the ligature (rope), it goes under the jaw. More or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence).
The knot behind the neck in the center will cause the tension to concentrate on the front of the neck.
With the help of the self-tightening knot, the rope will penetrate deep into the neck because your suspended body is being pulled downwards by gravity. The Arbor Knot will be firmly and steadily compressing the arteries, veins, and airway. It will encircle your entire neck evenly, exerting continuous pressure.

In these threads I had attached some photos of the ligature position in real cases:

Spoiler

(Warning: Explicit content)

Self-tightening knot (hanging forensic photos) vs Fixed knot, carotid arteries, ligature position, pre-adjusting the ligature around the neck

Compression of the ligature positioned under the jaw + Self-tightening knot (forensic photo), pressure

Ligature position, drawing + forensic photo showing the neck furrow from rope

Ligature position + reference drawing with neck anatomy

Hi, in full suspension hanging, if the anchor point breaks after four minutes, what happens? Ty

 

[JesiBel]

Hi, in full suspension hanging, if the anchor point breaks after four minutes, what happens? Ty

The longer the brain is without oxygen, the greater the damage.

Although most of the people who have been saved quickly have been able to recover, and they not suffered permanent damage; the best thing would be to have everything under control. Always make sure to test your anchor point and rope. And be completely alone at the location when attempting.

After 10 minutes it would be a critical time if they were to find us or something in the setup breaks, but we can't "play" with the possibilities.

We need at least 30 minutes to ensure there are no chances of survival or salvation.

Spoiler: Some threads with information

Brief summary about brain oxygen deprivation and death

Mistakes in the Hanging method

Differences between: Brain damage and Brain death (in this thread we analyze some cases of survivors, it's quite long..)

 

[AreWeWinning]

I am sharing my plan here in hopes of receiving constructive criticism to improve it. Any help with information regarding my misunderstanding and inaccuracies is greatly appreciated as I will ask some questions that came up in my mind.

After a lot of thinking, I have decided to hang myself because my options for suicide methods are limited.

In the categories of hanging:
(i) Partial suspension, (ii) Full suspension, (iii) Drop
Full suspension seems to be the best option for me. After hearing various negative stories about partial, I am comfortable discarding the idea of partial suspension. Drop hanging where we aim to fracture c2 vertebrae needs precise calculations and is deeply unreliable and unpredictable. These factors, combined with my circumstances and preferences, makes this category unfavorable. That's why I am sticking to full suspension for now.

Type of rope:

My plan will be conducted after a few months. For that reason I don't have lists of specific ropes roaming in my mind. This will vary in the future. As for the characteristics, I have settled on Double Braided Static Polyester (10 mm). I prefer the width in the range of 10-12.5 mm and decided to choose the lowest in this range, 10 mm, since I am underweight. My choice of this range is for the reason that it is recommended by many researchers here and feels like a sensible option. This is the main thing I am not 100% certain about, so feel free to drop your own thoughts about the best width/what you have already chosen for your ctb. As for the material, polyester is in my favor because all the other options are either extremely costly or inferior to polyester for this method. Nylon is brought up many times in this forum and is a fair competitor to polyester. Nevertheless, I did not choose it because of its flexibility, which is discouraged in full suspension.

Type of knot:

Choosing which type of knot to use is not a hassle. Anything which is strong and constricts when pressure is exerted on the knot will do the job well. Out of all the choices I have, I think the optimal option will be to use a noose knot for the neck and a figure-eight follow-through knot combined with a stopper knot for the anchor point.

Placement of the knot:

At the occipital area. In my opinion, this is a simple and obvious choice. I want to put balanced and maximum pressure on the front of my neck to block carotid arteries properly.

Placement of the noose:

Out of all the positions, the area between the hyoid bone and the mandible seems the most vulnerable to me. It is not covered with strong tissue nor cartilage while containing an extremely critical structure packed in a small place. And most importantly, it is where the carotid sinus is located. (Carotid sinus is the place where carotid arteries divide into internal and external carotid arteries)

Anchor point:

I have a window grill installed inside my room which is supported by a concrete wall. This will obviously hold my weight with ease and because of this, I don't have to worry about going outside and finding a strong branch to hang on to.

It looks like you already have a very good understanding of the method. @JesiBel also commented on a lot of things, and I agree with the things she said.

A few questions of mine:

• I am going to stuff my mouth with a cloth to prevent my family from seeing that gross swelling in my mouth.
Are there any problematic side effects to this which will negatively affect my hanging?

• Is adding some external heavy objects on my body to increase the tension of the rope a good idea?

• In the section about hanging on the suicide wiki, my approach to the position of the noose is discouraged, and I am quite confused because, in my perspective this should be a sensible choice to reduce more pain and get unconscious quickly in comparison to other positions. Am I overlooking a vital detail here or is the research from wiki outdated?

I don't think that putting a piece of cloth in your mouth would cause any problems, but simply covering your face or head with something is also an option.

Adding extra weight to pull you down is unnecessary in my opinion. I've never heard of this, and wouldn't consider it.

Regarding rope position, I also think it's best to position it at the top, below the jawline. Some people might find it easier to pass out if they position it lower. Everyone is different. However, I still think it's best to position it at the top, for the following reasons:

• It'll most probably slide up anyway. There's a study that says the rope is positioned at the top in 98% of the cases when the victim is found. (Tulapunt et al., 2017.) This means that either that's the most effective position, or it always slides up, regardless of how it's positioned initially.
• If you position it lower, it can press on your windpipe (trachea) or your Adam's apple (thyroid cartilage), which can be very painful. You might not feel this when you're just testing, but you will during an actual attempt, when the ligature will pull on your neck with more force and crush your windpipe. Note that there is no windpipe above your Adam's apple – it's just your throat and the Hyoid bone there. It can still be uncomfortable if you press on that area, but less so than pressing on the windpipe or your Adam's apple. At least, that's the theory.

So if you find that it works better for you if you position the rope higher, then do that. You're not making a mistake. Personally, I find that it is what works best for me too – I can pass out easily when testing.

I've checked the Suicide Wiki, and I disagree with what it says. I do not think that positioning the noose blow the Adam's apple is a good idea. But then again, opinions vary.

 

[Hangman.]

I agree, of the three hanging categories, I would choose Full Suspension. By using your entire body weight, you won't need to worry about choosing a suitable body position where you exert more pressure. And since the body is no longer in contact with the ground, there is no going back.

A 10 mm braided static polyester rope it's a good option. For more flexibility and easier knot tying, look for a rope without an internal core. (For example, Kernmantle ropes are usually stiff, they wouldn't be a good choice)

I would make sure to avoid Kernmantle since, as you have specified, it would make tying a lot harder.
One thing I was wondering for some time was landing upon a conclusion to choose between single and double braided rope. Both share their own advantages, example: single braided is better at tying knots whereas double supports more strength and the ability to slide more smoothly, which is essential for constricting knots.
What's your opinion on which is superior in between these two for full suspension hanging? I know I am complicating simple stuff because this will not have that much effect, but having these small details helps complete the whole picture.

Regarding the anchor point (window grill), always remember to test it. Even if it seems firm and strong, it's always best to be sure. You can tie the rope to it and try hanging from it with your hands and swinging a little; everything should stay in place without deforming, breaking, or making strange noises when it is supporting your weight.

Yes, I have tested my window grill multiple times to test its durability, and it is pretty promising and reliable.

To avoid shocking your family, perhaps you could use a cloth face mask, like the ones seen during the pandemic. It will cover almost half of the face, and will not allow the protruding tongue or saliva to be seen, which sometimes happens in cases of hanging.

Wearing a mask sounds like a good option. I just have to make sure it is extremely hard to open because the first thing my family will probably do is to cut my noose and remove the mask.

Adding some external heavy objects on the body to increase the tension of the rope.. I don't see it as necessary; even young girls with small body structure have successfully CTB. I read that you were underweight, but... is it "extreme"? You know, many people here also have eating disorders.

I don't have severe eating disorders and my weight is not extreme. I was just ruling out possibilities. Great to know this doesn't matter much in this situation.

A 10 mm braided static polyester rope it's a good option. The surface of synthetic and braided (not twisted) ropes is smooth and facilitates the sliding of the self-tightening knot.
For the ligature knot, the simplest is the Arbor Knot; it slides well and has a knot at the free end, which makes it more secure. Behind the neck, in the center, it is well located.
The Arbor Knot will be firmly and steadily compressing the arteries, veins, and airway. It will encircle your entire neck evenly, exerting continuous pressure. For knots at the anchor point you can consider: Anchor hitch knot, Bowline knot (remember to always add a stopper knot to the free end; it will make them even more secure)

I would like to ask you, what in your opinion is the ideal type of rope for full suspension. I would be pleased to know your reasoning for why the rope you have chosen is preferable than other options.
Also, why do you think the arbor knot for neck and anchor hitch/bowline knot for anchor point are the best choices in this situation?

Thanks a lot for giving me more insight about this. Your kindness is beyond anything I could have imagined.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Make sure that you are not able to stand on your feet after stepping of the stool. This means, your stool, platform or ladder should have sufficient height. A drop of about 20 cm is inevitable due to the constrition of the noose. In case of a standard stool, you should take the slack out of the rope before you stepp off. You can for example put the noose first taut around your neck and fix it at the anchorpiont later or the other way round.
And of course test the strength of your set up before you hang to death.

 

[JesiBel]

I would make sure to avoid Kernmantle since, as you have specified, it would make tying a lot harder.
One thing I was wondering for some time was landing upon a conclusion to choose between single and double braided rope. Both share their own advantages, example: single braided is better at tying knots whereas double supports more strength and the ability to slide more smoothly, which is essential for constricting knots.
What's your opinion on which is superior in between these two for full suspension hanging? I know I am complicating simple stuff because this will not have that much effect, but having these small details helps complete the whole picture.

Yes, I have tested my window grill multiple times to test its durability, and it is pretty promising and reliable.

Wearing a mask sounds like a good option. I just have to make sure it is extremely hard to open because the first thing my family will probably do is to cut my noose and remove the mask.

I don't have severe eating disorders and my weight is not extreme. I was just ruling out possibilities. Great to know this doesn't matter much in this situation.

I would like to ask you, what in your opinion is the ideal type of rope for full suspension. I would be pleased to know your reasoning for why the rope you have chosen is preferable than other options.
Also, why do you think the arbor knot for neck and anchor hitch/bowline knot for anchor point are the best choices in this situation?

Thanks a lot for giving me more insight about this. Your kindness is beyond anything I could have imagined.

My rope is single braided. It's more flexible and easier to handle when tying knots. You can even flatten it without much difficulty (for example, if you were using a door as an anchor point).

It is also made of a synthetic material (polypropylene) and its surface is soft and smooth, which makes it easier for the self-tightening knot of the ligature to close without getting stuck.

Both materials, polyester and polypropylene, are strong so they are a good option. Between 10 and 14 mm is a good thickness, neither too thin (it will be more painful) nor too thick (difficult to tie knots and won't penetrate the neck well, the carotid arteries are deeper and not superficial in the skin).

This video is very interesting and compares single and double braided ropes:



The thickness and material of your rope are fine; if you still have doubts, you can always check the WLL of your rope to be more reassured (it's printed on the label).

Differences between Breaking Load/ Ultimate Load/ Breaking-Tensile Strength & Working Load Limit (WLL)

The Arbor Knot performs its function of tightening itself when weight is added. It's simple, slides freely (without getting stuck) and grips/constricts tightly. At its free end it has an overhand knot (acts as a stopper) that makes it more secure, preventing it from coming undone.
Using it for the ligature will provide total compression on the neck, without leaving free/empty spaces (as happens with fixed knots), maintaining uniform pressure, the hanging body applying weight will cause the Arbor Knot to tighten to the maximum penetrating the neck deeply.

About the knots for the anchor point, the Anchor Hitch Knot and the Bowline Knot, both are strong and reliable. At its free end you can add a stopper knot (for example an overhand knot) for extra security.
Of the two, I prefer the Anchor Hitch Knot for attaching the rope to a fixed object, it holds firm and it's more robust and grips much better (also it can be difficult to untie -jamming- after being under tension/loads) than the Bowline Knot.