maybe you should stop saying that a method is 100% safe.

[Insomniac]

no method is. People have survived falls from unbelievable heights and gunshots to the head. there is always a possibility of things going terribly wrong and you ending up paralyzed and a vegetable.

however, as a suicidal person, I'm not really concerned with the risks because staying alive is a bigger risk for me.

 

[Red Scare]

No method of suicide is safe, they are all intended to be lethal.

A high dose of N or opiates is going to be lethal 100% of the time. And it's probably the most peaceful way to go. As long as you don't throw up (provided it was orally administered and not IV), and aren't found, it will be lethal every time.

 

[thedaywillcome]

Who said that?

 

[sandalphon]

Literally no one is saying that.

 

[Someone123]

Some people say this about Sn, and it does seem pretty close to this, though of course no method is 100%- in every case I have read on here, thouch, people have fully recovered when ctb has failed.

 

[Insomniac]

Who said that?

every sn thread ever.

Literally no one is saying that.

oh really? shit. my bad then

Some people say this about Sn, and it does seem pretty close to this, though of course no method is 100%- in every case I have read on here, thouch, people have fully recovered when ctb has failed.

Idk why people constantly insist under SN threads that it won't lead to brain damage or any other health issues provided how little study there is about it. Sure, there are reports available online but this is just not enough to agressively guarantee something like that.

 

[thedaywillcome]

Not even N methode.

 

[Someone123]

Idk why people constantly insist under SN threads that it won't lead to brain damage or any other health issues provided how little study there is about it. Sure, there are reports available online but this is just not enough to agressively guarantee something like that.

Yes there is no proof of this, just "anecdotal evidence" which is how most evidence starts- people's individual experiences. It is worth it to consider what happens if an attempt fails, because it often takes more than one attempt to succeed. Failures by gunshot wounds seem to be the worst, followed by possibly failures by train.

 

[Judy Garland]

Every SN post I've read is yet again another failure where someone threw up and passed out. I'm getting tired of those threads. SN was under fire for a few days this week, painful experiences started popping up all over the place. I'm SN'ed out. Whatever it does when I take it, I hope it kills me.

 

[Someone123]

Every SN post I've read is yet again another failure where someone threw up and passed out. I'm getting tired of those threads. SN was under fire for a few days this week, painful experiences started popping up all over the place. I'm SN'ed out. Whatever it does when I take it, I hope it kills me.

I've seen quite a few threads where people sai dthey were taking sn soon, or that they just took it a little while ago, and these people haven't been heard from again, though it's true that I've also seen quite q few the other way, where they later say they got sick and it didn't work- but in these cases they have been ok after a few days and they could try again.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I've seen quite a few threads where people sai dthey were taking sn soon, or that they just took it a little while ago, and these people haven't been heard from again, though it's true that I've also seen quite q few the other way, where they later say they got sick and it didn't work- but in these cases they have been ok after a few days and they could try again.

It's also possible that they are never seen again, not because they died, but because they survived too brain-damaged to use the internet any more. Do I think this is happening commonly? No. But there's simply no way for people in the forum to say for certain that it is NOT happening. There is a saying, "Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence."

 

[Sunset Limited]

Waiting for natural death is 100% safe.

 

[Someone123]

It's also possible that they are never seen again, not because they died, but because they survived too brain-damaged to use the internet any more. Do I think this is happening commonly? No. But there's simply no way for people in the forum to say for certain that it is NOT happening. There is a saying, "Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence."

Of course this is possible with all methods- if you don't quite make it but almost make it- but if this was happening commonly would this information get out somehow? The people who want to take this site down, who keep doing whatever they can to restrict access to Sn, would likely at some point get stories in the media about cases like this as soon and as widespread as they could- the fact that no stories seem to have come out like this makes it seem like this must be a very unlikely thing to be happening.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Of course this is possible with all methods- if you don't quite make it but almost make it- but if this was happening commonly would this information get out somehow? The people who want to take this site down, who keep doing whatever they can to restrict access to Sn, would likely at some point get stories in the media about cases like this as soon and as widespread as they could- the fact that no stories seem to have come out like this makes it seem like this must be a very unlikely thing to be happening.

Like I said, I don't think it IS happening commonly. But given that the mechanism of action is HYPOXIA, it cannot be fully ruled out that an unfortunately timed rescue could leave a person alive but very damaged.

I think the way the info would get out is that someone would publish a case report in a journal. I also think that there's no guarantee that a case report WOULD be published because the person's care would take place across multiple facilities. The emergency doctor who saved the person wouldn't necessarily even know that they ended up permanently brain damaged. Certainly there are not a lot of families going to the press concerning their loved ones' suicides or survived suicide attempts. Most try to keep it secret.

Of course this is just my own conclusion! I will also say that I think a person who has immediate regrets after drinking it and seeks help right away is far less likely to have an hypoxic brain injury or other permanent damage, but existing health problems, age, how fast help arrived, and whether the facility had methylene blue and knew to use it would all play a role. That's my opinion: if someone decides on their own that they do want to live after all, then it's worth a try.

 

[Someone123]

Like I said, I don't think it IS happening commonly. But given that the mechanism of action is HYPOXIA, it cannot be fully ruled out that an unfortunately timed rescue could leave a person alive but very damaged.

I think the way the info would get out is that someone would publish a case report in a journal. I also think that there's no guarantee that a case report WOULD be published because the person's care would take place across multiple facilities. The emergency doctor who saved the person wouldn't necessarily even know that they ended up permanently brain damaged. Certainly there are not a lot of families going to the press concerning their loved ones' suicides or survived suicide attempts. Most try to keep it secret.

Of course this is just my own conclusion! I will also say that I think a person who has immediate regrets after drinking it and seeks help right away is far less likely to have an hypoxic brain injury or other permanent damage, but existing health problems, age, how fast help arrived, and whether the facility had methylene blue and knew to use it would all play a role. That's my opinion: if someone decides on their own that they do want to live after all, then it's worth a try.

Your thoughts on this are interesting. I do know that I have seen articles and videos of people who have survived other methods- by gun, by train, and by jumping at least, so somehow this information gets out. There are lots of videos about this on youtube from various sources- Ted Talks, CNN, health websites such as Covenant Health, the Today Show, Buzzfeed, CBS News, HBO, and many other news outlets and many other youtube channels- so this information gets out by many different means. So if this information is known and it becomes a recurring result this information will get out somehow.

 

[odradek]

maybe

 

[Shu]

There have been people who called Emergency Services 3 hours after ingesting SN and they are fine today. How do you say I guess a lot of factors come into play the persons health how much they ingested etc. No need for me to worry because I won't be surviving it.

 

[Cathy Ames]

There have been people who called Emergency Services 3 hours after ingesting SN and they are fine today. How do you say I guess a lot of factors come into play the persons health how much they ingested etc. No need for me to worry because I won't be surviving it.

How can I say it? First of all, I didn't state it as a fact. It was my speculation, right?

Think about it. We also see accounts of people surviving getting hit by lightening. But that sure doesn't mean that every single person hit by lightening will definitely survive. We don't tell people not to worry about lightening, not to try to avoid getting hit by lightening.

Also, it's logical that someone whose body function is ALREADY suboptimal might be adversely affected to a greater extent--for example, someone with heart disease. A lot of over the counter medications have cautionary language about specific people who might want to consult a doctor before taking it.

Also, there's a person on this forum who survived and then had kidney pain and difficulty urinating. There is another person who had a worsening of a pre-existing arrhythmia (possibly due to the methylene blue, not the SN, but what's the difference?). There's another person who perceives that their cognitive abilities may have been lessened. I think it's a little weird that you don't give these accounts equal weight as the those of the damage-free people.

 

[Someone123]

Also, there's a person on this forum who survived and then had kidney pain and difficulty urinating. There is another person who had a worsening of a pre-existing arrhythmia (possibly due to the methylene blue, not the SN, but what's the difference?). There's another person who perceives that their cognitive abilities may have been lessened. I think it's a little weird that you don't give these accounts equal weight as the those of the damage-free people.

This is interesting information- I have not seen these posts yet, but it does make sense that from a deadly poison if it didn't work for ctb that there could be lasting damage.