Manifesto for a Post-Materialist Science

[greyhound]

Just came across this, pretty interesting I think and if correct has profound implications for CTB:

The Manifesto for a Post-Materialist Science - OpenSciences.org

opensciences.org

 

[StringPuppet]

I used to have a strictly materialist worldview but recently I've been reading stuff like this that suggests there is more to reality than what we immediately perceive. Honestly I think death either leading to total oblivion, or returning to some higher-dimensional grand consciousness, are both fine outcomes. Anything is better than life on this shitty Earth.

 

[Efilismislife]

Interesting as its talking bout death, NDE, and all the supernatural from science standpoint.

And there are so many scientists agree to it

I wonder why theres still so many people look down to it. Ill still keep an open mind since this puzzle hasnt fully solved yet
And science still progressing and will always keep progressing

I think its better if you quote a few of the key points especially about NDE. since its buried at the bottom of the page and not many people will patient enough to read it.

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Anyway things that i find intereating is this:

Conscious mental activity can be experienced in clinical death during a cardiac arrest. It is noteworthy that the electrical activity of the brain ceases within a few seconds following a cardiac arrest. Some NDErs have reported veridical out-of-body perceptions (i.e. perceptions that can be proven to coincide with reality) that occurred during cardiac arrest. NDErs also report profound spiritual experiences during NDEs triggered by cardiac arrest.

NDEs in cardiac arrest suggest that the brain acts as a transceiver of mental activity, i.e. the mind can work through the brain, but is not produced by it. NDEs occurring in cardiac arrest, coupled with evidence from research mediums, further suggest the survival of consciousness, following bodily death, and the existence of other levels of reality that are non-physical.

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Moreover, materialist theories fail to elucidate how brain could generate the mind, and they are unable to account for the empirical evidence alluded to in this manifesto. This failure tells us that it is now time to free ourselves from the shackles and blinders of the old materialist ideology, to enlarge our concept of the natural world, and to embrace a post-materialist paradigm.

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At the end of the 19th century, physicists discovered empirical phenomena that could not be explained by classical physics.
This led to the development of a revolutionary new branch of physics called Quantum Mechanics.

QM has questioned the material foundations of the world by showing that atoms and subatomic particles are not really solid objects—they do not exist with certainty at definite spatial locations and definite times. Most importantly, QM explicitly introduced the mind into its basic conceptual structure since it was found that particles being observed and the observer—the physicist and the method used for observation—are linked.
According to one interpretation of QM, this phenomenon implies that the consciousness of the observer is vital to the existence of the physical events being observed, and that mental events can affect the physical world. The results of recent experiments support this interpretation. These results suggest that the physical world is no longer the primary or sole component of reality, and that it cannot be fully understood without making reference to the mind.

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Studies of the so-called "psi phenomena" indicate that we can sometimes receive meaningful information without the use of ordinary senses, and in ways that transcend the habitual space and time constraints. Furthermore, psi research demonstrates that we can mentally influence—at a distance—physical devices and living organisms (including other human beings). Psi research also shows that distant minds may behave in ways that are nonlocally correlated, i.e. the correlations between distant minds are hypothesized to be unmediated (they are not linked to any known energetic signal), unmitigated (they do not degrade with increasing distance), and immediate (they appear to be simultaneous). These events are so common that they cannot be viewed as anomalous nor as exceptions to natural laws, but as indications of the need for a broader explanatory framework that cannot be predicated exclusively on materialism.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

Just came across this, pretty interesting I think and if correct has profound implications for CTB:

The Manifesto for a Post-Materialist Science - OpenSciences.org

opensciences.org

Just wait until people realise the full implications of the Pentagon's UFO report.

 

[Meditation guide]

We have Buddhist monks meeting with physicists since more recent discoveries in physics open up an expanded awareness. How remarkable it is to see science coming into agreement with a religion about the nature of reality.

If the mind, or more correctly consciousness, can influence what we call reality, what else is going on here? Does it really seem to impossible that we are a collective consciousness constantly creating all this, including shedding our bodies and yeeting into new ones as they emerge?

 

[greyhound]

Interesting as its talking bout death, NDE, and all the supernatural from science standpoint.

And there are so many scientists agree to it

I wonder why theres still so many people look down to it. Ill still keep an open mind since this puzzle hasnt fully solved yet
And science still progressing and will always keep progressing

I think its better if you quote a few of the key points especially about NDE. since its buried at the bottom of the page and not many people will patient enough to read it.

Anyway things that i find intereating is this:

Conscious mental activity can be experienced in clinical death during a cardiac arrest. It is noteworthy that the electrical activity of the brain ceases within a few seconds following a cardiac arrest. Some NDErs have reported veridical out-of-body perceptions (i.e. perceptions that can be proven to coincide with reality) that occurred during cardiac arrest. NDErs also report profound spiritual experiences during NDEs triggered by cardiac arrest.

NDEs in cardiac arrest suggest that the brain acts as a transceiver of mental activity, i.e. the mind can work through the brain, but is not produced by it. NDEs occurring in cardiac arrest, coupled with evidence from research mediums, further suggest the survival of consciousness, following bodily death, and the existence of other levels of reality that are non-physical.

Yeah I knew that some groups of scientists were amenable to non-materialist claims but to have so many signatories on a document/manifesto that is as bold as this is amazing to me.

I like that you added sections you found particularly interesting. The conscious mental activity during cardiac arrest is particularly convincing to me. Within 10-15 seconds of cardiac arrest blood flow has stopped and brain activity is completely flatlined, and consciousness should be completely impossible. Yet people are reporting vivid conscious experiences during this time when there is no way for the brain to be generating/mediating them. I think this bit of evidence alone should force everyone to stop and reconsider what they think about the brain and consciousness. Also it implies that with our CTB methods that rely on breathing to stop/heart to stop/hypoxia, we will probably be having conscious experiences only not embodied ones. Everyone here should really be buckling up their seat belt as CTB is probably a lot wilder a ride than most are expecting.

I used to have a strictly materialist worldview but recently I've been reading stuff like this that suggests there is more to reality than what we immediately perceive. Honestly I think death either leading to total oblivion, or returning to some higher-dimensional grand consciousness, are both fine outcomes. Anything is better than life on this shitty Earth.

Yeah same, used to be a strict materialist but had some experiences that made me reconsider.

Just wait until people realise the full implications of the Pentagon's UFO report.

I have been following the UFO stuff the Navy has been releasing and watched that series on it that came out a year or two ago. I just read the CIA Stargate stuff that has been released. I mean I don't know how much the government really believed this stuff to be true. They certainly investigated it to some extent. But I think they are like most people just sort of locked into some pre existing belief system whether that is Christianity or materialist science or whatever.

We have Buddhist monks meeting with physicists since more recent discoveries in physics open up an expanded awareness. How remarkable it is to see science coming into agreement with a religion about the nature of reality.

If the mind, or more correctly consciousness, can influence what we call reality, what else is going on here? Does it really seem to impossible that we are a collective consciousness constantly creating all this, including shedding our bodies and yeeting into new ones as they emerge?

Yeah it is an interesting time. It makes me wish that my body wasn't so freaking brutal to live in as in many ways the world is getting cooler by the day: legal weed and accepted use of psychedelics, non-materialist perspectives coming to the fore, cool VR tech. It's like a future I would love to be a part of, only.. I can't. A bit frustrating TBH. Of course things could also go downhill fast with depleting the oceans, many places running out of water, Europe freezing bc of Gulf Stream shut down, nuclear proliferation, etc.

I had to look up yeeting :) I honestly think the non materialist stuff is making it a lot easier for me to CTB. I mean if I thought this was really and truly my only chance to experience life I would probably try to drag my carcass through more years of this brutal disease experience. So should I really CTB because I am pretty sure it's just a simulation? Maybe it's the rational choice once you realize that your body is just really like a set of clothes. But my family is having a major issue with my desire for this wardrobe change. "5077 people die every hour in the world" just heard this on a podcast my dad is listening to.

For those who want to go further down the non-materialist rabbit hole but approach from a scientist approved entry point, this is a great place to start:

Recommended Books - Division of Perceptual Studies

Books Recommended by The UVA Division of Perceptual Studies Staff The following is a list of books on various aspects of psychical research (also known as parapsychology) that are recommended by the faculty at the Division of Perceptual Studies. There are books on psychical research in general...

med.virginia.edu

 

[Meditation guide]

I wish there was a video of my perceptions when in deep meditation. The way suddenly I see my awareness spread out in all directions and know that unlike my usual awareness, this is how it really is, limitless. And the fact that it takes in all there is means there is really just one of us, contrary to how it seems. If none of this makes much sense join the club. I'm sure death will be a wild ride.

 

[Makko]

Future science will look back on materialism as an embarrassing episode

 

[Amumu]

I'm a mechanistic materialist, and I love the work of Lovecraft.
The universe is meaningless, mechanic, and insensible.
All the rest is fairy tales we use to try to cope with our miserable lives.

Future science will look back on materialism as an embarrassing episode

Future science will look back on materialism as what made the entire humanity suicidal, or at least a huge part.
And as the the exact truth we have difficulties acknowledging because we're not programmed to believe in materialism.
Human beings are programmed to be spiritual. Their brains are like that.

Oh come on.
Why do you think 95% of humanity are spiritual in 2021? Why do you think 100% of humanity were spiritual before the 1950s?

If none of this makes much sense join the club.

I'll join the club

Yeah same, used to be a strict materialist but had some experiences that made me reconsider.

What about reconsidering again?

We have Buddhist monks meeting with physicists since more recent discoveries in physics open up an expanded awareness. How remarkable it is to see science coming into agreement with a religion about the nature of reality.

If the mind, or more correctly consciousness, can influence what we call reality, what else is going on here? Does it really seem to impossible that we are a collective consciousness constantly creating all this, including shedding our bodies and yeeting into new ones as they emerge?

The mind is in the brain, and it can influence reality indeed.

Interesting as its talking bout death, NDE, and all the supernatural from science standpoint.

And there are so many scientists agree to it

Scientists can be wrong, even if there are "a lot of them" (importance of the quotes). It's extremely likely they're wrong in that case.

Just wait until people realise the full implications of the Pentagon's UFO report.

What is that?

I used to have a strictly materialist worldview but recently I've been reading stuff like this that suggests there is more to reality than what we immediately perceive. Honestly I think death either leading to total oblivion, or returning to some higher-dimensional grand consciousness, are both fine outcomes. Anything is better than life on this shitty Earth.

I'd like to see your higher-dimensional grand consciousness for a laugh

Just came across this, pretty interesting I think and if correct has profound implications for CTB:

The Manifesto for a Post-Materialist Science - OpenSciences.org

opensciences.org

Materialism isn't a philosophy anymore.

 

[StringPuppet]

I'd like to see your higher-dimensional grand consciousness for a laugh

It's just one of several theories I've read about. It's not really anything new, Eastern mystics have been talking about stuff like that for centuries.

 

[Superdeterminist]

Future science will look back on materialism as an embarrassing episode

I guess we'll see about that...Because so far, idealism (mind is fundamental) hasn't really done much good for human flourishing. Whereas, the largely materialistic basis of today's fields of physics, biology, and chemistry have resulted in leaps and bounds of technological progress. But materialism (everything is matter) has been dropped by many in favour of physicalism, which includes not only matter but also forces, fields and energy. These non-matter aspects of today's physics are still thought of as physical phenomena, not caused by human minds, but observed by them.

 

[Makko]

Human beings are programmed to be spiritual.

For a good reason.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

What is that?

What do you mean? What is the Pentagon UFO report or what are the implications?

 

[All Things Must Pass]

 

[ExistentialEntropy]

Since our experience of the world happens entirely in the mind, we have no way to prove it exists separate from the mind. Mind and matter could easily be one and the same.