Method Man Woke from an Assisted-Suicide Coma nearly Three Days Later and Lived!

[The Lonely]

N is my method… as I started my research about this method it went from:

"Dead instantly" to:
"It May take 24h" to:
"Extended coma" to:
"Man woke from a coma nearly three days later and lived"!!!

I'm collecting 'cases' about the period /between/ taking the lethal drug and being declared dead.

I already saw articles mentioning the term "mimic coma" (as being the result of taking a lethal dose of barbiturates) and it kind of matches with this man's case…

I also read about the failed prisoner lethal injection…

But failing at assisted-suicide is by far the top bizarre case I ever heard.

If you have any other articles related to: extended coma, failing at barbiturates or other lethal drugs please add the link in this thread.

(I am no pro-lifer or anything)…


Doctor-assisted suicide fails; Oregon patient dies of cancer | The Seattle Times

Oregon man woke up after assisted-suicide attempt | The Seattle Times

 

[peacefulhorizons]

idk looks like religious prolife bs propaganda tbh

can't find a case study of the incident. plenty of doctors would be begging you to allow them to write one up if you re-emerged from 10g of seconal lol

 

[Bullit]

This story was from 2005!!!

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

This story was from 2005!!!

So what? Only thing about it I question was what he was given...it doesn't say it was n.

 

[Auto Immunity After]

I think these are breakout cases 1 in a million.........there will always be these examples of these for every medication legal or otherwise. I think it's safe to say your odds are very very good that you will die and it won't take days it will take hours.

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

Makes driving off a tall cliff more desireable. Even waiting minutes...hours....is super yucky for me to think about.

 

[Auto Immunity After]

Makes driving off a tall cliff more desireable. Even waiting minutes...hours....is super yucky for me to think about.

keep in mind your are unconsious after 2 minutes so not aware of your body shutting down afterwards

 

[The Lonely]

Legal and ethical implications of defining an optimum means of achieving unconsciousness in assisted dying​

S. Sinmyee, V. J. Pandit, J. M. Pascual, A. Dahan, T. Heidegger, G. Kreienbühl, D. A. Lubarsky, J. J. Pandit
First published: 20 February 2019

Common methods used in voluntary assisted dying​

Data from the Dutch protocols, and other similar methods used elsewhere, suggest that after oral drug sedative ingestion, patients usually lose consciousness within 5 min. However, death takes considerably longer. Although cardiopulmonary collapse occurs within 90 min in two-thirds of cases, in a third of cases death can take up to 30 h 31-33. Other complications include difficulty in swallowing the prescribed dose (in up to 9%) and vomiting thereafter (in up to 10%), both of which prevent suitable dosing, and re-emergence from coma (in up to 2%). Each of these potentially constitutes a failure to achieve unconsciousness, with its own psychological consequences, and it would seem important explicitly to acknowledge this in suitable consent processes. Complications are still reported: difficulties with intravenous access which preclude proceeding (3%); prolonged time to death (up to 7 days from drug administration in up to 4%); and failure to induce coma (with patients re-awakening, even sitting up, in up to 1.3%), and are more common in those who are not frail 31-33.

It is striking, that the incidence of 'failure of unconsciousness' is approximately 190 times higher when it is intended that the patient is unconscious at the time of death 31-33, as when it is intended they later awaken and recover after surgery (when accidental awareness is approximately 1:19,000) 21, 22.

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[Alwaysbadtime]

Legal and ethical implications of defining an optimum means of achieving unconsciousness in assisted dying​

S. Sinmyee, V. J. Pandit, J. M. Pascual, A. Dahan, T. Heidegger, G. Kreienbühl, D. A. Lubarsky, J. J. Pandit
First published: 20 February 2019

Common methods used in voluntary assisted dying​

Data from the Dutch protocols, and other similar methods used elsewhere, suggest that after oral drug sedative ingestion, patients usually lose consciousness within 5 min. However, death takes considerably longer. Although cardiopulmonary collapse occurs within 90 min in two-thirds of cases, in a third of cases death can take up to 30 h 31-33. Other complications include difficulty in swallowing the prescribed dose (in up to 9%) and vomiting thereafter (in up to 10%), both of which prevent suitable dosing, and re-emergence from coma (in up to 2%). Each of these potentially constitutes a failure to achieve unconsciousness, with its own psychological consequences, and it would seem important explicitly to acknowledge this in suitable consent processes. Complications are still reported: difficulties with intravenous access which preclude proceeding (3%); prolonged time to death (up to 7 days from drug administration in up to 4%); and failure to induce coma (with patients re-awakening, even sitting up, in up to 1.3%), and are more common in those who are not frail 31-33.

It is striking, that the incidence of 'failure of unconsciousness' is approximately 190 times higher when it is intended that the patient is unconscious at the time of death 31-33, as when it is intended they later awaken and recover after surgery (when accidental awareness is approximately 1:19,000) 21, 22.

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This is still an article that doesn't name the drug as N. I sorta question their study. People around the world do n. To gather all data would be impossible.

 

[insurancepolicy]

Doesn't Oregon do the US cocktails, not N? Or am I wrong?

 

[Buffy5120]

N is my method… as I started my research about this method it went from:

"Dead instantly" to:
"It May take 24h" to:
"Extended coma" to:
"Man woke from a coma nearly three days later and lived"!!!

I'm collecting 'cases' about the period /between/ taking the lethal drug and being declared dead.

I already saw articles mentioning the term "mimic coma" (as being the result of taking a lethal dose of barbiturates) and it kind of matches with this man's case…

I also read about the failed prisoner lethal injection…

But failing at assisted-suicide is by far the top bizarre case I ever heard.

If you have any other articles related to: extended coma, failing at barbiturates or other lethal drugs please add the link in this thread.

(I am no pro-lifer or anything)…
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Doctor-assisted suicide fails; Oregon patient dies of cancer | The Seattle Times

Oregon man woke up after assisted-suicide attempt | The Seattle Times

Thats why they give you an option for cremation which I probably would prefer just in case something like this happens.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

No idea why inert gas isn't the go-to here...

 

[The Lonely]

This "Delay" in death is something that is appearing more frequently that I could imagine when I started my "process"…

It pretty much explains why "the only failures'" were because they were "discovered"…

 

[sully]

Oh, it doesn´t help my case to read this.

Anyway, if I´m not mistaken it doesn´t state there what drug was used (what do they use in the US?), nor the dosage ("supposedly" lethal dosage). It is also from 2005 (remember that Dignitas used to use a lower dosage in the past?). The man was ill but again we don´t know about his weight or anything...

What is weird to me is why didn´t they prescribed a second (larger) dosage right away!

 

[upthedownescalatorr]

Oh, it doesn´t help my case to read this.

Anyway, if I´m not mistaken it doesn´t state there what drug was used (what do they use in the US?), nor the dosage ("supposedly" lethal dosage). It is also from 2005 (remember that Dignitas used to use a lower dosage in the past?). The man was ill but again we don´t know about his weight or anything...

What is weird to me is why didn´t they prescribed a second (larger) dosage right away!

I think the law prohibits them from giving a second dosage if they're unconscious. Hence why euthanasia drugs have to be self administered by the patient in most countries.

 

[sully]

I think the law prohibits them from giving a second dosage if they're unconscious. Hence why euthanasia drugs have to be self administered by the patient in most countries.

well , it says there he survived 13 more days.... well, I guess the reason is some stupid paperwork... also cases like this should be taken into account by such organizations...

 

[upthedownescalatorr]

well , it says there he survived 13 more days.... well, I guess the reason is some stupid paperwork... also cases like this should be taken into account by such organizations...

I've heard that dignitas have used exit bags when patients haven't died quickly enough but that could be hearsay.

 

[sully]

I've heard that dignitas have used exit bags when patients haven't died quickly enough but that could be hearsay.

I wonder once you´re in a coma you can not just get out of it by yourself, without medical help or can you? Because if not they could just wait longer, who cares when it happens, still a matter of days...

 

[The Lonely]

Oh, it doesn´t help my case to read this.

Anyway, if I´m not mistaken it doesn´t state there what drug was used (what do they use in the US?), nor the dosage ("supposedly" lethal dosage). It is also from 2005 (remember that Dignitas used to use a lower dosage in the past?). The man was ill but again we don´t know about his weight or anything...

What is weird to me is why didn´t they prescribed a second (larger) dosage right away!

But that's exactly what happens!

In many Assisted Suicides physicians need to "finish" the job… actually

Then from Assisted Suicide if goes to: Active Euthanasia. (When the patient did not die as soon as expected or awake from coma physicians have to lead a lethal injection)..

(But not all Assisted suicides have a physician present)… Some people just receive the authorization to buy the lethal drugs and they do it at home…

This is pretty much alike what 'people like us' will face… actually…

 

[LoveTakesManyForms]

I think the law prohibits them from giving a second dosage if they're unconscious. Hence why euthanasia drugs have to be self administered by the patient in most countries.

Surely the patient could self administer the initial dose before triggering a timed release of a subsequent dose?

 

[PassingThrough]

I'm guessing that in the future, when assisted suicide becomes lawful and acceptable everywhere, drug companies will be compelled to create a drug that is specifically designed for such usage. Such a drug would obviously be more reliable, peaceful and cheaper than what we have today.

At present there is not a single drug in the world (N, Seconal, other barbiturates, benzos, whatever) that is manufactured specifically for the purpose of causing a person to die. Dignitas, American execution chambers and so on simply must make do with the drugs that we do have. N is probably the closest thing we have since it is meant to be used for veterinary euthanasia, but I'm sure there's a medical difference between euthanizing a person and euthanizing an animal.

My point is: if you're using a drug for something it wasn't designed for, don't be surprised that it sucks at it!