lol, psychiatrist and psychologist warned me to avoid this site

[LostLily]

Still in the hospital( day8)

it slip that I was a member of a website ( didn't manage its name) that openly talks about suicide . All of them warned me to not go on this site anymore

Saying there is "malicious actors " on this site . So far everyone is welcoming and understanding. I'm not stupid to assume that there is no malicious people o this site, but that is true for every site.

They say people are going to manipulate me to do something.Please, I was suicidal going into this site . And I have attempted way before I joined.

 

[Rynalia]

They say people are going to manipulate me to do something.Please, I was suicidal going into this site . And I have attempted way before I joined.

Damn, how did the psychs know suicidal people are definitely going to manipulate you into doing things and totally not be simmering in their own existential angst?

 

[weallhaveourghosts]

Lol that's funny. Every thread I've read that asks for help with choosing a method or even obtaining something is like "sorry we can't" yeah very manipulative.

 

[SVEN]

For me, the "Malicious Actors" are pro life individuals & groups, Trolls and official agencies. Other, genuine, members as broken and messed up as me are supportive and encouraging, but then they can empathise in a way health professionals can't.
And no one is going to encourage you to harm yourself, there's even Recovery section to assist.

 

[CatLvr]

Uhmmmm, do they have any idea how many of us there are who are in active recovery because of advice and support we received from the people on this site?? Good grief ...

 

[Dejected 55]

I've had multiple manipulative and negligent experiences with therapists over the years to the point where I shut people down immediately when they even hint at recommending talking to someone.

The most relevant example is when I saw a therapist, explained my problems and she recommended me a book to read by a particular doctor. I went to a book store and searched to find the book. Perusing it in the store before purchase, I found an entire chapter in the early part of the book where that doctor went on to describe all the worst things for my particular situation. He was basically in college and learning all these things that were exactly the problem I had went to this therapist to find help dealing with... and I couldn't believe she would do that.

I called her later that day and asked had she read the book she recommended to me. She said no. I told her about it's content and how it was completely inappropriate for my situation. She seemed genuinely surprised and apologized. But I asked her how I could trust a therapist who would recommend something to me without having vetted it herself. She asked to recommend another doctor and I replied why should I trust her to recommend anyone to me after just having that experience where I trusted her and opened myself up to that?

Bottom line for me, and others' mileage may vary of course, is that I find too many therapists to be as manipulative and uninformed as anyone else. A completely different doctor only wanted to prescribe medications to me and never wanted to talk, ever. I finally jettisoned him after telling him that if he wasn't interested in listening or helping me I could be depressed on my own for free.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

What a "warning" that is, more like advertisement that would be like telling an alcoholic where to find booze in a dry town and they´re supposed to be experts on the mind what a joke.

 

[Whole-Ad]

Mine told me that everyone on here is a fake account, that I'm probably talking to the same couple of people and that they're trying to get me to kill myself. They even went as far as saying how come they aren't dead then?

Shows that they understand nothing at all.

 

[bankai]

I've had multiple manipulative and negligent experiences with therapists over the years to the point where I shut people down immediately when they even hint at recommending talking to someone.

The most relevant example is when I saw a therapist, explained my problems and she recommended me a book to read by a particular doctor. I went to a book store and searched to find the book. Perusing it in the store before purchase, I found an entire chapter in the early part of the book where that doctor went on to describe all the worst things for my particular situation. He was basically in college and learning all these things that were exactly the problem I had went to this therapist to find help dealing with... and I couldn't believe she would do that.

I called her later that day and asked had she read the book she recommended to me. She said no. I told her about it's content and how it was completely inappropriate for my situation. She seemed genuinely surprised and apologized. But I asked her how I could trust a therapist who would recommend something to me without having vetted it herself. She asked to recommend another doctor and I replied why should I trust her to recommend anyone to me after just having that experience where I trusted her and opened myself up to that?

Bottom line for me, and others' mileage may vary of course, is that I find too many therapists to be as manipulative and uninformed as anyone else. A completely different doctor only wanted to prescribe medications to me and never wanted to talk, ever. I finally jettisoned him after telling him that if he wasn't interested in listening or helping me I could be depressed on my own for free.

Well done. You definitely asked the hard questions.

 

[Dot]

Still in the hospital( day8)

it slip that I was a member of a website ( didn't manage its name) that openly talks about suicide . All of them warned me to not go on this site anymore

Saying there is "malicious actors " on this site . So far everyone is welcoming and understanding. I'm not stupid to assume that there is no malicious people o this site, but that is true for every site.

They say people are going to manipulate me to do something.Please, I was suicidal going into this site . And I have attempted way before I joined.

Slf hve sccessflly manipl8td ppl in2 havng sme chse-cke & gttng sme orchds & mre recntly tryng out modllng kits

If u snd slf d.m slf wll snd u th/ relevnt sourcs fr modllng kts bt pls b advisd tht u mght also b givn sme unsolictd slw-cookr recpes

Mine told me that everyone on here is a fake account, that I'm probably talking to the same couple of people and that they're trying to get me to kill myself. They even went as far as saying how come they aren't dead then?

Shows that they understand nothing at all.

Ask thm wht percntge of suicdl ppl cmplete suicde

 

[Worndown]

Your Dr should be happy you are here.
I observe more people find reasons to cope and live than find ways to die.
Being here brings a little hope, statistically.

 

[OhhDrugzZ]

So far, SaSu has actually helped me because I no longer feel alone with my problems

 

[LastNite]

I feel like there are more weirdos and malicious people on r/suicidewatch than on here or am I wrong? I've been there before and I've gotten werid perverted messages when I was 16 at that moment. On SaSu I haven't seen anyone complain or encounter somebody like this yet.

 

[CatLvr]

I've had multiple manipulative and negligent experiences with therapists over the years to the point where I shut people down immediately when they even hint at recommending talking to someone.

The most relevant example is when I saw a therapist, explained my problems and she recommended me a book to read by a particular doctor. I went to a book store and searched to find the book. Perusing it in the store before purchase, I found an entire chapter in the early part of the book where that doctor went on to describe all the worst things for my particular situation. He was basically in college and learning all these things that were exactly the problem I had went to this therapist to find help dealing with... and I couldn't believe she would do that.

I called her later that day and asked had she read the book she recommended to me. She said no. I told her about it's content and how it was completely inappropriate for my situation. She seemed genuinely surprised and apologized. But I asked her how I could trust a therapist who would recommend something to me without having vetted it herself. She asked to recommend another doctor and I replied why should I trust her to recommend anyone to me after just having that experience where I trusted her and opened myself up to that?

Bottom line for me, and others' mileage may vary of course, is that I find too many therapists to be as manipulative and uninformed as anyone else. A completely different doctor only wanted to prescribe medications to me and never wanted to talk, ever. I finally jettisoned him after telling him that if he wasn't interested in listening or helping me I could be depressed on my own for free.

This is basically the EXACT experience I have had with every single therapist I have seen. And I have seen a LOT of them because I wanted to get better. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM wanted to medicate me into complete numbness and then TELL me I would get used to it and that was better than the alternative. When I asked them what "the alternative" was they said "Well, you know. How you felt when you came to me." Jeez ... And they think I am the crazy one.

 

[LostLily]

Lol that's funny. Every thread I've read that asks for help with choosing a method or even obtaining something is like "sorry we can't" yeah very manipulative.

I know for experience, when I first joined I was begging for the source for SN and no one would tell it to me. So I had to find it myself

 

[bankai]

So far, SaSu has actually helped me because I no longer feel alone with my problems

As expected of sasu

I know for experience, when I first joined I was begging for the source for SN and no one would tell it to me. So I had to find it myself

The expectation is it will take you years to find the source. Hence, you will go on living for quite some time

 

[itsoverforme303]

I'm pretty sure if you go through a random person's "suggested friends" list on Facebook you'll find far more pedos, AI bots and other malicious actors than on this site.

As I said before, these people will not let us live with dignity, they will let us die with dignity.

 

[Dot]

This is basically the EXACT experience I have had with every single therapist I have seen. And I have seen a LOT of them because I wanted to get better. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM wanted to medicate me into complete numbness and then TELL me I would get used to it and that was better than the alternative. When I asked them what "the alternative" was they said "Well, you know. How you felt when you came to me." Jeez ... And they think I am the crazy one.

Tht ws Y slf hve bn tryn2 mke threds wth info abt dffrnt therpis & treatmnts bcse ppl r v quck 2 sy 'gt hp' & 'try smethng els' w/o offrng n.ethng of substnce

'Gt hlp' - 'try smethng els' - 'am nt goin2 sggest wht tho bcse slf hve alrdy dne slf duty of tellng u nt 2 ctb'

 

[imOK]

malicious people on r/suicidewatch

besides some very isolated subreddits, reddit is a complete shitshow in general. What do you expect? It's normie central.

Having to sign up to a forum that's not one of four big social media websites is already a filter for the worst of them. Sad but true. (Also I guess, good, in a way)

 

[2messdup]

Still in the hospital( day8)

it slip that I was a member of a website ( didn't manage its name) that openly talks about suicide . All of them warned me to not go on this site anymore

Saying there is "malicious actors " on this site . So far everyone is welcoming and understanding. I'm not stupid to assume that there is no malicious people o this site, but that is true for every site.

They say people are going to manipulate me to do something.Please, I was suicidal going into this site . And I have attempted way before I joined.

My CPN knows I'm on here and refers to it as "peer support website" . I think maybe generally they don't like it because many people attempt ctb via overdose, which very often doesn't work, but gives psych workers a heads up that you mean it, but you live so they get a second chance to persuade you not to. Once people have accessed this site they have a lot of info about different methods and are more likely to choose a lethal method with a much lower chance of surviving, so there is no "attempt" from which you could be saved to warn mental health workers.
But as has been said, the support on this site is huge and unique and many potential impulsive ctb'ers end up on here for years.

 

[ceilng_tile]

I've had multiple manipulative and negligent experiences with therapists over the years to the point where I shut people down immediately when they even hint at recommending talking to someone.

The most relevant example is when I saw a therapist, explained my problems and she recommended me a book to read by a particular doctor. I went to a book store and searched to find the book. Perusing it in the store before purchase, I found an entire chapter in the early part of the book where that doctor went on to describe all the worst things for my particular situation. He was basically in college and learning all these things that were exactly the problem I had went to this therapist to find help dealing with... and I couldn't believe she would do that.

I called her later that day and asked had she read the book she recommended to me. She said no. I told her about it's content and how it was completely inappropriate for my situation. She seemed genuinely surprised and apologized. But I asked her how I could trust a therapist who would recommend something to me without having vetted it herself. She asked to recommend another doctor and I replied why should I trust her to recommend anyone to me after just having that experience where I trusted her and opened myself up to that?

Bottom line for me, and others' mileage may vary of course, is that I find too many therapists to be as manipulative and uninformed as anyone else. A completely different doctor only wanted to prescribe medications to me and never wanted to talk, ever. I finally jettisoned him after telling him that if he wasn't interested in listening or helping me I could be depressed on my own for free.

Why would you *ever* recommend a book that you haven't read yourself, especiallyto a patient? This is a lazy therapist who has no business treating anyone.

 

[milkteacrown]

I feel like there are more weirdos and malicious people on r/suicidewatch than on here or am I wrong? I've been there before and I've gotten werid perverted messages when I was 16 at that moment. On SaSu I haven't seen anyone complain or encounter somebody like this yet.

I'm sorry you experienced that. That is truly repulsive behavior.
There are people on this website who DM with ultimately sexual motivations, but I haven't seen any who are browsing the forum for the express purpose of fetishization so far.

 

[Forveleth]

Man, my depression is so bad, I can not even manipulate myself into brushing my teeth most days, let alone have the energy to manipulate someone else!

Slf hve sccessflly manipl8td ppl in2 havng sme chse-cke & gttng sme orchds & mre recntly tryng out modllng kits

If u snd slf d.m slf wll snd u th/ relevnt sourcs fr modllng kts bt pls b advisd tht u mght also b givn sme unsolictd slw-cookr recpes

Laughed so hard at this.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

I'm actually surprised at how few bad actor posts I've seen though I suppose one is more vulnerable one on one in DMs. Still, I wonder how much damage control the mods have to do.

 

[Ashes of a Dreamer]

The idea is that we have to suddenly stop doing all things related to suicide for out health, an approach similar to alcohol and drugs. The thing is suicidal ideation is a response to a problem you can't bear anymore, and if the problem can't be fixed, well, we'll continue addicted to run away from this persistent pain. By the way, many health professionals aren't ready to deal with suicidal people, and, if someone here intends to recover, I recommend searching for a suicidologist - a specialist of the theme, hard to find.

 

[Dejected 55]

This is basically the EXACT experience I have had with every single therapist I have seen. And I have seen a LOT of them because I wanted to get better. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM wanted to medicate me into complete numbness and then TELL me I would get used to it and that was better than the alternative. When I asked them what "the alternative" was they said "Well, you know. How you felt when you came to me." Jeez ... And they think I am the crazy one.

My first experience with a therapist was when I was a kid in school, involuntarily on my part. I suppose in that case it did actually help in an unintended way. I didn't get actual help for my problems, but I did realize adults were as useless as anyone and I couldn't trust anyone to care to listen or help me.

As an adult I saw a few different therapists, at least a couple more than I mentioned in my earlier post. One guy actually seemed like a good guy and really seemed to listen. He wasn't able to help me but I got the sense that he at least wished he could. I wasn't able to see him more than I did because it was a through-work thing where they only paid for a certain amount of sessions and once those were done, I couldn't see him anymore.

The psychiatrist that was prescribing medications... every session was the same, he'd ask me how I felt I would say I felt the same and he would say to take more medicine. I figured he was just going to keep upping the dose until he decided to switch to something else. I was open to the medicine actually hoping maybe I did have a chemical imbalance that could be treated... but more and more over the years I have concluded that I never had a chemical imbalance problem. I'm just reacting to very real stimuli and even if I had coping mechanisms it would be like taking aspirin because someone randomly hits me in the head with a hammer in my sleep a couple of times a week and nobody will help me stop him and nobody believes it is even happening.

So while I believe in the concept of therapy, I am not convinced there is anyone out there who would care enough and be qualified to actually be of value to me at this point.

Why would you *ever* recommend a book that you haven't read yourself, especiallyto a patient? This is a lazy therapist who has no business treating anyone.

That's what I said! It seemed so irresponsible to me. I mean, she ended up recommending something to me the exact opposite of what I needed and if I hadn't been as emotionally stable as I was at the time, that could have set me off. Fortunately I have just enough stubbornness that someone's ineptitude isn't going to be what pushes me over the edge.

Unrelated, but similarly negligent in my opinion... I had to go to a psychiatrist for an evaluation. It was a one-off not a treatment scenario. Anyway, because it was for a work-related evaluation I knew to be on time so I arrived early. I realize a session could run long so I wouldn't have minded waiting if the doctor was with a patient that needed help more than I did for that evaluation session... but I waited at least a half hour after my session because just before my appointment time a guy in a suit came into the office and talked to the doctor all that time. I heard him talking with the receptionist after and he was a pharmaceutical rep who was there to sell the doctor on his drug inventory.

Of course I couldn't say anything and risk screwing up my evaluation, but it kind of pissed me off that a doctor would keep anyone with an appointment waiting while seeing what kickbacks could be had for prescribing whatever drug of the month was the new thing.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Congrats for surviving the website with very bad actors for so long. Guess we need to try harder to fulfill expectations of mental health experts and journalists.

 

[CatLvr]

My first experience with a therapist was when I was a kid in school, involuntarily on my part. I suppose in that case it did actually help in an unintended way. I didn't get actual help for my problems, but I did realize adults were as useless as anyone and I couldn't trust anyone to care to listen or help me.

As an adult I saw a few different therapists, at least a couple more than I mentioned in my earlier post. One guy actually seemed like a good guy and really seemed to listen. He wasn't able to help me but I got the sense that he at least wished he could. I wasn't able to see him more than I did because it was a through-work thing where they only paid for a certain amount of sessions and once those were done, I couldn't see him anymore.

The psychiatrist that was prescribing medications... every session was the same, he'd ask me how I felt I would say I felt the same and he would say to take more medicine. I figured he was just going to keep upping the dose until he decided to switch to something else. I was open to the medicine actually hoping maybe I did have a chemical imbalance that could be treated... but more and more over the years I have concluded that I never had a chemical imbalance problem. I'm just reacting to very real stimuli and even if I had coping mechanisms it would be like taking aspirin because someone randomly hits me in the head with a hammer in my sleep a couple of times a week and nobody will help me stop him and nobody believes it is even happening.

So while I believe in the concept of therapy, I am not convinced there is anyone out there who would care enough and be qualified to actually be of value to me at this point.

That's what I said! It seemed so irresponsible to me. I mean, she ended up recommending something to me the exact opposite of what I needed and if I hadn't been as emotionally stable as I was at the time, that could have set me off. Fortunately I have just enough stubbornness that someone's ineptitude isn't going to be what pushes me over the edge.

Unrelated, but similarly negligent in my opinion... I had to go to a psychiatrist for an evaluation. It was a one-off not a treatment scenario. Anyway, because it was for a work-related evaluation I knew to be on time so I arrived early. I realize a session could run long so I wouldn't have minded waiting if the doctor was with a patient that needed help more than I did for that evaluation session... but I waited at least a half hour after my session because just before my appointment time a guy in a suit came into the office and talked to the doctor all that time. I heard him talking with the receptionist after and he was a pharmaceutical rep who was there to sell the doctor on his drug inventory.

Of course I couldn't say anything and risk screwing up my evaluation, but it kind of pissed me off that a doctor would keep anyone with an appointment waiting while seeing what kickbacks could be had for prescribing whatever drug of the month was the new thing.

I feel the same way. Like I have mentioned before, this site, it's members and moderators have done more for me than all the therapists and psychiatrists put together have. I truly believe, with all my heart, that had I not found SaSu when I did, I would be just another gun statistic right now.

 

[Britney Spears]

What we have to do is avoid them. They're as useless as they are.

 

[anonymous2025]

Mine told me that everyone on here is a fake account, that I'm probably talking to the same couple of people and that they're trying to get me to kill myself. They even went as far as saying how come they aren't dead then?

Shows that they understand nothing at all.

That is complete fear-mongering they definitely should not be in that business.