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wordsoutb4sumnelsin

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Much appreciated writing. Especially notable as a fellow professional.
Maybe a little specific, but I super hope that as a licensed counselor, ex-clients (I'd be sure to transfer/discharge any folks before I ctb) wouldn't be contacted. Ideally not informed in any way. Same with hoping a note is respected mentioning to not put out that I died to either the clients or put it out in the news...

Anyways, my best for you in the clink!
 
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Nov 28, 2025
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Thank you so much for the detailed writeup!
Tho I'd like to know: The whole process does seem a little intrusive (is that the right word for it?) to the friends/family living with the deceased with the whole body removal and taking personal belongings like phone, pc, etc... Of course I fully understand the reasons for it and I respect all the people doing the work, but is there anything the deceased (before deceasing) can do to lessen the burden and stress brought by law enforcement and EMS. Perhaps putting on a bodybag, not being upstairs ;) , leaving a note next to them, clarifying that it was without a doubt suicide... Would any of that help?

I hope this msg still makes sense now that I've translated my thoughts into words.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's interesting to read it from the other side. Also to have more ways of trying to be considerate to the people left having to deal with the aftermath. It sounds like a nightmare pretty much though- whatever we decide to do.

But then- that's why they ought to allow assisted suicide for more people. Those facilities would be designed to deal with all these issues. Our families would be informed. They could even be there if they wanted. There would be absolutely no need for police and an expensive investigation. They can spend their time catching criminals rather than trying to establish whether a person was miserable enough to do this to themselves.

Our society shoots itself in the foot by denying people who are suffering a dignified, peaceful and clean way out. I do feel bad it falls on the emergency services and multiple others to deal with the mess but then- that's ultimately more emotional blackmail to try and force people to stay here. Which isn't fair- surely?

I absolutely 100% think we ought to consider how our actions may affect others and try to make their jobs easier where we can. But to be emotionally blackmailed and held captive here makes no effort to acknowledge what we might be going through.

It also assumes that we owe people things. Definitely- we should try not to hurt them but- what if they've hurt us- repeatedly throughout our lives? Even just birthing us here was exposing us to risk. Why do we owe so much to the people and society that may well have caused our ideation to begin with?

Sadly- it could well be an innocent party left to tidy up the mess- emergency services etc. While I have the greatest admiration and respect for them- they did realise that was possible when they entered the job. Absolutely- they shouldn't be put at physical risk. But- they knew it would be an emotional job.

I think at least part of the blame needs to go on a society that likely doesn't support workers in such demanding jobs. But- effectively blaming the suicidal person for the mess they left? When they would have gladly and gratefully died mess and hassle and (tax payer) cost free in a specialised clinic? That feels somewhat of a low blow.

It was all still very interesting and important to consider though so- thank you.
For most suicide isnt simply about "being born to die" for most it is society who turned them into wanting to commit suicide, to give them an option to die like cattle, is to simply give up on people.
 
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Forever Sleep

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For most suicide isnt simply about "being born to die" for most it is society who turned them into wanting to commit suicide, to give them an option to die like cattle, is to simply give up on people.

The ideal I think would to be able to offer both. Support for those who need and want it but, still a way out for those who don't.

I wouldn't appreciate 'help' being forced on me in terms of drugs or whatever else. I do function, just about. I pay into society. I think that's their idea of 'helping' though. Making someone productive again. I've simply had enough of participating though. I believe that should be our right.

But sure- it certainly concerns me that if assisted suicide clinics are government run, they could pull funding from the people who need it most, and effectively, funnel them into the meat grinder.

But, that's why I think it would be better if these facilities were privately run. Still with price caps and strict regulation- to prevent them profiteering from death. I'm certainly not a pro-mortalist, 'nembutal for all' activist. I'm more moderate- thinking things like a 6 month waiting period- where the patient is offered (but not forced) help would prevent impulsive attempts etc.

But, I don't think Switzerland or Belgium are butchering their citizens. I've heard worries about MAiD in Canada but again- that's government run and funded I believe.
 
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wordsoutb4sumnelsin

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The ideal I think would to be able to offer both. Support for those who need and want it but, still a way out for those who don't.

I wouldn't appreciate 'help' being forced on me in terms of drugs or whatever else. I do function, just about. I pay into society. I think that's their idea of 'helping' though. Making someone productive again. I've simply had enough of participating though. I believe that should be our right.

But sure- it certainly concerns me that if assisted suicide clinics are government run, they could pull funding from the people who need it most, and effectively, funnel them into the meat grinder.

But, that's why I think it would be better if these facilities were privately run. Still with price caps and strict regulation- to prevent them profiteering from death. I'm certainly not a pro-mortalist, 'nembutal for all' activist. I'm more moderate- thinking things like a 6 month waiting period- where the patient is offered (but not forced) help would prevent impulsive attempts etc.

But, I don't think Switzerland or Belgium are butchering their citizens. I've heard worries about MAiD in Canada but again- that's government run and funded I believe.
Super agree all throughout.
"I pay into society. I think that's their idea of 'helping' though" - I extra agree from a personal level.
Kinda on a professional level, but ALSO personally, I've also latched onto the 6mo/avoiding impulsivity as well. Love your focus on offer vs force too...
Tho tbh thinking into laws, rules, policies... Been there done that. At least right now feels a little too human and easily can be a block in my "reasons things suck/I want out" pile.
 
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COP2CON

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Does everyone shit themselves when they die? Would it be more respectful to wear a diaper or are 1st responders desensitized to that?
Sometimes. Depends how long ago they ate and used the bathroom. Sometimes it happened when we moved them. Surprisingly I never noticed that much even though I would nearly vomit with alive people who did that.
ACAB, but since you're an ex cop Ill say, thank you for this surprisingly insightful read. How common would you say suicides were in a city? I dont hear much about them and from what I understood with this, its usually quite intense.
Fairly common but not near what unsuccessful attempts were or just people calling saying they were thinking about it. Also there are accidental suicides as well such as people taking pills to get high that turned out to be fentanyl or something. They intentionally committed the action that caused their death but just didn't know it would.
Much appreciated writing. Especially notable as a fellow professional.
Maybe a little specific, but I super hope that as a licensed counselor, ex-clients (I'd be sure to transfer/discharge any folks before I ctb) wouldn't be contacted. Ideally not informed in any way. Same with hoping a note is respected mentioning to not put out that I died to either the clients or put it out in the news...

Anyways, my best for you in the clink!
No, most of those records would be protected by HIPAA. Its a *expletive* and a half to bypass that. Only would happen if they thought a former or current client had something to do with it.
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Thank you so much for the detailed writeup!
Tho I'd like to know: The whole process does seem a little intrusive (is that the right word for it?) to the friends/family living with the deceased with the whole body removal and taking personal belongings like phone, pc, etc... Of course I fully understand the reasons for it and I respect all the people doing the work, but is there anything the deceased (before deceasing) can do to lessen the burden and stress brought by law enforcement and EMS. Perhaps putting on a bodybag, not being upstairs ;) , leaving a note next to them, clarifying that it was without a doubt suicide... Would any of that help?

I hope this msg still makes sense now that I've translated my thoughts into words.
Other than not being upstairs, the only thing would be to leave a will but do it months before. Sometimes a hasty will right before does not hold up in court. Anything that's on you like a bag, would still be put in another body bag. Alerting to the use of fentanyl, poison gas, propane, anything combustive or poisonous really is a courtesy. I once walked into a room where for some reason the guy essentially threw fentanyl everywhere. Somehow I did not touch any of it and we had to call HAZMAT.
 
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Thank you so much for posting this. I could tell you put a lot of time into it. I learned a lot.
 
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I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write this out and explain from your pov. 🙏

I am doing my best to wrap up my affairs and make it easier for those having to take care of everything I leave behind so this helps a lot. I wish a whole investigation & autopsy didn't have to happen. I do plan to leave a note detailing it was a suicide and with what and apologizing to whoever finds me for the added trauma and thanking them for their care and will be leaving an ID out and such.

Questions:
1. Is it only medical and law enforcements and other professionals seeing the pics of you dead - like family won't see that right? Damn though I already hate that my body will have to be seen and especially naked too. Wish I could just be stuffed in a bag and all cremated as is.

2. Will they still do these whole investigation if it's written down that you committed suicide and the method? I'll literally have all my supplies in a basket next to me (so it can be easily thrown out)

3. I live alone and my apt building is locked - would it help to have a paper slipped under the door that a suicide happened and have my door unlocked? And with all that goes on, is it better to consider a hotel room? Like it seems you may be found quicker and investigation might be easier and there's usually elevators and such?

I'll follow this thread for sure and will be using it as I continue to plan to make it easier so again thank you for writing it out and answering questions.

Also… thank you so much for all that you did and especially for helping those with mental health issues / committed or attempted suicide cases. I am so grateful we have professionals to deal with the aftermath and to help our loved ones too. I'll never forget the cop who helped me during a bipolar breakdown, I think of him often - he really made a difference to me and I'm sure you have for others. I am sorry for your cop related trauma and what you are going through now and being brought to this site. Thank you 🫶🏻

P.S but dammit for recommending a Will bc it's something I really don't feel like doing 😅 I don't have a lot of belongings and feel my fam will help with whatever.
 
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ACAB, but since you're an ex cop Ill say, thank you for this surprisingly insightful read. How common would you say suicides were in a city? I dont hear much about them and from what I understood with this, its usually quite intense.

Out of curiosity will our phones and stuff be given to our family unlocked so they can do through all our messages and things? If so, how can I properly scrub my electronics? Because I know a factory reset doesn't cut it. I'll make sure to leave a very obvious note and with my pre diagnosed mental health conditions it'll be a pretty obvious suicide
Just burn your phone before you ctb or chuck the the phone in the ocean.
 
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DeathSweetDeath

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I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write this out and explain from your pov. 🙏

I am doing my best to wrap up my affairs and make it easier for those having to take care of everything I leave behind so this helps a lot. I wish a whole investigation & autopsy didn't have to happen. I do plan to leave a note detailing it was a suicide and with what and apologizing to whoever finds me for the added trauma and thanking them for their care and will be leaving an ID out and such.

Questions:
1. Is it only medical and law enforcements and other professionals seeing the pics of you dead - like family won't see that right? Damn though I already hate that my body will have to be seen and especially naked too. Wish I could just be stuffed in a bag and all cremated as is.

2. Will they still do these whole investigation if it's written down that you committed suicide and the method? I'll literally have all my supplies in a basket next to me (so it can be easily thrown out)

3. I live alone and my apt building is locked - would it help to have a paper slipped under the door that a suicide happened and have my door unlocked? And with all that goes on, is it better to consider a hotel room? Like it seems you may be found quicker and investigation might be easier and there's usually elevators and such?

I'll follow this thread for sure and will be using it as I continue to plan to make it easier so again thank you for writing it out and answering questions.

Also… thank you so much for all that you did and especially for helping those with mental health issues / committed or attempted suicide cases. I am so grateful we have professionals to deal with the aftermath and to help our loved ones too. I'll never forget the cop who helped me during a bipolar breakdown, I think of him often - he really made a difference to me and I'm sure you have for others. I am sorry for your cop related trauma and what you are going through now and being brought to this site. Thank you 🫶🏻

P.S but dammit for recommending a Will bc it's something I really don't feel like doing 😅 I don't have a lot of belongings and feel my fam will help with whatever.
I'd like to know the same, but do not forget, we will have to be identified, so a family member or friend will have to see us no matter what, even when we are found in our own homes with our ID's.
I'm also now considering leaving the door unlocked to make it that much easier.
 
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COP2CON

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Nov 29, 2025
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Thank you so much for posting this. I could tell you put a lot of time into it. I learned a lot.
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write this out and explain from your pov. 🙏

I am doing my best to wrap up my affairs and make it easier for those having to take care of everything I leave behind so this helps a lot. I wish a whole investigation & autopsy didn't have to happen. I do plan to leave a note detailing it was a suicide and with what and apologizing to whoever finds me for the added trauma and thanking them for their care and will be leaving an ID out and such.

Questions:
1. Is it only medical and law enforcements and other professionals seeing the pics of you dead - like family won't see that right? Damn though I already hate that my body will have to be seen and especially naked too. Wish I could just be stuffed in a bag and all cremated as is.

2. Will they still do these whole investigation if it's written down that you committed suicide and the method? I'll literally have all my supplies in a basket next to me (so it can be easily thrown out)

3. I live alone and my apt building is locked - would it help to have a paper slipped under the door that a suicide happened and have my door unlocked? And with all that goes on, is it better to consider a hotel room? Like it seems you may be found quicker and investigation might be easier and there's usually elevators and such?

I'll follow this thread for sure and will be using it as I continue to plan to make it easier so again thank you for writing it out and answering questions.

Also… thank you so much for all that you did and especially for helping those with mental health issues / committed or attempted suicide cases. I am so grateful we have professionals to deal with the aftermath and to help our loved ones too. I'll never forget the cop who helped me during a bipolar breakdown, I think of him often - he really made a difference to me and I'm sure you have for others. I am sorry for your cop related trauma and what you are going through now and being brought to this site. Thank you 🫶🏻

P.S but dammit for recommending a Will bc it's something I really don't feel like doing 😅 I don't have a lot of belongings and feel my fam will help with whatever.
Forgive me as I'm in a rush to do some stuff before lock down.
1.Family can see pictures if they request. If you were identifiable, we did not require family identification like on TV. Having State Issued ID beside the deceased helped.
2.Fullminvestigation no matter what. Might be able to expedite some parts but full regardless.
3. Hotel not a good idea as not everyone can take seeing it so a maid might flip out. We had a maintenance guy wig out and we followed him for 3 miles before he stopped running. I don't have a good answer for you but making it known somehow and requesting someone notifupy emergency services is a best bet. Unlocked doors expedite things as well.
 
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Do you have an advice for how I can destroy all my data from my phone? I plan to delete all the back ups, all the iCloud stuff then lock out from apple id and then delete the whole phone BUT unfortunately apple will keep those data for at least 30 days until it'll be fully deleted. So after I deleted everything my plan was actually to just hide the phone somewhere in the house.
Now lets imagine the cops find the phone could they just rebuild everything on it because some physical thing is in the phone which saves everything?
I live in Germany and I really can't believe any EU country has the power to force apple to give them any data they can't even tax big tech from the silicon valley so how could they force apple to go give them the data pf someone who used apple products
 
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Sincerely, thank you taking the time and effort to write this. It's very admirable of you, especially under your circumstance, to choose to dedicate your time to helping inform people about this topic when you could have allocated that time towards your own welfare instead. I hope you in turn find what you are looking for here.

I've read all the other posts in this thread up until this point, and to the best of my knowledge these questions have not been asked yet, but if I missed something and any were in fact already answered I apologize. That being said, I have a number of questions that I - and I'm sure many others - would appreciate your insight into. Questions are numbered for the sake of convenience/reference.


1.) If I died in a hotel, but my laptop and other electronics are in my home in a different city, will police go into the home and take those electronics as part of the investigation, and if so will they keep it indefinitely or return it to a family member? If I hide my laptop, could its location be tracked somehow?

2.) When a suicide occurs in a hotel room, would the investigative procedure involve looking over the cameras' footage?

3.) If you die in a different city than where you or your family lives, will the police local to the immediate family's place of residence be the ones to inform them in person, or will it be done over the phone by law enforcement local to the scene of the incident (the agency that is responsible for investigating the body)? Or both?

4.) I plan to leave notes for my family who will find it the day of the incident. I really hope to have finished the deed by the time of discovery, but it's possible I don't make it in time. How quickly do you think the police from my family's residence would be able to find my location? How quickly would they contact police of the city of which I attempted?

5.)
Pretty much everyone you have associated with will be contacted. Family, friends, work mates, neighbors, everyone recent in your phone, sometimes even people you have emailed.
About how soon after discovery of the death are the associates contacted, and how - by text, or by call? Are they legally obligated to respond, or can they just ignore the attempt to make contact?

6.) How thoroughly would the content of the phone or other electronic devices be looked through? Browsing history? Social media accounts? Would these very messages be read?

7.) Are police able to actively track your phone's exact location by searching the phone number in a database, if they are made aware of one's plan or attempted suicide? Can they freely do this anytime, or would they require a warrant to do so (and if so, could this be granted quickly or would it take a long time)? Is there any way to mitigate phone or other electronics tracking capabilities that you are aware of? Do you know if a faraday cage would work to stop tracking capabilities?

8.) In another thread you mentioned that when the phone is found, it is "put into airplane mode and bagged." If my phone is found inside a faraday cage, do you know if the procedure is still to remove the phone from the bag and put it into airplane mode or would they leave it in the bag? I'm asking because I plan to have scheduled messages sent out to a few people, as I don't want to preemptively send out the messages (in case I fail). But due to the risk of my phone potentially being tracked, I had the aforementioned idea to put it into a faraday cage to potentially mitigate cell tower or stingray tracking. On the other hand though, if the phone is never taken out of the cage, the messages would never get sent out. But if police can't just track my phone willy nilly and would require a warrant or significant time to track the location, then I suppose I would avoid the faraday cage idea altogether.

9.) Who has to foot the bill for the cleanup/investigation of a successful suicide in a hotel room - the family of the deceased? Can the parent(s) even legally be held financially responsible for their adult child who did this without their knowledge? Or would the hotel have to pay for it?

10.) For a death by gun, do you know of any way to make it as clean as possible so the cleanup doesn't cost a fortune like you said it sometimes does? Would having a tarp around you and on the floor, for instance, help to prevent significant cleanup costs or would it still be expensive regardless?

11.) For the sake of buying time for myself in case law enforcement is somehow made aware of my plan before I'm ready and tries to quickly enter the room, I plan to lock the door of the hotel room and put the latch on. Did you have any cases at hotels where the room was latch-locked and you couldn't enter peacefully? If so did you have to use a battering ram, or did you rope down to the balcony from the room above, or what was the method?

12.)
Other than not being upstairs, the only thing would be to leave a will but do it months before. Sometimes a hasty will right before does not hold up in court.
By a 'will,' I assume you mean a last will and testament correct? Or did you mean a simple note affirming the death to be suicide? From my understanding, writing a will and testament requires 2 witnesses to sign off on it. Since I can't ask people I know as that would set off red flags, I guess I would have to hire random people to be witnesses. Would doing this implicate them in the investigation? Is there any ethical way to make a will in this circumstance, you think?


if I'm lucky, maybe this will be a sticky and my life will be complete as I will be forever immortal.
I too have a desire to contribute meaningfully to this community before departing if I get the chance, and had the abstract idea to make a thread cataloging the more technical and preparatory info related to suicide (writing a will, encrypted communication, using advanced search engine techniques, etc). It's currently a bunch of haphazard notes and I don't know if I will have the wherewithal to turn it into a draft, but if I ever get around to it, I'll most definitely add this to the thread. This is really useful information that could be helpful to a lot of people, so one way or another, I hope the community preserves your effort with this thread.

I understand you need to be careful and you have limited time each day to respond, so if you need to take more time to adequately respond I totally understand. Thank you in advance.
 
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Do you have an advice for how I can destroy all my data from my phone? I plan to delete all the back ups, all the iCloud stuff then lock out from apple id and then delete the whole phone BUT unfortunately apple will keep those data for at least 30 days until it'll be fully deleted. So after I deleted everything my plan was actually to just hide the phone somewhere in the house.
Now lets imagine the cops find the phone could they just rebuild everything on it because some physical thing is in the phone which saves everything?
I live in Germany and I really can't believe any EU country has the power to force apple to give them any data they can't even tax big tech from the silicon valley so how could they force apple to go give them the data pf someone who used apple products
Unfortunately I dont have a good answer other than either high heat or a strong magnet. I have been locked up awhile and technology changes every day so I'm not really well versed in it. Usually any technology works for a short time after its new. After that, there are hackers who's whole job is to find ways into things for law enforcement. Again, I wish I had a better answer.
 
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Sincerely, thank you taking the time and effort to write this. It's very admirable of you, especially under your circumstance, to choose to dedicate your time to helping inform people about this topic when you could have allocated that time towards your own welfare instead. I hope you in turn find what you are looking for here.

I've read all the other posts in this thread up until this point, and to the best of my knowledge these questions have not been asked yet, but if I missed something and any were in fact already answered I apologize. That being said, I have a number of questions that I - and I'm sure many others - would appreciate your insight into. Questions are numbered for the sake of convenience/reference.


1.) If I died in a hotel, but my laptop and other electronics are in my home in a different city, will police go into the home and take those electronics as part of the investigation, and if so will they keep it indefinitely or return it to a family member? If I hide my laptop, could its location be tracked somehow?

2.) When a suicide occurs in a hotel room, would the investigative procedure involve looking over the cameras' footage?

3.) If you die in a different city than where you or your family lives, will the police local to the immediate family's place of residence be the ones to inform them in person, or will it be done over the phone by law enforcement local to the scene of the incident (the agency that is responsible for investigating the body)? Or both?

4.) I plan to leave notes for my family who will find it the day of the incident. I really hope to have finished the deed by the time of discovery, but it's possible I don't make it in time. How quickly do you think the police from my family's residence would be able to find my location? How quickly would they contact police of the city of which I attempted?

5.)

About how soon after discovery of the death are the associates contacted, and how - by text, or by call? Are they legally obligated to respond, or can they just ignore the attempt to make contact?

6.) How thoroughly would the content of the phone or other electronic devices be looked through? Browsing history? Social media accounts? Would these very messages be read?

7.) Are police able to actively track your phone's exact location by searching the phone number in a database, if they are made aware of one's plan or attempted suicide? Can they freely do this anytime, or would they require a warrant to do so (and if so, could this be granted quickly or would it take a long time)?Is there any way to mitigate phone or other electronics tracking capabilities that you are aware of? Do you know if a faraday cage would work to stop tracking capabilities?

8.) In another thread you mentioned that when the phone is found, it is "put into airplane mode and bagged." If my phone is found inside a faraday cage, do you know if the procedure is still to remove the phone from the bag and put it into airplane mode or would they leave it in the bag? I'm asking because I plan to have scheduled messages sent out to a few people, as I don't want to preemptively send out the messages (in case I fail). But due to the risk of my phone potentially being tracked, I had the aforementioned idea to put it into a faraday cage to potentially mitigate cell tower or stingray tracking. On the other hand though, if the phone is never taken out of the cage, the messages would never get sent out. But if police can't just track my phone willy nilly and would require a warrant or significant time to track the location, then I suppose I would avoid the faraday cage idea altogether.

9.) Who has to foot the bill for the cleanup/investigation of a successful suicide in a hotel room - the family of the deceased? Can the parent(s) even legally be held financially responsible for their adult child who did this without their knowledge? Or would the hotel have to pay for it?

10.) For a death by gun, do you know of any way to make it as clean as possible so the cleanup doesn't cost a fortune like you said it sometimes does? Would having a tarp around you and on the floor, for instance, help to prevent significant cleanup costs or would it still be expensive regardless?

11.) For the sake of buying time for myself in case law enforcement is somehow made aware of my plan before I'm ready and tries to quickly enter the room, I plan to lock the door of the hotel room and put the latch on. Did you have any cases at hotels where the room was latch-locked and you couldn't enter peacefully? If so did you have to use a battering ram, or did you rope down to the balcony from the room above, or what was the method?

12.)

By a 'will,' I assume you mean a last will and testament correct? Or did you mean a simple note affirming the death to be suicide? From my understanding, writing a will and testament requires 2 witnesses to sign off on it. Since I can't ask people I know as that would set off red flags, I guess I would have to hire random people to be witnesses. Would doing this implicate them in the investigation? Is there any ethical way to make a will in this circumstance, you think?



I too have a desire to contribute meaningfully to this community before departing if I get the chance, and had the abstract idea to make a thread cataloging the more technical and preparatory info related to suicide (writing a will, encrypted communication, using advanced search engine techniques, etc). It's currently a bunch of haphazard notes and I don't know if I will have the wherewithal to turn it into a draft, but if I ever get around to it, I'll most definitely add this to the thread. This is really useful information that could be helpful to a lot of people, so one way or another, I hope the community preserves your effort with this thread.

I understand you need to be careful and you have limited time each day to respond, so if you need to take more time to adequately respond I totally understand. Thank you in advance.
Appreciate the kind words. Sorry for the delay, internet kept going out before I could respond.

1. No matter where you die, usually they will try to search your residence. Either with a warrant or consent from next of kin. You essentially have no privacy rights once deceased. The only way around this sometimes is if the death occurs in another state. Its hard to coordinate like that so sometimes its put on the back burner so to say.

2. Yes, we would download the footage and watch it later.

3. If next of kin is somewhere other than where the incident location is, usually law enforcement where ever the family is will make the notification. We would give them our dispatch number and the coroner number if they wanted to call with questions who they always did.

4. It would be within minutes. If someone reports it say to me, I would have the local law enforcement for your area contacted immediately and have someone dispatched to your location. Maybe 2-3 minutes and then however long their response time is. 99%.of the time, law enforcement is not responding from the station. We are driving around so response time can be 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

5. Usually we contacted next of kin after the coroner took the body. There is no way around it and someone will always be contacted. Unless it is extreme circumtances, the notification is in person. There are several reasons for this but really it doesn't matter as its going to be done no matter what.

6. Everything downloaded would be reviewed but for instance sometimes you could see someone accessed a site like SaSu with dates and times. Messages may be stored on SaSu server rather than the computer or other device resulting in a warrant needed to obtain the message records. I'll say it here, I never thoroughly reviewed the data, that was a detective and if follow up was warranted, I would be notified. It was a personal thing with me that I wanted to work as much of all of my personal cases as possible. I got to work with investigators and do what they did but data review can take hours. I just plain did not have to time to that stuff. Some nights (I was night shift) I might personally go to more than 100 calls for service. Even if some are for a few minutes, it adds up.

7. Very good question. We could use a program called TLO that gave us information but it was far easier to have dispatch contact the phone carrier and they would "ping" your phone or show where and when the last ping was. All it required was a quick form to fill out. Took like 5 minutes total to get the ping returned. Its called "exigent circumstances" and requires no warrant in the US generally. If there is a credible threat to life, that's all it takes. Its used for other things as well like when I had a lady and her baby abducted at gun point. We pinged her cell, found it had been thrown out a window.

Note: if the situation warranted, law enforcement can also write up a quick warrant to see all other phones that pinged in the same area at the same time. So if a phone pinged 3 feet away at the same time, they can figure out someone was there and go talk to them or more if they believe a crime may have occurred. Only ways I know around it are either using like a Faraday bag (I think they are called that) so the phone receives no signal at all or by taking the battery out. I forgot how often phones naturally ping but its fairly regularly so you would pretty much have to leave your phone at home or just not use it for a whole day.

8. If a credible threat to your life (even by you) is identified, then its easy to get it tracked. So for the bag, it probably wouldn't be opened at least until an investigator arrived but possibly not until at the station. It really depends on a lot because it might work with the text messages but it might not. For example, one place I worked, we got zero service in the evidence room so if they opened the bag with your phone there nothing would be able to be sent out before the put it in airplane mode or shut it off completely. I don't have a good answer as there are too many factors at play.

9. Depends on the place but generally here the hotel would have the option of filing a claim on the estate of the deceased in probate court. All wills and estate matters are usually handled in probate court. The matter would go before a judge who could decide to have the descendants property auction off to pay for the damage. The hotel could also file an insurance claim to deal with it but may be required to pay deposits, miniumus, premiums, etc that they could file on as well. The family is not held responsible unless its proven in court that maybe they knew and did nothing or contributed in some way. Depending on method it can get very pricey for clean up. A HAZMAT situation can easily go over $50,000 while a plain "fall asleep" type death my just result in a new blanket and sheets.

10. Death by gun is tricky. If the heart beats even once after a GSW occurs, blood goes everywhere. I have seen several where there was no more than a drop of blood and all were murders where the murderer got a crazy lucky shot. Anything in the head is messy no matter what and with a big chance at either ending up a vegetable or with no face. I have seen a few suck start a shotgun the wrong way and blow the front of their face off, we have one here in the area I'm locked up in. I have seen bullets miss the brain and hit the spinal cord and paralyze someone as well as bullets pass through, hitting nothing important, and exit out the back of the head with no more damage than a hole you can stick a pinky finger in, alive and speaking mind you. Tarps can mitigate some clean up but unless you tarp the whole room, there will be atleast some clean up. Blood spray goes EVERYWHERE and some states have such strong laws/ordnances regarding that stuff that it can still be hefty.

11. Lol nothing dramatic like that. A simple kick to the lock area of the door, if done correctly, is the ultimate key. In a worst case scenario like a SWAT call, they could blow a door but that's so dangerous its not worth it. If your not too far up, we may climb up balconies and break the glass door or call Fire to borrow their saws-all. Generally though, for a hotel would ts easy to get in. Some no longer have latches like they once did and its all operated with your room card. I would just go to the front desk and borrow the master card and go in.

12. Yes I meant last will and testament. Here, literally anyone can sign. I got two random inmates to sign mine and its legal. Your states probate court website or local probate attorney websites should give you the information needed. The reason to have one is families will sometimes fight over the dumbest stuff. "I want so and so's Motley Crue t-shirt", "no I want it!" Its stupid. It wouldn't implicate any witness signers at all other than maybe law enforcement may interview them just to see what's up.

Note: regarding the specifics of this post, the questioner is obviously considering the location of a hotel. Remember that in the US, a significant of people who clean the rooms and other jobs are undocumented migrants. In this country, depending on the area, if say one of these immigrants found you. Law enforcement would show up, interview the person, and in a lot of areas detain them for ICE. Its a point to consider if trying to be courteous to others. Bet y'all thought ole COP2CON didn't care about people like that :-)

So pretty sticky worthy thread if I say so myself....eh? :-p

Hope this has been enlightening.
 
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Thank you for sharing your expertise. From what I think could tell t's not uncommon for users here to operate under the assumption that certain investigative steps wouldn't be taken especially if suicide was "obvious".

It's extremely unfortunate that a voluntary rational death has to be carried out in clandestine circumstances that would necessitate all this intrusion as well as the many sorts of impositions on the living. I wish it weren't so.

As far as choosing to die in the interior of a building goes personally I can't help but feel weird about it unless you yourself are the owner of it.

It sounds like physically destroying your electronics and discarding them faraway might be the way to go if you really want to safeguard their contents.

And just focusing on your past police work, it sounds like you were always very sensitive about people who carried out either failed suicide attempts or successful ones in the way all cops should be.
 
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Soooooo informative. Thanks for your time answering these!

Regarding the hotel situation: that is like my worst nightmare if someone would be blamed for my suicide. That's really horrific about hotel workers :/

1. What about if someone lives alone and rents their place? Would neighbors, landlords, maintenance people be questioned?

2. Regarding police being able to access Sasu - what if you use the incognito/private browser?

3. And what is being investigated? Cause of death, how, and do they care about the why? I want to spell it out so what would make them know it's a suicide with the least amount of investigation?

4. What's the most common suicide methods you came across?

5. What kinds of questions would police ask coworkers, family, and friends?

Again, appreciate it and hope things are going okay on your end 🤍
 
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what is done with the suicide note, in the even there is one
 
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Thank you for sharing your expertise. From what I think could tell t's not uncommon for users here to operate under the assumption that certain investigative steps wouldn't be taken especially if suicide was "obvious".

It's extremely unfortunate that a voluntary rational death has to be carried out in clandestine circumstances that would necessitate all this intrusion as well as the many sorts of impositions on the living. I wish it weren't so.

As far as choosing to die in the interior of a building goes personally I can't help but feel weird about it unless you yourself are the owner of it.

It sounds like physically destroying your electronics and discarding them faraway might be the way to go if you really want to safeguard their contents.

And just focusing on your past police work, it sounds like you were always very sensitive about people who carried out either failed suicide attempts or successful ones in the way all cops should be.
Appreciate your kind words. Yes I was the cop sitting there with someone hugging them, letting them snot all over me lol.
Soooooo informative. Thanks for your time answering these!

Regarding the hotel situation: that is like my worst nightmare if someone would be blamed for my suicide. That's really horrific about hotel workers :/

1. What about if someone lives alone and rents their place? Would neighbors, landlords, maintenance people be questioned?

2. Regarding police being able to access Sasu - what if you use the incognito/private browser?

3. And what is being investigated? Cause of death, how, and do they care about the why? I want to spell it out so what would make them know it's a suicide with the least amount of investigation?

4. What's the most common suicide methods you came across?

5. What kinds of questions would police ask coworkers, family, and friends?

Again, appreciate it and hope things are going okay on your end 🤍
Hello!

1. Yes, yes, maybe. Neighbors for sure, land lord for sure because its their property. Anyone else depends on what develops during the investigation. The goal is find the "why", even if someone left a not saying why. Everything is investigated and verified.

2. Your probably good. Usually its not going to be a super thorough review, not enough to try for thast kind of stuff. Texts, social media, pictures, browsing history. If stuff red flags or maybe staff doesn't add up, then yeah it might become a more detailed search through the data.

3. The investigation is everything. Who died, why did they die, how did the die, when did they die. Even if its obvious and spelled out, it still is all investigated to ensure its whatever it is. Suicides, accidents, etc turn out to be murders every day. Also, what I said before about CYA, families love to point the finger and try to sue public safety no matter the reason. I had one lady yell at me thast it wouldn't have happened if I was patrolling. Considering I was patrolling over 100 square miles that night and the fact her loved one died by OD in a windowless basement, I beg to differ. No family member wants to accept suicide and even after a thorough investigation saying it was, most still refuse to believe it. The will do anything, including attempting civil action, to pass the blame.

4. OD's both accidental and intentional followed by GSW's (gun shot wounds) also both accidental and intentional. Lots of accidental suicides if you can believe it. Didn't get to go but saw the report and pictures from a gnarley helium hood case. It defied the laws of science.

5. Had they noticed anything weird with the decedent like mood changes, talk of suicide, etc maybe more if more stuff was suspected. Ask everyone about other friends and family members, work associates etc. I talked to a gas station clerk once just because the guy went in their daily. No real reason other than being thorough. CYA.

Appreciate it.
what is done with the suicide note, in the even there is one
Usually kept in evidence. Sometimes scanned and copies given to family if they want. I had a few that wanted to know what a note said but didntwant the note themselves. Also, most of us would not tell someone it was their fault. Obviously they could find a way to see a note if they wanted but if they asked me, I'd be super vague and never straight up tell a person they were being blamed.
Sorry, normally i have been replying to everyone's questions but I saw something in another thread that needs to be here.

Any death with a firearm will require the firearm to be run in NCIC and state systems if available./Usually the ATF will be contacted and asked to run a trace on the firearm. If the purchaser different than the decedent then the purchaser can be subject to investigation as well especially if the decedent was not legally allowed to own a firearm. If one buys a firearm for another it is called a "straw purchase" and is punishable by up to 15 years and prison and up to a $250,000 fine for the purchaser.

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Sorry for the delay, internet kept going out before I could respond.
No worries, I understand it takes time to write these.

Thank you for the detailed response. I do have some follow-up questions.

~ 1.) Let's say I hide my laptop(s) and any other electronics that I don't take with me really well, either in the residence or underground somewhere in the woods away from my residence and the police are unable to physically find it. Would they attempt to geo-locate it somehow? And if they do find laptops etc would they return it to next of kin or hold onto it as evidence indefinitely?

Related to this - If I drain my debit card by withdrawing all the cash either the day of or perhaps a few days prior (and leaving it in the house along with the note), would that be cause for some sort of extra investigation or sweep into the finances of my family even if by the time LE arrives the cash is gone so it's not obvious I'm the one who left it? Or if they find the cash before it was moved (and they figured it was mine due to the proximity to the suicide notes) would they seize it and keep it?

When LE searches the address, would they search all the bedrooms or just what belonged to the decedent? Are the other residents allowed to move things first for privacy reasons? If let's say they found money in a closet (not mine) would they take it for some reason?


~ 2.) Just to be clear, are you referring to mounted hotel camera footage here? I realized didn't clearly specify that, so I'm clarifying that now in case you may have read it as cell phone's camera footage.

Let's say someone enters my room (after I've paid for the room) who isn't a hotel employee. If the camera footage is reviewed and the investigator sees this, will that person definitely be tried to be identified and contacted in person? Do you know if they could be identified just by camera footage?

Have you or your colleagues ever found anything of interest from hotel camera footage?


~ 4.) I just wanna make sure I'm understanding the timeline of events correctly. From the point that local police are first contacted by someone who discovers my note, to the point that the police of the city I attempt in are made aware of my phone's last location (not including the time it takes for them to reach my physical location as this can vary), it would likely take how long exactly? 5-10 minutes?


~ 5.) I was specifically interested in people I texted and emailed, since you mentioned "Pretty much everyone you have associated with will be contacted. Family, friends, work mates, neighbors, everyone recent in your phone, sometimes even people you have emailed." If let's say I text 20 people that day, would all of those 20 people be visited and interviewed in person?

Would contact only be made if there was reason to suspect they may have been involved in the suicide somehow? Or are they always contacted as a matter of policy regardless?


~ 9.)
The matter would go before a judge who could decide to have the descendants property auction off to pay for the damage.
Was this a typo - did you mean to say decedent or descendants? If it wasn't a typo and you really meant descendant, you're saying that the judge could hold the parents or other heirs of the decedent financially responsible for any damages caused by their relative's suicide (even if no connection to the suicide is found)? I assume it was a typo because in the same paragraph you say that the family is not held financially responsible.

But at any rate, if the hotel files a claim and I don't have any obvious targets of value (like property or significant remaining digital assets), would they still somehow find a way to get my family to pay for the damages? Would my random possessions like laptops and such be forced to be sold? Or at that point and if the damages cannot be fully covered from my end, would the hotel or the city/state foot the bill, if the family indeed cannot be held financially responsible?


~ 10.) The conventional wisdom that I've seen here in discussion of suicide by gun is that bullet contact with the brainstem means guaranteed instant death, and in gun guides (here, here) it's commonly advised to aim for the brainstem.

By any chance, do you know if this is accurate? For your investigations that involved death by gun, do you happen to remember where the shot was when it was fatal vs when it failed? Or would that info be impossible to determine after the fact / it wasn't something you were made aware of as part of your job?

If a GSW death occurs in let's say a small enclosed room, such as a bathroom, and I tarp up the whole bathroom, would that be enough to mitigate the massive cleanup fee you think?


~ 11.)
Some no longer have latches like they once did and its all operated with your room card.
For this reason, I am thinking to bring a door brace so it requires a little extra effort.


~ 12.)
I got two random inmates to sign mine and its legal.
Just wondering, how did you make your will? Did you write it by hand with pen and paper in prison? Or did you print out a template, or something else? I've only started to research writing a will recently, and it seems like for many people they get it done professionally and it's a whole long process. I read that notarization of will may be important to validate the will in court or something like that, so I'm wondering if that may be valid enough over having to wait ideally several months beforehand for it to count in court like you said.

May I also ask why you wrote a will (what you intend to pass on)? I'm asking to see if perhaps it would apply to me or not.


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In this country, depending on the area, if say one of these immigrants found you. Law enforcement would show up, interview the person, and in a lot of areas detain them for ICE. Its a point to consider if trying to be courteous to others.
I don't see how this could happen at least in my case, because the door will be locked for one, I'll have the do not disturb sign on, and leave no obvious indications from outside the room that an attempted suicide is about to occur or has occurred in that room specifically. Am I missing something?

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Some unrelated, more personal questions I'm curious about if you don't mind sharing:

1.) How is the food? I've heard horror stories that prisons, specifically private prisons, try to cut costs to remain profitable in all kinds of crazy ways such as using non-human-grade food. Do you smuggle food? Since you were able to sneak a phone in there successfully and kept it secret for this long, I'd imagine you could also sneak food in.

2.) Are the guards dumb-dumb? I remember listening to a podcast that featured someone who did prison time, and he said that many of the guards couldn't even read and had to have the inmates do mail call for them. Idk if this is normal in the US or if it was specific to that part of the US where he was in prison, so I'm curious what your experience with the guards has been.

3.) How do you get along with the other inmates? Do you get threatened a lot? I'd imagine that ex-cops are generally not viewed favorably in the prison hierarchy, but hopefully not as bad as chomos and rats.

4.) How did you discover sasu?
 
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So what can I do for LEOs and FRs to establish beyond a shadow of a doubt that my death was a suicide to expedite the process as much as possible? Removing all ambiguity, other than the fact that I use this website without a VPN or privacy.
 
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Forgive me, I feel I need to elaborate. I did not mean to try to strong arm people away from their decision. I know some people want to try to think of everything and my thoughts on the matter were just an addition. I said what I said about first responders because yes, we were told we may see bad things. Sure enough you have fatality wrecks, workplace accidents, murders, etc. What I was trying to get across I guess is that if someone is really planning it out there are a few courtesies thast can be done such as note placement and even putting method in the note. If I kick down a door, I usually had no idea what was on the other side. An OD was not as bad as a hanging, a 9mm to the brain not as bad as a 12 gauge, slitting wrists not as bad as a throat. While getting slimmer, a fair amount of public safety do it just to help people. I took a pay cut to be a cop and actually qualified for food stamps at one time. I have said it before, I respect peoples decisions and I do understand. I have thought about suicide every day for 30 years with no explainantion. I have had guns in my mouth, self harmed, been hospitalized in a mental hospital twice, OD'd once. I get it. But some of this is important to others and sometimes people are curious of the other side. I fully agree with you that there should be government run, good treatment facilities. Most of the owned including my state are hell holes and I hated having to people there. It took me hours to write this and it was a lot for me to try to put into the right words and I do apologive for how some of it sounds. I just wanted everyone to understand. Would not seeing some of that affected me different? Maybe, but I'm thinking of people down the line now even though Imno longer a supported of law enforcement. I know the thoughts and feelings I have felt for many years I wouldn't wish on anyone. I appreciate you pointing it out, I posted this very early in the morning and obviously missed my mark in some areas lol.

No, not every hospital has a psych ward, I had to transport involuntary commitments to facilities all over my state. Its the duty of law enforcement unless an approved transport company is used.

No, not every hospital has a psych ward, I had to transport involuntary commitments to facilities all over my state. Its the duty of law enforcement unless an approved transport company is used.
With data I'm not 100% sure on the companies anymore and their policies. Usually by then the case was with an investigator to do the boringstuff and I would follow up later to see what was found. They get to sit in offices all day doing their work while I had to work all my cases from my Charger.

For a failed suicide which is usually the majority of suicide calls, person goes to the hospital. They are put under observation by security and/or law enforcement until they can he dischsrged. Usually an involuntary commitment is signed on them and they are sent to a psych ward if the hospital has one or transported by law enforcement or a designated transport company to another facility. If transported by law enforcement for any reason usually is policy to handcuff. Usual initial involuntary commitment is for 72 hours with a doctor at the facility deciding if it should be longer.

Least messed up death is hard because people can die that same way but have different reactions. One might take fentanyl and look like he's sleeping while another may have vommitted or rolled off the bed and hit their head, etc.

Hanging usually leaves a mark and the neck is elongated. It's weird looking. Sometimes some vomit comes out onthem and the eyes are bulged.
Did you ever see a suicide with a 357? That was my weapon of choice. Is it as bad as a 12 gauge? Just morbid curiosity.
 
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No worries, I understand it takes time to write these.

Thank you for the detailed response. I do have some follow-up questions.

~ 1.) Let's say I hide my laptop(s) and any other electronics that I don't take with me really well, either in the residence or underground somewhere in the woods away from my residence and the police are unable to physically find it. Would they attempt to geo-locate it somehow? And if they do find laptops etc would they return it to next of kin or hold onto it as evidence indefinitely?

Related to this - If I drain my debit card by withdrawing all the cash either the day of or perhaps a few days prior (and leaving it in the house along with the note), would that be cause for some sort of extra investigation or sweep into the finances of my family even if by the time LE arrives the cash is gone so it's not obvious I'm the one who left it? Or if they find the cash before it was moved (and they figured it was mine due to the proximity to the suicide notes) would they seize it and keep it?

When LE searches the address, would they search all the bedrooms or just what belonged to the decedent? Are the other residents allowed to move things first for privacy reasons? If let's say they found money in a closet (not mine) would they take it for some reason?


~ 2.) Just to be clear, are you referring to mounted hotel camera footage here? I realized didn't clearly specify that, so I'm clarifying that now in case you may have read it as cell phone's camera footage.

Let's say someone enters my room (after I've paid for the room) who isn't a hotel employee. If the camera footage is reviewed and the investigator sees this, will that person definitely be tried to be identified and contacted in person? Do you know if they could be identified just by camera footage?

Have you or your colleagues ever found anything of interest from hotel camera footage?


~ 4.) I just wanna make sure I'm understanding the timeline of events correctly. From the point that local police are first contacted by someone who discovers my note, to the point that the police of the city I attempt in are made aware of my phone's last location (not including the time it takes for them to reach my physical location as this can vary), it would likely take how long exactly? 5-10 minutes?


~ 5.) I was specifically interested in people I texted and emailed, since you mentioned "Pretty much everyone you have associated with will be contacted. Family, friends, work mates, neighbors, everyone recent in your phone, sometimes even people you have emailed." If let's say I text 20 people that day, would all of those 20 people be visited and interviewed in person?

Would contact only be made if there was reason to suspect they may have been involved in the suicide somehow? Or are they always contacted as a matter of policy regardless?


~ 9.)

Was this a typo - did you mean to say decedent or descendants? If it wasn't a typo and you really meant descendant, you're saying that the judge could hold the parents or other heirs of the decedent financially responsible for any damages caused by their relative's suicide (even if no connection to the suicide is found)? I assume it was a typo because in the same paragraph you say that the family is not held financially responsible.

But at any rate, if the hotel files a claim and I don't have any obvious targets of value (like property or significant remaining digital assets), would they still somehow find a way to get my family to pay for the damages? Would my random possessions like laptops and such be forced to be sold? Or at that point and if the damages cannot be fully covered from my end, would the hotel or the city/state foot the bill, if the family indeed cannot be held financially responsible?


~ 10.) The conventional wisdom that I've seen here in discussion of suicide by gun is that bullet contact with the brainstem means guaranteed instant death, and in gun guides (here, here) it's commonly advised to aim for the brainstem.

By any chance, do you know if this is accurate? For your investigations that involved death by gun, do you happen to remember where the shot was when it was fatal vs when it failed? Or would that info be impossible to determine after the fact / it wasn't something you were made aware of as part of your job?

If a GSW death occurs in let's say a small enclosed room, such as a bathroom, and I tarp up the whole bathroom, would that be enough to mitigate the massive cleanup fee you think?


~ 11.)

For this reason, I am thinking to bring a door brace so it requires a little extra effort.


~ 12.)

Just wondering, how did you make your will? Did you write it by hand with pen and paper in prison? Or did you print out a template, or something else? I've only started to research writing a will recently, and it seems like for many people they get it done professionally and it's a whole long process. I read that notarization of will may be important to validate the will in court or something like that, so I'm wondering if that may be valid enough over having to wait ideally several months beforehand for it to count in court like you said.

May I also ask why you wrote a will (what you intend to pass on)? I'm asking to see if perhaps it would apply to me or not.


~

I don't see how this could happen at least in my case, because the door will be locked for one, I'll have the do not disturb sign on, and leave no obvious indications from outside the room that an attempted suicide is about to occur or has occurred in that room specifically. Am I missing something?

-----

Some unrelated, more personal questions I'm curious about if you don't mind sharing:

1.) How is the food? I've heard horror stories that prisons, specifically private prisons, try to cut costs to remain profitable in all kinds of crazy ways such as using non-human-grade food. Do you smuggle food? Since you were able to sneak a phone in there successfully and kept it secret for this long, I'd imagine you could also sneak food in.

2.) Are the guards dumb-dumb? I remember listening to a podcast that featured someone who did prison time, and he said that many of the guards couldn't even read and had to have the inmates do mail call for them. Idk if this is normal in the US or if it was specific to that part of the US where he was in prison, so I'm curious what your experience with the guards has been.

3.) How do you get along with the other inmates? Do you get threatened a lot? I'd imagine that ex-cops are generally not viewed favorably in the prison hierarchy, but hopefully not as bad as chomos and rats.

4.) How did you discover sasu?

Hello again.


1. If there is no devices with you, at the scene, or at your residence they will ask about any devices with family/friends but usually nothing more than that. For things that ping off cell towers like phones, they will check the last ping but that's about it.

All property found is usually returned to family. We even gave back guns used in suicides on a couple of occasions. If a electronic device is found, it will be given back unless illegal stuff is found on it. It becomes contraband and cannot be returned. It will then be destroyed at a later date.

For money, if they found out what bank you use they may pull financial records and if they see it was zeroed out without explanation, they would investigate. They would question friends and family to see where it went. If we found money, we would count it many times, bag it, wait for evidence to confirm it as a non suspicious death, and then return it to the family upon completion or near completion of the investigation.

If person lived in a house with others then usually a warrant might be for just the bedroom of the decedent and maybe common/communal areas that could be accessed by decedent. Anything (including money) can be seized if it is found in an area approved in the warrant. If for some reason money was found in a closet, not in your room, and for some reason covered under the warrant then yes it could be seized. More than likely if its not yours, the owner will claim it and it will be returned.

Note: let me pause here to address something. The harder someone tries to hide things, the more law enforcement will look. Its called "suspicious activity" and its a question mark on the case. Everyone needs to get it out of their mind that if they say things in a note and hide things that law enforcement will just say "OK" and move on. It will be investigated to see if the evidence corroborates or not. An unnatural death is kind of a big deal in the scope of things in the law enforcement world.

2. Yes, C.C.T.V footage from the hotel would be downloaded to a thumb drive or burned to a disc and reviewed later.

Yes attempts would be made to identify and interview the person. You ALWAYS identify and interview the last person who saw the decedent, not deceased. Identification depends on how good a shot the cameras got. There are many ways to try to identify someone but it all depends on the circumstances of the case and if the resources are warranted.

Yes but it was not a suicide. We identified a murderer who shot up a room. I actually never had anyone CTB in a hotel room. Had some accidental od's but that's it. Downloaded the camera footage but they were in the rooms by themselves and just took to much or got something stronger than they were use to.

4. Can't tell you. Could be 3 minutes, could be 3 hours. There are soooooooooo many factors that come into play. Its impossible to say. Probably as little as 2-3 minutes with the unknown being how long on top of that.

5. Usually for most people, we would call and ask them to call back to be interviewed over the phone unless we suspected something more. Family and room mates usually in person as we had to see them in person anyway. For texting 20 people, they might read the texts and determine only a few need to be contacted. Maybe they contact all 20, would depend if they suspected something or if the just want to be thorough.

9. It was a typo, decedent's estate could be held responsible. Most of the question here you would have to Google your states probate/estate laws laws. It can be little different everywhere. I know e basics but alas I was but a poor, dumb cop and not a lawyer. I just know what I wrote before. The most likely scenario if your estate wouldn't have alot of money, the hotel would have to file an insurance claim and deal with it themselves.

10. Aiming for the brain stem can cause instant death but a lot of people do not hit it. A sudden flinch or twitch and now someone has an extra hole and are still very much alive. I have seen it with many calibers hit in many areas, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Unless the entire head explodes, you can track the wound channel.

I'm not sure about tarps, something is better than nothing for most things in life. Blood had a habit of literally getting everywhere. Servpro will come out regardless and have a set fee just to show up. The hotel themselves will not clean it up.

11. No comment needed from me.

12. Just used templates and hand wrote. I forgot it does need to be notorized with the witnesses. We had an employee here notorize it. If the will is done correctly and is valid then when its probated it makes it easier instead of everyone arguing to get what they want. You can get one professionally done but last time I checked, quicken will maker was like $20. As long as your stuff is not complicated then is OK.

I made a will so that whatever funds I have left will be given to a friend who has had a hard time in life. She has a kid now and we don't talk much but she could use a little help.


If no one comes after hearing a shot and it is your checkout time, if the door won't open, someone from the hotel will open it . If a person has not been found and law enforcement involved yet then its the hotels room, the can do an administrative search if they want to check to see if you checked out on time. Might not apply but can apply to some.


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1.Food is awful, most of the boxes are marked "not for human consumption". Ive had thast confirmed by numerous people. The phone came in on a drone along with 50 pounds of other contraband. It was bought by someone who later was transferred and left it to my buddy. He/uses the phone, me the mobile hotspot. Its very expensive to get things dropped so food is usually not an option. A $50 phone from Walmart cost $1200 in here. I'm pretty sure the CO's know about it but as long as you don't cause problems in the free world or flaunt it in front of their face, most won't go out of their way to shake down someone over it.

2. They are some of the stupidest human beings I have ever met. For awhile I know for a fact at least 3 could not read. They are extremely short and no one is applying so we are left with these idiots. The problem is they are extremely cruel so it doesn't really matter how intelligent they are. Most are corrupt and a significant number are gang affiliated. Its a side I knew nothing of. In the academy they never talked about the prison system and as a regular cop, the most I ever had to do is drive people,e to the rally point to prison. I had never been in one and someone never saw all the videos.

3. Ive actually had almost no bad interactions with regular inmates. I hate the former LEO's I'm locked in this unit with. While we are supposed to be kept away from the normal population, we are regularly around them. Soon I have to go to medical for a visit and at some point for a chest xray. I will be escorted up there and then left with 300 regular inmates. I talk to them and they all want help with their cases. Its funny, I have had more negativity from "cop haters" in the free world, than in prison. The hierarchy is subjective. Not matter your charge, if you have a skill people need, your good. I know a fair amount of the law but honestly if you don't lie, don't act like a jerk, and respect boundaries most people are OK. I have been threatened with a shank once by a regular inmate who walked away when I didn't back down. Other than that, no real problems.

4..I found this site researching if I could CTB with a particular medicine I get.


I pronbably missed stuff but I'm tired so this is as good as its getting for now. Not my best work, I apologize.
 
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Did you ever see a suicide with a 357? That was my weapon of choice. Is it as bad as a 12 gauge? Just morbid curiosity.
Nothing is as bad as a 12 gauge except maybe a hand grenade. .357 Magnum is one of the most devastating calibers created. Its now been matched by all the specialty ammos made for other calibers.
 
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Nothing is as bad as a 12 gauge except maybe a hand grenade. .357 Magnum is one of the most devastating calibers created. Its now been matched by all the specialty ammos made for other calibers.
What about a 38 special? Now I'm reconsidering the 357 and just using 38 special rounds in my 357 gun since they're interchangeable. I want less of a mess. People on this website consider 357 the golden standard but I figure a bullets a bullet. 🤷‍♀️
 
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* Related to above, if indoors, a particularly messy death such as 12 gauge shotgun in the mouth or someone who is not found quickly, costs a lot of money. Its not simply remove the body and use bleach to clean the area. Most states have laws and regulatons saying what must be done. I have seen someone suck start a shotgun and it cost $75,000 to properly repair and sanitize the room. A decomposing body cost $30,000 because it took a month, numerous chemical treatments, and new drywall to get rid of the smell. Families and property owners are responsible for the bill or else they can be red tagged and declared uninhabitable.
Can't even off yourself under Capitalism. 😞

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To the best of your own experience and/or understanding, are some post-mortem photos of ppl that end up on gore sites sourced from investigation docs getting leaked? I've seen quite a few where bodies are photographed either at the scene(s) where they were found, during evidence documentation, or in mortuaries. If that is the case, why is this a recurring phenomenon? Is it due to dentisitization among investigative personnel, leading some to share these types of photos under the guise of shock value or dark humor, such as in the case of "Porsche girl" (Nikki Catsouras)?
 
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Does everyone shit themselves when they die? Would it be more respectful to wear a diaper or are 1st responders desensitized to that?
I was definitely thinking of fasting for 24 hours and taking a big fat doo doo beforehand because of this :pfff:
 
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I have a feeling that encrypted LUKS devices won't really be recoverable (yes, it is possible to use hashcat and test the top 1,000,000 passwords in 2 weeks or less) if they are shut down... simple wiping of a drive with 0s and factory reset on modern smartphones might work too.

However, as mentioned above, online service providers can be subpoenad, which might reveal info that one might wish was hidden... and idk if the 30 day retention period is a perfect 30 days.

Unencrypted USBs lost within the house are another source of data... and if a phone (even an old, smartphone 'lost' within a house) has saved passwords, those could be used to try and get into the LUKS device.
 
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Good stuff man! Will def read entire thread when I get up tomorow.

I feel bad because I live upstairs in small room with my parents downstairs. Stairs up are very narrow and wind to the side. I imagine it's gonna be a nightmare to carry my fat ass down. Also my room is attic room with a low ceiling, sloping wall and very small and clutered. There is also a beam right in the middle. It's basically just for sleeping and storing my stuff.

Wish I could go somewhere but I haven't been out in 4 years. I live in the middle of city pretty much. Not in US so procedure gonna prob be bit different but nightmare to say the least. I don't care about my parents at all, I'd be happy if the whole place burned down and they ended up homeless. Metaphorically speaking, I don't want anything to burn down, there are other people living in the building. And my method is SN btw, not anything that would endanger anyone else.

I did write a paper note that I will leave next to bed and also on laptop just for investigation purposes (what I used, where I got it, without mentioning anyone specific) and last will who gets my money which I am certain will not be respected. Hyenas gonna come for it. I do have a small safe under bed with some of it. I don't know if that would be considered contaminated. Would be crazy to be thrown away, would really help out some true friends if it finds its way to them. I guess I'll move it to other side of the room or maybe room next to mine upstairs that my parents use for storage. Hmm, yeah I'll do that.

I would much rather prefer to die in a car on parking lot somewhere but I don't have a car or even know how to drive. Other option would be drinking the potion in bathroom downstairs but would risk being found too soon because my parents are older and use bathroom often even in the middle of the night. There are two parks nearby but I'm not hauling my obese cope-eating ass there in the middle of the night to be found by some random person next day. Idk what my options are. Not much really when going out is not an option. Damn. I feel bad for anyone dealing with aftermath and investigating. Maybe balcony downstairs hmm. Would have to carry camping mat and blanket and not be seen by parents. Fuck, I need to think of something, upstairs is not a good option.
I have a feeling that encrypted LUKS devices won't really be recoverable (yes, it is possible to use hashcat and test the top 1,000,000 passwords in 2 weeks or less) if they are shut down... simple wiping of a drive with 0s and factory reset on modern smartphones might work too.

However, as mentioned above, online service providers can be subpoenad, which might reveal info that one might wish was hidden... and idk if the 30 day retention period is a perfect 30 days.

Unencrypted USBs lost within the house are another source of data... and if a phone (even an old, smartphone 'lost' within a house) has saved passwords, those could be used to try and get into the LUKS device.
Yeah true, internet service providers probably track your internet activity and can send history to cops. But don't really care about that honestly. This site is already well known and I don't think they would question people I talk too halfway across the world. I talked to bunch of people that ctb in the last few years and nobody ever contacted me.
 
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It all boils down to once you are dead NOTHING matters.

Too many people get caught up on how will family deal, who will find my body, ect. If you are truly done with your life NOTHING matters.
Exactly. As everyone else, I also appreciate the level of detail and interesting insights regarding what goes on in the United States when someone CTBs.

This being said, the summary would be:

- It will be dramatic and shocking
- Some people will be devastated
- There will be a lot of bureaucracy involved

None of this matters after you're gone. Nothing does, and that's the beauty of being gone. It's not like we're supposed to go "uh, that's such a mess! I better stick to living and being a slave of the fucking demiurge until he squeezes the very last drop of energy out of me and then I die anyway!"

I know this was not the intention of the OP (the post was awesome) but I can't help just meeting it with a cold "so what?" life being imposed into us is the first unfair thing to begin with... Being able to make the decision to go is actually the only act that contains a small bit of what could be interpreted as fairness to a being that was forced to live. The mess, suffering and bureaucracy are merely details compared to the burden of existence.
 
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