Help Just got my nicotine for my OD but it's quite a high volume of liquid. Any suggestions on how to get it all down without vomiting?

[hematomatema]

I've heard nicotine tastes rancid, let alone this PG based nicotine solution (not sure what PG is, all I know is that on my desk next to me is a lethal dose.) I'm not attempting tonight but in the next few days as I'm waiting for my domperidone to arrive so I can try and avoid throwing up for as long as possible but I'm afraid it's going to be quite difficult given how much volume of solution there is here - it's 250ml. That doesn't sound like a lot but given it doesn't just taste like a nothing liquid - quite the opposite - I'm afraid I won't be able to get it all down or will throw up from the taste and so the attempt won't work (thus wasting it.)

Does anyone have any tips for getting liquids like this down? I can't really wash it down with anything since that's more liquid to throw back up alongside the nicotine and I can't think of anything to remove the taste - maybe something that dissolves on the tongue like a lot of Tic Tacs or something to try and mask the taste with mint?

(Also, if anyone can tell me the difference between VG and PG nicotine solutions - it'd be much appreciated lol. Maybe it'd be something useful for this attempt?)

 

[LunarLight]

Nicotine ODs don't work. Please reconsider.
You're just going to be very sick.

 

[hematomatema]

Nicotine ODs don't work. Please reconsider.
You're just going to be very sick.

I mean, they definitely do. I've amassed a lot of evidence to suggest that 4 grams is the point at which basically anyone will die. In the similar threads at the bottom you'll probably see my method thread and in the comments of that thread I have given multiple examples of where people have passed away from having far less than what I am going to. Unless I throw it up basically instantly or unless the literature on nicotine toxicity is just universally wrong it seems fairly foolproof. I can tag you with the sources if you want.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

PG is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

 

[hematomatema]

PG is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

thank you my GOAT, seems like it won't have any effect on the method for better or for worse, I'll take that I suppose

 

[marronfoncé]

Nicotine ODs don't work. Please reconsider.
You're just going to be very sick.

how do you know ?

 

[Shadows From Hell]

I read somewhere some time back that you could soak a ton of cigarettes in water for several days until the water turned dark brown, strain to separate the tobacco and paper from the water, and that would be enough nicotine to be fatal if you drank it. Not sure of the number of cigarettes or how much water though.

I don't know how accurate it is, but I can imagine it would taste like shit.

 

[SVEN]

Maybe try sucking ice cubes for some minutes prior to ingesting the nicotine ? Also keep the nicotine liquid well refrigerated to get it just short of freezing before drinking, this should assist in numbing the taste buds without affecting the substance.
Best wishes.

 

[wiggy]

That sounds like a rough way to go, and quite unreliable. Have you done any research on the practical viability for this method? I would expect it will wreck havok on your stomach and intestines and have you throwing up like there's no tomorrow, also induce extreme levels of anxiety.

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,

I don't have much to add to what's been said, if it works it's at most as pleasant as a heart attack, but just one of these for what it's worth notes:

That much glycol, uh, surely can be gotten down (no comment about the intense flavor of what it's carrying in this scenario) but texturally maybe isn't the most pleasant thing if you haven't done this often and I doubt glycerin would be much better (thicker, slightly less 'astringent' as to mucous membranes but for one go not sure how this would matter).. I'd say thinning it out with some cola or such would make it land on the stomach easier but as you're already up against 250ml of it that you'd have to get down at once, maybe cellar temperature, maybe a gastric tube if you're terribly set on this.

Not giving odds on keeping it down but a cup of mildly cold flat cola or similar beverage of choice (just as a nicotine fan, the sugar and pH and spices of cola seem towards soothing on 'nicotine mouth') will be somewhat soothing in the minute or so you might have before whatever happens after ingestion.

Now, I don't know how aware anyone is, but nicotine 'burns' on contact with mucous membranes, something dip and pouch fans learn to love and get some tolerance to, and smokers and vapers may hardly notice about nicotine until sampling a full drop of strong vape liquid. So heads up that it's going to be a very spicy experience before any further effects.

If it doesn't go all the way I guess there's a possibility of stroking out or something. But just trying to convey the taste sensation aspect, under 50mg of nicotine can be a "ugh get this out of my mouth" burn sort of between capsaicin and whatever else nicotine does to mucosa, particularly naive mucosa but with tolerance built up it's probably likely to require more for any toxic effect.

I'm not sure how well any oral anesthetic would work or how it might compete with the nicotine biochemically but if anyone is really going to do this it might call for it. The stomach, particularly when naive to nicotine, reacts to it similarly, so I could see a comforting chaser getting 5 more minutes of exposure before whatever that experience does. Not entirely certain it would cause vomiting but probably will feel like you swallowed fire FYI.

 

[marronfoncé]

ב''ה,

I don't have much to add to what's been said, if it works it's at most as pleasant as a heart attack, but just one of these for what it's worth notes:

That much glycol, uh, surely can be gotten down (no comment about the intense flavor of what it's carrying in this scenario) but texturally maybe isn't the most pleasant thing if you haven't done this often and I doubt glycerin would be much better (thicker, slightly less 'astringent' as to mucous membranes but for one go not sure how this would matter).. I'd say thinning it out with some cola or such would make it land on the stomach easier but as you're already up against 250ml of it that you'd have to get down at once, maybe cellar temperature, maybe a gastric tube if you're terribly set on this.

Not giving odds on keeping it down but a cup of mildly cold flat cola or similar beverage of choice (just as a nicotine fan, the sugar and pH and spices of cola seem towards soothing on 'nicotine mouth') will be somewhat soothing in the minute or so you might have before whatever happens after ingestion.

Now, I don't know how aware anyone is, but nicotine 'burns' on contact with mucous membranes, something dip and pouch fans learn to love and get some tolerance to, and smokers and vapers may hardly notice about nicotine until sampling a full drop of strong vape liquid. So heads up that it's going to be a very spicy experience before any further effects.

If it doesn't go all the way I guess there's a possibility of stroking out or something. But just trying to convey the taste sensation aspect, under 50mg of nicotine can be a "ugh get this out of my mouth" burn sort of between capsaicin and whatever else nicotine does to mucosa, particularly naive mucosa but with tolerance built up it's probably likely to require more for any toxic effect.

I'm not sure how well any oral anesthetic would work or how it might compete with the nicotine biochemically but if anyone is really going to do this it might call for it. The stomach, particularly when naive to nicotine, reacts to it similarly, so I could see a comforting chaser getting 5 more minutes of exposure before whatever that experience does. Not entirely certain it would cause vomiting but probably will feel like you swallowed fire FYI.

Hello,

You know a lot about liquid nicotine. How come ? Have you heard about it here or another site ?
I'm not sure I understand you last paragraph very well. Do you recommend a mouth anesthetic, the same the dentists use ?
It would make it easier to swallow since the water diluted 4g are not liquid enough to go down the throat efficiently, I if understand. What about the taste ? would the anesthetic help about the taste ?

Thanks

 

[notreallybored]

Hello,

You know a lot about liquid nicotine. How come ? Have you heard about it here or another site ?
I'm not sure I understand you last paragraph very well. Do you recommend a mouth anesthetic, the same the dentists use ?
It would make it easier to swallow since the water diluted 4g are not liquid enough to go down the throat efficiently, I if understand. What about the taste ? would the anesthetic help about the taste ?

Thanks

ב''ה,
This is electronic cigarette "Vapes" 101 class stuff, when we all still filled them ourselves.

I think some water or soft drink might make the glycol easier to swallow but that's so much liquid puking would be expected.

Everyone keeps suggesting sore throat or dental lidocaine sprays and I really do not know, but I know a strong nicotine solution burns the mouth, have you ever tried dip or artificial dip or nicotine gum? Perhaps there's a minty one or something.

I don't think this sounds extremely pleasant but it's probably on par with taking a knife to your heart or something, so "you do you," I'll bother throwing in the "why does G-d do this to us?" if we're discussing this this long.

Anyway, if that much is swallowed, aside from the cardiac effects notionally desired in this scenario, 1. the nicotine hits 'spicy' (both flavor and direct tissue effects, people do get mouth burns/sores from strong nicotine directly) and 2. between the irritant and stimulant effects directly on the stomach, expect massive heartburn and probably massive stomach acid production, so it may not do the physical damage of chugging drain cleaner (slow, unpleasant, survival horror stories about that) but honestly it's likely to feel like that in the stomach. I'm not sure how much antacids would help that part.

 

[marronfoncé]

ב''ה,
This is electronic cigarette "Vapes" 101 class stuff, when we all still filled them ourselves.

I think some water or soft drink might make the glycol easier to swallow but that's so much liquid puking would be expected.

Everyone keeps suggesting sore throat or dental lidocaine sprays and I really do not know, but I know a strong nicotine solution burns the mouth, have you ever tried dip or artificial dip or nicotine gum? Perhaps there's a minty one or something.

I don't think this sounds extremely pleasant but it's probably on par with taking a knife to your heart or something, so "you do you," I'll bother throwing in the "why does G-d do this to us?" if we're discussing this this long.

Anyway, if that much is swallowed, aside from the cardiac effects notionally desired in this scenario, 1. the nicotine hits 'spicy' (both flavor and direct tissue effects, people do get mouth burns/sores from strong nicotine directly) and 2. between the irritant and stimulant effects directly on the stomach, expect massive heartburn and probably massive stomach acid production, so it may not do the physical damage of chugging drain cleaner (slow, unpleasant, survival horror stories about that) but honestly it's likely to feel like that in the stomach. I'm not sure how much antacids would help that part.

Yes, I guess that's what antiemetics are so frequently talked about.

As for the dental lidocaine or an ersatz, it is indeed available, but I wonder how much of my throat would be dulled... As it initially is used by dentists, it's mostly the mouth that benefits the anesthesia.

I guess you mentioned nicotine gums as a minty pill to dull the throat, but they aim to help reduce a vape addiction by spreading the same flavor, I don't think this will make a big improvement in this method !

Oh god... that confirms what I've read somewhere else. I don't know what to do about that, it's so damaging to the stomach, and each time we need a new 'anti' something it complicates the method, it lowers our chances to make it right and chemical combinations are dangerous but not in the way we expect.
And antiacids... I definitely need to research on that part. They protect the stomach but my throat is here though... Plus they seem to work just like antiemetics... They aim to prevent vomiting, not to dull the stomach in case an individual suddenly hydrates their body with a lethal substance.

Wow I had never seen "g-d" written like that. Yes, I do wonder why it's so complicated to committ when it's so easy to die, I'm not so sure about this method now and it so sucks.
I don't see the deal with the knife by the way.

 

[notreallybored]

I guess you mentioned nicotine gums as a minty pill to dull the throat, but they aim to help reduce a vape addiction by spreading the same flavor, I don't think this will make a big improvement in this method !

ב''ה,

Nicotine gum mentioned as an example of a standard 'safe' form of nicotine that "burns" enough that first time users may vomit or consider whether they need medical attention.

I don't think nicotine gum will cover the flavor of more nicotine (unless you chew it for 10 years and then grams of nicotine might not be as lethal), just saying 4mg nicotine is enough to make ordinary people nauseous with a lot of mouth pain.

I do say maybe an oral numbing product with the consistency of hemorrhoid cream might be oily enough to block some of the flavor for a few minutes.

Antacids or something like Pepcid.. all I can say is: if you know from swallowing nicotine, even small amounts stimulate stomach acid and heartburn, so this is a "maybe it halves the agony" idea.


Also I am just providing context for why people who use nicotine every day don't do this, or don't often die from it. If you know caffeine, nicotine is vaguely similar in effects, so imagine trying to die from pure caffeine tablets (the headache, the raised blood pressure) that also taste like burning and may ulcerate the stomach. Just making up a number here but figure nicotine is like ≥4x more toxic than caffeine (or 'narrower therapeutic window'), so if someone with no nicotine tolerance does somehow get grams of nicotine into them, good chance of a heart attack compared to caffeine, but the experience in the minutes before that is going to be a similar kind of unpleasant.

People don't use nicotine just because it is poison, people use it because about 1mg is stimulating or relaxing like tea or coffee. Way more of a "head rush" the first ten times of course.