It was the drink that killed him...

[raybd]

I was supposed to go last night, Thursday, India time. Given there's a bunch of bad experiences and dos, I'd rather not be a part of starting Friday afternoon - like now. Everything shaped up adequately all week long. Then suddenly out of nowhere, I suffer a very bad back spasm and can't sit, lie down or do much of anything except stand leaning to one side. With that delaying things and the cascading effect on other things, completely adrift now. It's not enough that years of deteriorating health and work has brought me finally to be ready to go, this freak spasm has me exposed to needless crap not of my making. Don't know when I'll get my exit back on track. Not tonight. For sure. Got some responsibilities a few hours. And I reckon daytimes are out. So ironic. It's health that's making me ago, and suddenly another health thing that's kept me from going.
For those of you too young to know or recall, it's kind of like the old joke they rehashed in Mrs. Doubtfire - a big drinker dies. And they say it's the drink that killed him... didn't fry his liver. He got hit by a liquor truck as he left his pub. "It was quite literally the drink that killed him!"
Sadly, that's a movie, but this painful spasm is very, very real.

 

[Oktodiectb]

So Sorry for you that you got affected this way hope u achieve your peace soon

 

[raybd]

So Sorry for you that you got affected this way hope u achieve your peace soon

Yeah, sucks big time. First the spasm needs to go. Then I need to go.

 

[EmptyBottle]

Yeah, sucks big time. First the spasm needs to go. Then I need to go.

would be cool if u can not only fix the spasm but also find the underlying issues that cause the CTB wish... for now, gn from Australia.

 

[raybd]

would be cool if u can not only fix the spasm but also find the underlying issues that cause the CTB wish... for now, gn from Australia.

Sadly we are about 20 years of research away from treating my autoimmune condition that causes the deterioration, professional difficulties and all other peril. I don't qualify for Oregon or the Dutch assisted programs as it is a much rarer condition.... not well studied. Held out for years and years... my login here is like 6 years old. But now, it's time to go....

 

[EmptyBottle]

Sadly we are about 20 years of research away from treating my autoimmune condition that causes the deterioration, professional difficulties and all other peril. I don't qualify for Oregon or the Dutch assisted programs as it is a much rarer condition.... not well studied. Held out for years and years... my login here is like 6 years old. But now, it's time to go....

oh... hopefully a breakthru in research occurs soon, tho I understand the wish for peace.

 

[raybd]

oh... hopefully a breakthru in research occurs soon, tho I understand the wish for peace.

I made my peace with illness years ago. I just want death with dignity. People just don't get that. Like I was posting yesterday, in India, ending your life under my circumstances (or extreme old age, both) is religiously OK in many religions here. People even make pilgrimages and seek the blessings of elders who go that way. BUT, IT's FRIGGIN' against the law! In the US, it's the opposite. Most Christian denominations and the Orthodox Jewry are against it, but, the law is fine with it. Although excepting 2-3 states, notably Oregon, they won't help you go.
My question is this: You won't help me go? Fine. Now, why don't you fix me, so I can live peacefully?

 

[madameviolette]

I made my peace with illness years ago. I just want death with dignity. People just don't get that. Like I was posting yesterday, in India, ending your life under my circumstances (or extreme old age, both) is religiously OK in many religions here. People even make pilgrimages and seek the blessings of elders who go that way. BUT, IT's FRIGGIN' against the law! In the US, it's the opposite. Most Christian denominations and the Orthodox Jewry are against it, but, the law is fine with it. Although excepting 2-3 states, notably Oregon, they won't help you go.
My question is this: You won't help me go? Fine. Now, why don't you fix me, so I can live peacefully?

Really ? I thought suicide is also prohibited in Hinduism ?

 

[raybd]

Really ? I thought suicide is also prohibited in Hinduism ?

Definitely not prohibited under certain circumstances in most branches of all major religions in India including Hinduism - I have come to know. The common method is a fast unto death. Quite a few Hindu notables in recent history, the past few decades, some political leaders, not just religious leaders, have gone that way. The names of the fasting ritual change across the different religions and denominations is all. But all the local faiths, including Hinduism, have a name, protocol and acceptance of it. Prevalence is a different thing. Back home in the US, about twenty-thirty years ago, there was this monk, a native Californian who went to India and came back a monk. He later founded a Hindu temple in Hawaii. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He then undertook the fasting ritual and went in a month. After he had gone, the AP covered it and so, many news sources on the west coast covered it.
All of these faiths have only one common requirement, that it must be justifiable and not an escape from the responsibilities of life. This requirement is usually met by extreme old age, extreme illness etc. Otherwise, it becomes wrongful or sinful. It's prohibited at all other times.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I made my peace with illness years ago. I just want death with dignity. People just don't get that. Like I was posting yesterday, in India, ending your life under my circumstances (or extreme old age, both) is religiously OK in many religions here. People even make pilgrimages and seek the blessings of elders who go that way. BUT, IT's FRIGGIN' against the law! In the US, it's the opposite. Most Christian denominations and the Orthodox Jewry are against it, but, the law is fine with it. Although excepting 2-3 states, notably Oregon, they won't help you go.
My question is this: You won't help me go? Fine. Now, why don't you fix me, so I can live peacefully?

sadly that CTB is still stigmatised.
that's a good question for society, wish that more ppl can find healing vs being stuck in limbo.

Imo, the metaphorical one way bus is still travelling, ready to pick up passengers, put them to sleep and drop them into the void. Driven by ghosts who volunteer to drive to find ticketholders.

 

[madameviolette]

Definitely not prohibited under certain circumstances in most branches of all major religions in India including Hinduism - I have come to know. The common method is a fast unto death. Quite a few Hindu notables in recent history, the past few decades, some political leaders, not just religious leaders, have gone that way. The names of the fasting ritual change across the different religions and denominations is all. But all the local faiths, including Hinduism, have a name, protocol and acceptance of it. Prevalence is a different thing. Back home in the US, about twenty-thirty years ago, there was this monk, a native Californian who went to India and came back a monk. He later founded a Hindu temple in Hawaii. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He then undertook the fasting ritual and went in a month. After he had gone, the AP covered it and so, many news sources on the west coast covered it.
All of these faiths have only one common requirement, that it must be justifiable and not an escape from the responsibilities of life. This requirement is usually met by extreme old age, extreme illness etc. Otherwise, it becomes wrongful or sinful. It's prohibited at all other times.

Wow okay. I always thought suicide was prohibited in Hinduism with bad outcomes when it comes to samsara principles

 

[InevitableDeath]

 

[raybd]

Meaningless emoji use. Why bother click at all? Go get a life. Oh wait!

 

[EmptyBottle]

Meaningless emoji use. Why bother click at all? Go get a life. Oh wait!

This comment made me smile, thanks ^v^.

 

[raybd]

Wow okay. I always thought suicide was prohibited in Hinduism with bad outcomes when it comes to samsara principles

Putting my former academic cap on, I cam embellish that answer you know... in one of the Hindu scriptures that deals with death, the Garuda Purana, which is kind of like their Book of the Dead, those who commit suicide to evade their duties are tortured along with robbers and gamblers and such by the denizens of one of their hells (they have many hells including the place of their god of death). Not unlike Dante's description. The various schools of Buddhism, Jainism and other lesser known faiths here have comparable teachings. The Hindus themselves have many more books of the dead, according to their denomination. What I do not really know is what the Sikh people think, you know the people famous for their turbans and NYC taxis... it's the newest of the major religions here. But they have a single source of scripture - their line of gurus, which compiled all their scripture into a living guru sort of. I don't know how it treats the topic. Also, ritual fasting unto death is more prevalent in the western Indian states across the religions more common there. Not uniform.

 

[madameviolette]

Putting my former academic cap on, I cam embellish that answer you know... in one of the Hindu scriptures that deals with death, the Garuda Purana, which is kind of like their Book of the Dead, those who commit suicide to evade their duties are tortured along with robbers and gamblers and such by the denizens of one of their hells (they have many hells including the place of their god of death). Not unlike Dante's description. The various schools of Buddhism, Jainism and other lesser known faiths here have comparable teachings. The Hindus themselves have many more books of the dead, according to their denomination. What I do not really know is what the Sikh people think, you know the people famous for their turbans and NYC taxis... it's the newest of the major religions here. But they have a single source of scripture - their line of gurus, which compiled all their scripture into a living guru sort of. I don't know how it treats the topic. Also, ritual fasting unto death is more prevalent in the western Indian states across the religions more common there. Not uniform.

Ah alright I see. So killing yourself because of sickness is not considered escaping your responsabilities according to them ?

 

[raybd]

Ah alright I see. So killing yourself because of sickness is not considered escaping your responsabilities according to them ?

If your sickness is beyond a point, it is pardoned. Actually, in some circumstances, it is even required of your kindred or ruler to relieve your suffering... like when at a vet, sometimes they tell you a doggie has to be put down. They - and I mean each of the major faiths here - not just the Hindus - have a gigantic network of law books. Deuteronomy and the local Orthodox rabbi can't hold a candle. Just that, it is all in the background. Not front and center like walking through Queens with peyos and yarmulke. A lot of things are clearly reasoned too, in an algorithmic kind of way. Usually, Hindus are against killing cows like pork is forbidden to Jews and Moslems. But, some of their law books state under what conditions even a cow might be butchered. Fairly pragmatic. But, it's all against the law. I hear they just enforce it less stringently in the 4 western states where ritual fasting unto death is more common.