Isn’t it kinda fucked up that it’s easier to get fent than SN or KN

[bugfart]

I think it's incredibly messed up and unfair that regular people die from fentanyl contamination all of the time whom don't even particularly want to die, but we can't even easily or readily obtain simple lethal methods with the intention of the free choice to kill ourselves. I could find fent contaminated heroin or pills in my city relatively easily if I knew the right people and fent has killed a lot of my previous friends and people I went to college with. But I cannot order SN or KN without a lab number and a lot of verification from a lab if I wanted to get reagentplus or over 80% pure.

I also cannot reasonably contact someone for SN or KN due to alot of peoples hesitation to give out sources and my mild autism making me sound like a fed. And I personally find it unattainable to synthesize my own pure powders that are often used on this forum and even if I did, I could kill people adjacent to me in the process if I'm not careful and dying by inhalation of toxic gases is not a peaceful way to go for me/ optimal. I've looked into strychnine (mole killer) and warfarin (rat killer, blood thinner) and how that would work out if I got it from a hardware store, but the ratio on the pellets or powder to actual death in a human on that is very hard.

Tldr; does anyone feel like it's unfair how peaceful toxicological methods are unattainable to people dying by choice but regular people not wanting to die accidentally and easily get fentanyl often.

 

[Yogih212]

I completely agree and it sucks, do you know how cool it would be if we could legally buy nembutal? Like let people themselves decide what to do with that.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I would say if you have access to pure fent that is is a much more peaceful way to leave than SN or KN. However, the prob is most people are at the end of the chain and therefore have only only access to cut street-quality drugs.

There should be a legal drug available that grants a peaceful death if someone desires that, like N.

 

[whywere]

You made a really great point!

Like me, I am on Hydromorphone and have had people wonder if I abuse it, I do not, and I tell them that I can go the street and get almost any type of street drug in a very short time.

Powers that be have one huge issue. They always think that they have all the answers and never make dumb decisions, ya right!

Walter

 

[veryjar]

I would say if you have access to pure fent that is is a much more peaceful way to leave than SN or KN. However, the prob is most people are at the end of the chain and therefore have only only access to cut street-quality drugs.

There should be a legal drug available that grants a peaceful death if someone desires that, like N.

Yeah, I have SN, but I'd much rather have fentanyl.

 

[StillLife]

I miss when nembutal was still kinda sorta a possibility to get even if you didn't have a great deal of money 13 years or so...

 

[blacksand]

Fent isn't that easy honestly. You can't really get it from dnms now.

 

[metfan647]

If the likes of N were available to the masses and those deaths were made widely public, I think there'd be insane levels of suicide.

Suicide would become normalised, I reckon. Those in temporary depressed states would look to ctb.

This life is really quite awful. If most purportedly 'happy' people scratced away the pathetic veneer of joy they're experiencing they'd realise it's all an illusion. Or I'm just cynical and wrong.

 

[bugfart]

Fent isn't that easy honestly. You can't really get it from dnms now.

I think the peak was definitely 2010s-early 2020s, I've heard of discussions of more Xylazine (zombie drug) on the street now however. I've had many people in my life who have died and even been able to get pressed fentanyl pills easily and they didn't ever have suicidal ideation, just addiction and needing more to fight off the dope sickness. Pure fent is very hard to get for sure.

If the likes of N were available to the masses and those deaths were made widely public, I think there'd be insane levels of suicide.

Suicide would become normalised, I reckon. Those in temporary depressed states would look to ctb.

This life is really quite awful. If most purportedly 'happy' people scratced away the pathetic veneer of joy they're experiencing they'd realise it's all an illusion. Or I'm just cynical and wrong.

I don't think it should be widely available as in I could go to the hardware store to get SN or N like I can mole killer or flavored rat warfarin. But I think it should be able to be bought without a lab order and with age verification, there's many grey markets online for things such as mifepristone and misoprostol (abortion pills) for example even though it is illegal in many states now, I feel like Nembutal and others should be available on those as well, but from my experience they are not.

I have the experience of going to Mexico and I have been able to get things such as miso/mife, Xanax, and oxy in the store without any hassles. Most of the grey markets are just people out of countries that sell everything otc selling these extra products online. Countries where this is the case include India, Mexico, Peru, others. I just think this is part of freedom.. I could easily blame a pharmacy oversees for an oxy or xanax addiction, I could be prosecuted for pursuing an abortion in a state where it's illegal, but it doesn't mean that it should be banned in my opinion.

I think that reversing temporary states of suicidality is complicated depending on the standard of care available to you or your method of coping. I feel like in the US at least, suicidal ideation is treated like a thought crime, you can be sent away against your will and housed with rapists/ homicidal people, I've had to live with people for weeks that just attempted murder for example and would scream all day and try to beat me up, I feel like instead of protective or healing this is punitive. The standard is to call the police or have a person be sent away for these thoughts when expressed in therapy pretty much. I think that this exacerbates the "temporary" ideation due to the fact that trauma gotten from getting "help" (being legally tortured) can make a little nagging feeling of SI turn into ptsd on top of that and worsened depression. That's what happens to most people trapped in the cycle of getting care and being institutionalized either voluntary or court ordered —> experiencing mistreatment in hospitals —> doing things to themselves when they get out due to what they experienced —-> going back to care —> going back to hospitals if they are honest.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I don't know anywhere where I could obtain hard drugs, despite contaminated street drugs being prevalent where I grew up. I'm too scared to try other ways of procuring highly frowned upon substances. If I had a source for it, I feel like I would be tempted to just go out with strong opioids immediately, because I have heard the feeling of overdose is similar to falling into a deep anesthesia, which I've been able to tolerate.

Even when I still had SN in my possession, I was scared of suffering before I die, a lot of the reports here aren't pleasant when they describe the side effects like the extreme nausea and vomitting. It's extremely depressing that people who genuinely want to live but are turning to street drugs lose their life by mistake to laced pills, but those of us suffering in unwinnable situations have to result to trying to obtain chemicals like SN that can induce such painful effects, solely out of desperation for methods.

If I had strong narcotics this would literally be me-

 

[Lion_50]

I miss when nembutal was still kinda sorta a possibility to get even if you didn't have a great deal of money 13 years or so...

Is nembutal still possible to obtain if you are willing to travel?

 

[vergnano]

Is nembutal still possible to obtain if you are willing to travel?

Openly in very few places. If u are willing to go lenghts maybe in 10-12 countires in entire world.

 

[Lion_50]

Openly in very few places. If u are willing to go lenghts maybe in 10-12 countires in entire world.

I'll do that. Please tell me which countries/areas are reported to sell them?

 

[dhk96]

I don't know anywhere where I could obtain hard drugs, despite contaminated street drugs being prevalent where I grew up. I'm too scared to try other ways of procuring highly frowned upon substances. If I had a source for it, I feel like I would be tempted to just go out with strong opioids immediately, because I have heard the feeling of overdose is similar to falling into a deep anesthesia, which I've been able to tolerate.

Even when I still had SN in my possession, I was scared of suffering before I die, a lot of the reports here aren't pleasant when they describe the side effects like the extreme nausea and vomitting. It's extremely depressing that people who genuinely want to live but are turning to street drugs lose their life by mistake to laced pills, but those of us suffering in unwinnable situations have to result to trying to obtain chemicals like SN that can induce such painful effects, solely out of desperation for methods.

If I had strong narcotics this would literally be me-

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Respect for not using Reload for this (justice for Minako!).

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

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I think it's incredibly messed up and unfair that regular people die from fentanyl contamination all of the time whom don't even particularly want to die, but we can't even easily or readily obtain simple lethal methods with the intention of the free choice to kill ourselves. I could find fent contaminated heroin or pills in my city relatively easily if I knew the right people and fent has killed a lot of my previous friends and people I went to college with. But I cannot order SN or KN without a lab number and a lot of verification from a lab if I wanted to get reagentplus or over 80% pure.

I also cannot reasonably contact someone for SN or KN due to alot of peoples hesitation to give out sources and my mild autism making me sound like a fed. And I personally find it unattainable to synthesize my own pure powders that are often used on this forum and even if I did, I could kill people adjacent to me in the process if I'm not careful and dying by inhalation of toxic gases is not a peaceful way to go for me/ optimal. I've looked into strychnine (mole killer) and warfarin (rat killer, blood thinner) and how that would work out if I got it from a hardware store, but the ratio on the pellets or powder to actual death in a human on that is very hard.

Tldr; does anyone feel like it's unfair how peaceful toxicological methods are unattainable to people dying by choice but regular people not wanting to die accidentally and easily get fentanyl often.

I have no idea how to obtain fent. SN is an easy online order so I'd have to disagree with you

 

[dontletthembribeyou]

I think it's incredibly messed up and unfair that regular people die from fentanyl contamination all of the time whom don't even particularly want to die, but we can't even easily or readily obtain simple lethal methods with the intention of the free choice to kill ourselves. I could find fent contaminated heroin or pills in my city relatively easily if I knew the right people and fent has killed a lot of my previous friends and people I went to college with. But I cannot order SN or KN without a lab number and a lot of verification from a lab if I wanted to get reagentplus or over 80% pure.

I also cannot reasonably contact someone for SN or KN due to alot of peoples hesitation to give out sources and my mild autism making me sound like a fed. And I personally find it unattainable to synthesize my own pure powders that are often used on this forum and even if I did, I could kill people adjacent to me in the process if I'm not careful and dying by inhalation of toxic gases is not a peaceful way to go for me/ optimal. I've looked into strychnine (mole killer) and warfarin (rat killer, blood thinner) and how that would work out if I got it from a hardware store, but the ratio on the pellets or powder to actual death in a human on that is very hard.

Tldr; does anyone feel like it's unfair how peaceful toxicological methods are unattainable to people dying by choice but regular people not wanting to die accidentally and easily get fentanyl often.

yes, I've actually thought about trying to get fent but I think I'm too socially inept and awkward for dealers to trust me

 

[searchingforpeace]

If the likes of N were available to the masses and those deaths were made widely public, I think there'd be insane levels of suicide.

Suicide would become normalised, I reckon. Those in temporary depressed states would look to ctb.

This life is really quite awful. If most purportedly 'happy' people scratced away the pathetic veneer of joy they're experiencing they'd realise it's all an illusion. Or I'm just cynical and wrong.

No you are right

 

[vergnano]

I'll do that. Please tell me which countries/areas are reported to sell them?

Idk, it was guess, like really corupt ones. I wanted to pay junkies on holiday to rob some vets office. But backed out

 

[Lion_50]

yes, I've actually thought about trying to get fent but I think I'm too socially inept and awkward for dealers to trust me

What do you mean by that? What are your symptoms/behaviours?

Idk, it was guess, like really corupt ones. I wanted to pay junkies on holiday to rob some vets office. But backed out

I read the ooh many years ago. It said places like Peru, Thailand and Mexico. Asia is tough on drugs so I'm guessing central and South America are the best options