Is there such thing as pro suicide people?

[HorribleFeelings1]

At this point, I love talking about dying. I love conversations about committing suicide. It's definitely unhealthy but I love suicide to begin with. It's the only thing that helps me. But when I talk to others, they care about me and then I get emotionally held hostage because I don't want to hurt them. Anyone here love conversations about suicide??

 

[deadalready]

Antinatalists?

 

[gnomeboy17]

At this point, I love talking about dying. I love conversations about committing suicide. It's definitely unhealthy but I love suicide to begin with. It's the only thing that helps me. But when I talk to others, they care about me and then I get emotionally held hostage because I don't want to hurt them. Anyone here love conversations about suicide??

Yeah I fully agree! I'm aware that it is kind of fucked up but fr the sweet thought of death is so good. Can't wait to CBT, just waiting on stuff coming online

 

[HelensNepenthe]

There are certainly neutral or pro-choice philosophies out there. Libertarianism and Stoics (to a varying degree). Marcus Aurelius wrote "Meditations" for himself. Seneca, in very condensed words, essentially suggests if you can't find a way to resolve your problems after exhausting every* resource, it's justified to punch your ticket in.


For me personally, I do not identify with "pro suicide". That suggests encouraging people to catch the bus or facilitating. I enjoy the conversation, certainly enjoy the discussion of finding a painless way out, and even having an intimate conversation over it. However, I would never encourage someone to go or assist someone in ultimately ceasing to exist.

Antinatalists?

Antinatalism are pro-choice and not pro-suicide. I wouldn't read much further into that philosophy as the targeted issue is being born, not necessarily punching the ticket in. Defining "pro-suicide" is forcing people to kill themselves. There is a large gap between pro-choice and pro-suicide.

 

[JohnUK]

I do . Simply because I knowthat it's going to happen to me in the very near future that the thought of not talking about suicide is not something that I can not stop.

 

[AintNoWayOut]

dont really enjoy talking about it too often because i hate being in the position in life where this is the only rational option im left with. i'd much much rather be able to live a decent life and not have to talk/think about death, so talking about it just frustrates me and makes me think about everything thats brought me to this point.

i mean, yeah, i am on this site and it can be a good cope/comfort to talk abt just ending all the pain with others being in a similar place and sharing the pro-choice mindset, but its also something i dont indulge in too much as it can disturb me. a lot of it really comes down to the mood im in, sometimes im feeling extra depressed and can only think about death, and other times im still depressed, but would rather not clog my mind with "death death death" and attempt to cope. tbh i just want the whole suicide part to be over with rather than think and talk about it all the time.

 

[highlyvolatile]

I used to feel different ways about it. But I supoort people's right to go on their own terms if thats what they please. For me its seems like something thats been with me most my life. I'm ready to go honestly. Not quite desperate but I want out.

 

[Ghost2211]

I'm more pro choice than pro suicide. I wouldn't encourage suicide, but Im more than happy to openly discuss the topic. The only reason I would ever discourage suicide is if a person shows clear signs of hope, fear, impulsiveness, or doubts. If you're sure then there's no reason to discourage suicide. It's selfish and wrong to keep people in this world for ourselves.

 

[TAW122]

I'm sure they exist somewhere in the world, but I don't know of any both IRL or online specifically. For myself, while I chose death for myself, my actual position is more of pro-choice in the sense that it is up to every individual to make the decision of whether to live or CTB by him/herself. I too, wished there were like-minded individuals even outside of this forum, but alas, I could not find any, therefore, I never really talk about the right to die, euthanasia, nor suicide outside of this forum (it is simply too risky and dangerous).

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Antinatalists, efilists, Church of Euthanasia, Voluntary Human Extinction Movement,

I'm pretty pro suicide for most people but there are a few folks out there like Carmen Electra's boyfriend who have a life worth living.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Antinatalists, efilists, Church of Euthanasia, Voluntary Human Extinction Movement,

They aren't really pro suicide though, are they?

A pro suicide philosophy would never gain traction because it simply wouldn't be tolerated by society. To my knowledge even the most radical pessimists still only propose voluntary extinction by not reproducing. Theres one that comes to mind right now, a German 'pjilosopher' (or rather novelist/ literary professor) who wrote in the eighties, but he was never really relevant to the discourse and had to do so under the guise of satire (he said we should nuke the planet basically).

 

[sad_thranduil]

I mean the name of this forum is "sanctionedsuicide"; so, the title of this thread should be answered.

I'm highly pro-choice, which means that everyone can believe, say and do whatever they want, as long as they accept other opinions and consciously harm no one.

 

[Ermitão]

There some much that we could all discuss about suicide, but is all limited to the psychiatric field becauses ins taboo to treat it as anything beyond a mental health problem.
I know that Durkheim and Marx have written about it, and probably theres a lot more that don't get the attention its deserves, just because TABOO.

 

[_milo]

They aren't really pro suicide though, are they?

A pro suicide philosophy would never gain traction because it simply wouldn't be tolerated by society. To my knowledge even the most radical pessimists still only propose voluntary extinction by not reproducing. Theres one that comes to mind right now, a German 'pjilosopher' (or rather novelist/ literary professor) who wrote in the eighties, but he was never really relevant to the discourse and had to do so under the guise of satire (he said we should nuke the planet basically).

I'm curious to know who you're referring to. Dude sounds like a blast.

 

[LastRide]

At this point, I love talking about dying. I love conversations about committing suicide. It's definitely unhealthy but I love suicide to begin with. It's the only thing that helps me. But when I talk to others, they care about me and then I get emotionally held hostage because I don't want to hurt them. Anyone here love conversations about suicide??

Me ! That's why I love this forum, you can just let it out....I cannot have any of this talk even with my closest friends, they'd wory too much, and of course I would not lie to them either and say "oh don't worry I just love talking about it I'm not intending to do it really" since it's not true. I can't even talk about my past failed attempts for fear of freaking them out....

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I'm curious to know who you're referring to. Dude sounds like a blast.

Looked it up his name is Ulrich Horstmann. Haven't read his book but watched an interview which I found somewhat disappointing. Also in the same vein Peter Wessel Zapffe is great.

 

[Mr2005]

Yes they're called cunts

 

[sad_thranduil]

A pro suicide philosophy would never gain traction because it simply wouldn't be tolerated by society. To my knowledge even the most radical pessimists still only propose voluntary extinction by not reproducing. Theres one that comes to mind right now, a German 'pjilosopher' (or rather novelist/ literary professor) who wrote in the eighties, but he was never really relevant to the discourse and had to do so under the guise of satire (he said we should nuke the planet basically).

The dude on your profile pic for example denied that suicide was immoral and saw it as one's right to take one's life. Even Herodotus and Confucius and so many more are on the pro side.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

They aren't really pro suicide though, are they?

Yeah, when it comes down to it, they're anti life.

I'm pro MY suicide but I think every other suicide is tragic and preventable. That is, except for the terminally ill and advanced in age who are within a week or so of death either way, and suffering terribly.

 

[BPD Barbie]

It's a fine line between pro suicide and pro choice, each case needs to be looked at at an individual basis. I don't think it's possible to be pro suicide for everyone, we will always disagree at some things but accept others. I'm sure we all have our own reasonings for wanting to ctb, even if they are similar they are different in some way. I'm pro choice, people can chose what they want to do, doesn't mean I'll always agree though.

 

[Black Rose Bunny]

I'm more pro choice than pro suicide. I wouldn't encourage suicide, but Im more than happy to openly discuss the topic. The only reason I would ever discourage suicide is if a person shows clear signs of hope, fear, impulsiveness, or doubts. If you're sure then there's no reason to discourage suicide. It's selfish and wrong to keep people in this world for ourselves.

Do you really feel like if you're scared you shouldn't? I feel like it's very natural to fear death, no one knows what comes after.. and there is the fear of messing up too.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

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The dude on your profile pic for example denied that suicide was immoral and saw it as one's right to take one's life. Even Herodotus and Confucius and so many more are on the pro side.

Yes but saying it is a basic right is a pro choice position not a pro suicide position. A pro suicide position would be saying that people or at least some people should kill themselves (either generally or under certain circumstances); i.e. there has to be a prescriptive element to it to make it pro suicide, no?

 

[Ghost2211]

Do you really feel like if you're scared you shouldn't? I feel like it's very natural to fear death, no one knows what comes after.. and there is the fear of messing up too.

Hard to say to be honest. I suppose it depends if they are nervous or terrified.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Yes but saying it is a basic right is a pro choice position not a pro suicide position.

This.

A pro suicide position would be saying that people or at least some people should kill themselves (either generally or under certain circumstances); i.e. there has to be a prescriptive element to it to make it pro suicide, no?

What's more, you can break down pro-suicide into "weakly" or "strongly" so, as in:

1) strongly pro suicide means all should kill themselves as soon as capable
2) weakly pro suicide means some should kill themselves, depending on circumstance

next along the spectrum is, as referenced above, pro choice, or "doubly weak" pro suicide
3) all should have the option to kill themselves

finally there would be the pro life end of things
4) weakly pro life: some should be able to kill themselves, depending on circumstance
5) strongly pro life: no matter how bad it gets, no one should kill himself or herself

 

[HighwayToHell]

At this point, I love talking about dying. I love conversations about committing suicide. It's definitely unhealthy but I love suicide to begin with. It's the only thing that helps me. But when I talk to others, they care about me and then I get emotionally held hostage because I don't want to hurt them. Anyone here love conversations about suicide??

Oh Im interested in dark topic of all kinds. (Excluding anything sexual that's nasty.) Dunno if it was trauma that shaped my interests or all the horror novels I read as kid that caused it lol

 

[a.n.kirillov]

This.

What's more, you can break down pro-suicide into "weakly" or "strongly" so, as in:

1) strongly pro suicide means all should kill themselves as soon as capable
2) weakly pro suicide means some should kill themselves, depending on circumstance

next along the spectrum is, as referenced above, pro choice, or "doubly weak" pro suicide
3) all should have the option to kill themselves

finally there would be the pro life end of things
4) weakly pro life: some should be able to kill themselves, depending on circumstance
5) strongly pro life: no matter how bad it gets, no one should kill himself or herself

Good write up.

Now to get back to the topic, I can't name a single philosopher or person within the public discourse who puts forth a position similar to 1)
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Someone named seneka and the stoics in general and they would fall under category 2); but I think you couldn't really argue these positions publicly today.

 

[HighwayToHell]

Good write up.

Now to get back to the topic, I can't name a single philosopher or person within the public discourse who puts forth a position similar to 1)

There's lots of misanthropes out there who would agree with number one out there.

I think both 1 and 5 show an extreme lack of empathy.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Good write up.

Thank you. I thought it was a little slapdash, but it's just a forum and I'm trying to get a point across quickly.

Now to get back to the topic, I can't name a single philosopher or person within the public discourse who puts forth a position similar to 1)

Yeah, I mean, you correctly smacked me down after my first post in this thread. Church of Euthanasia is satirical and the others say less to die, than to not breed.

I'm pretty resentful of life, but in that same post of mine, I highlight being totally aware that, for example, any of the Crown Princes of Saudi Arabia are probably happy as a clam at high tide.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

This is crazy, pro suicide people seem to have some grudge against others more than themselves, or can be just a much, I meant is there anyone that supports your feelings of wanting to commit suicide and not try to help you, what are those people called?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

This is crazy, pro suicide people seem to have some grudge against others more than themselves, or can be just a much, I meant is there anyone that supports your feelings of wanting to commit suicide and not try to help you, what are those people called?

Mh sociopaths? I mean it depends; almost anyone will empathize with a person who wants to end his life because he has stage four colon cancer and is on his seventh course of chemotherapy
But someone who doesn't want to help? That's not something most people (including myself) would find acceptable behaviour. It's just that you realize there might be nothing you can do to help or change the person's mind and that you respect their decision. Not caring on the other hand would indeed be a form of jadedness or sociopathy I guess.