I'm convinced that when I die I'm just going to come back here.

[ExitStageLeft]

And it's going to suck lol. Firmly convinced that I am just part of the universe, and that my qualia, my subjectivity, is part of it also, and that the universe oscillates.

 

[Ghost2211]

The thought of reincarnation is far scarier than the thought of death.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

The thought of reincarnation is far scarier than the thought of death.

I don't think it's even spiritual reincarnation ala Hinduism or anything. I firmly believe it's just universal recurrence. I think the universe is a closed system that repeats endlessly.

Only one way to find out, lol.

 

[rt1989526]

Maybe you'll make different decisions and things turn out differebtly in the next occurence?

 

[Lost Girl xx]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuck that

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Yup.. I believe that aswell

 

[ExitStageLeft]

Maybe you'll make different decisions and things turn out differebtly in the next occurence?

There might be something to this, actually.

Assume that Poincaré recurrence applies to the universe. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything will always happen identically - it could mean that reality repeats itself to the nearest possible degree endlessly. That could effectively mean that history will play out identically to the point of my birth each time, but that, for me, my actions and choices will differ each time, just as they will for you. The basic facts, up to the point of your birth, play out identically,and from there everything is subject to change. And it will be this way forever.

I am, actually, convinced that this is what it is. Which could be very cool for me actually- I was a very happy boy up until my father committed suicide, aged six.

If what I'm saying is true, the odds are strong that, on the next iteration, he won't kill himself; that was basically a freak event that turned me into a massively antisocial sociopath. I was extremely happy as a small child. I think, if he lives, I will become an extremely happy young adult also.

I am totally down with rolling the dice on this being the case.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

And it's going to suck lol. Firmly convinced that I am just part of the universe, and that my qualia, my subjectivity, is part of it also, and that the universe oscillates.

Oh God. Wouldn't that just be a nightmare!? That's just too insane to think about.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

Oh God. Wouldn't that just be a nightmare!? That's just too insane to think about.

If it's true though, it basically means that the universe is a forgiveness engine- that you'll always have the chance to "get it right". I fucked up too much too young this time, but a "me" stripped of my problems will exist again and again forever and ever.

 

[Painless_end]

I personally do not believe in reincarnation or hell or heaven.

Death is final and irreversible. We came from the void. Into the void we go back again.

Millenia of human existence has happened before us today. I do not feel any connection to the past. I am just a biological growth from a sperm and egg meeting.

I came from the void, and back into the void I'll go.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

I'm not positing spiritual reincarnation- I don't say that you will become something else based on your karma.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

If you're an asocial sociopath, then it stands to reason that perhaps you don't even believe any of this and you're relieving your anhedonia by posting a provocative theory to get people stirred up.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

If you're an asocial sociopath, then it stands to reason that perhaps you don't even believe any of this and you're relieving your anhedonia by posting a provocative theory to get people stirred up.

A little of both, to be sure. Still though, it at least ought to be entertained as a possibility.

 

[kcn2020]

You won't. You will be dead, there is no coming back.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

You won't. You will be dead, there is no coming back.

Ever heard of the Ship of Thesus paradox?

 

[RedDEE]

And it's going to suck lol. Firmly convinced that I am just part of the universe, and that my qualia, my subjectivity, is part of it also, and that the universe oscillates.

The universe dies. Your qualia is definitely a part of the universe, but even if you keep coming back (you won't), you're gonna die along with the heat death of the universe.

But don't worry, buddy. You Only Live Once, thank god.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

The universe dies. Your qualia is definitely a part of the universe, but even if you keep coming back (you won't), you're gonna die along with the heat death of the universe.

But don't worry, buddy. You Only Live Once, thank god.

Given sufficient time after the heat death of the universe, maximum entropy will have been reached. Once this occurs, there is a non-zero possibility that entropy will reverse.

 

[kcn2020]

Ever heard of the Ship of Thesus paradox?

Yes I've heard of that. But honestly, those are just theories among many others. My personal belief is based on science, our brain is just a so developed piece of flesh. This complexity allows us to learn and think, develop theories and imagine an infinity of things. But the facts are here, your brain needs oxygen and nutriments like every organ, cut this supply or destroy the organ and everything will stop.

Some people, in near death experiences have had visions of god, angels or sensation of floating around. I have had the same kind of visions when I experienced a near fatal car wreckage a few years ago. I questioned various sources, and the most sensible information I could get is that when neurons die, they emit various kinds of chemical messages to the nearest neuron. This cause a sort of brain "short circuit" that may cause hallucination, like when you are on drugs.

 

[RedDEE]

Given sufficient time after the heat death of the universe, maximum entropy will have been reached. Once this occurs, there is a non-zero possibility that entropy will reverse.

Thermodynamics postulates that entropy can not be reversed. To say there is a non-zero possibility that entropy will reverse is profoundly absurd. It is equal to me saying there is a non-zero chance monkeys will fly out of my ass.

 

[Lupgevif]

I find it hard to believe that. Sounds too magical to me.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

Thermodynamics postulates that entropy can not be reversed. To say there is a non-zero possibility that entropy will reverse is profoundly absurd. It is equal to me saying there is a non-zero chance monkeys will fly out of my ass.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics only applies under high entropy systems. Entropy declines the closer we get to the heat death of the universe, as we reach a point of maximum entropy.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I'm at the point that I don't care what's coming next. Nothingness, reincarnation, heaven or hell. I don't care. I just want to end THIS life.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

You will come back and find yourself being shoved out of a woman into the world again after you die. Over and over. The only hope to stop this cycle of birth and death is to give up any attachments you have to anything. If you love music give it up. Food? Give it up. Family? Forget them. Look at whatever you like about this world and give it up totally.

If the Poincaré recurrence theorem applies to the universe, or Boltzmann universes are a possibility, even this can't stop it.

 

[RedDEE]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics only applies under high entropy systems. Entropy declines the closer we get to the heat death of the universe, as we reach a point of maximum entropy.

Thermodynamics is an inherent part of reality. Thermodynamics applies to everything. Thermodynamics applies forever - it never stops applying. Entropy never "declines". Entropy can "decrease", but that applies only to a "system". Entropy of the universe is continuously increasing and can never decrease, or decline, and it cannot reverse.

Bro are you just trolling?

 

[Meditation guide]

If the Poincaré recurrence theorem applies to the universe, or Boltzmann universes are a possibility, even this can't stop it.

We create our own reality in this world and after death and our likes and dislikes make up that reality. Do you love music and crave it? Back you come to be born into a new body. Yikes.

 

[foxdie]

If you don't remember what happened in this life, isn't it functionally a "new" life even if you do the exact same things? I mean, that is an existential hell but at least it won't stack maybe?

 

[Meditation guide]

that is an existential hell but at least it won't stack maybe?

Suffering is what you will experience just as you did in this life. Life is about suffering. Anything else is just a temporary distraction.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

Thermodynamics is an inherent part of reality. Thermodynamics applies forever - it never stops applying. Entropy never "declines". Entropy can "decrease", but that applies only to a "system". Entropy of the universe is continuously increasing and can never decrease, or decline, and it cannot reverse.

Bro are you just trolling?

This is a mangling of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Once maximum entropy is achieved, the universe will enter a low-entropic state of near equilibrium. This is the state in which Boltmann brains, universes, etc. become plausible.

If you don't remember what happened in this life, isn't it functionally a "new" life even if you do the exact same things? I mean, that is an existential hell but at least it won't stack maybe?

I don't think you'll even necessarily do the same things.

 

[Wayfaerer]

Eternal Recurrence is truly my worst nightmare and the scary thing is is that it's actually plausible. Lately I've been having a severe existential crisis because of this because it is far too late for me to change course with this information. I cannot cope with this hell!

The thought of reincarnation is far scarier than the thought of death.

It's worse than reincarnation. You come back into the exact same world as you and end up having all of the exact same thoughts and doing all of the exact same things. Repeatedly. Over and over and over and over and over... ad infinitum. There would be no escape, not even in death.

Maybe you'll make different decisions and things turn out differebtly in the next occurence?

Because there is no free will.

 

[foxdie]

I don't think you'll even necessarily do the same things.

I wouldn't necessarily choose to be chained to the mortal coil in this way, but if my memory doesn't stack it will be slightly less horrifying lol