I bought SN from a brick and mortar store in the US

[departedfreedom]

The correct product should be priced in the $20-$50 range.

Thanks. Definitely not the one I found then. It's 160 euros.

 

[BradGuy123]

I'm baffled by this riddle. I think I know two box stores that are common in "industrial areas" but being in a glass jar and never being expected to be taken out of the jar and it withstanding heat? Assuming I have the box store right I wonder what section/department it would be found in.

 

[Riu]

I'm baffled by this riddle. I think I know two box stores that are common in "industrial areas" but being in a glass jar and never being expected to be taken out of the jar and it withstanding heat? Assuming I have the box store right I wonder what section/department it would be found in.

I was stumped about this too, so I want to say that the whole jar is not expected to be heated, the sn inside is expected to be in contact with heat.

Also if you find what this product is, there are different brands selling it and not every brand has the high purity of the one that is being referenced in this post.

 

[aallsskksskk]

That's super cool and very impressive. You should really give yourself a pat on the back, if this is real then this could be very impactful for the community.

I'm no chemist, but I know that some chemicals can help neutralize others, especially in the context of medication. Is there any possible way that those remaining 2% of impurities are intentionally binding/neutralizing chemicals of some sort?

 

[meddle]

I was stumped about this too, so I want to say that the whole jar is not expected to be heated, the sn inside is expected to be in contact with heat.

Also if you find what this product is, there are different brands selling it and not every brand has the high purity of the one that is being referenced in this post.

but how do you heat sn without heating the jar? like its not meant to be opened...

 

[Riu]

but how do you heat sn without heating the jar? like its not meant to be opened...

No, it's meant to be opened.

 

[meddle]

No, it's meant to be opened.

its just @msds said that "It doesn't have labeling because it is not expected that the SN will ever be removed from its container, nor will it ever be near food. There is no required labeling for such a product, so long as its toxicity is disclosed in its MSDS.", thats why i assumed its not meant to be opened

 

[Riu]

its just @msds said that "It doesn't have labeling because it is not expected that the SN will ever be removed from its container, nor will it ever be near food. There is no required labeling for such a product, so long as its toxicity is disclosed in its MSDS.", thats why i assumed its not meant to be opened

Yeah I was confused at first too, I thought you were supposed to heat the sn to change it, but that's not what it is.

 

[msds]

If this is what I think it is I don't think it would be so easily available or sold at all in Canada right?

Unless I'm thinking of something else.

I don't see why it wouldn't be sold in Canada, the industry it's for exists pretty much everywhere, so unless this product is specifically banned there you could probably find it.

its just @msds said that "It doesn't have labeling because it is not expected that the SN will ever be removed from its container, nor will it ever be near food. There is no required labeling for such a product, so long as its toxicity is disclosed in its MSDS.", thats why i assumed its not meant to be opened

You open it. You just take the lid off to use the product, but the SN does not leave the jar while you use it.

That's super cool and very impressive. You should really give yourself a pat on the back, if this is real then this could be very impactful for the community.

I'm no chemist, but I know that some chemicals can help neutralize others, especially in the context of medication. Is there any possible way that those remaining 2% of impurities are intentionally binding/neutralizing chemicals of some sort?

The remaining 2% are probably just some room for impurities. I am also no chemist, the only chemistry education I have is high school chemistry class, but I know that the main antidote used for SN is the dye methylene blue, so if that were present, the powder would be bright blue-green, not the slightly yellowish white that mine is, which is consistent with how SN ought to look.

Also, because of the mode of action of SN (oxidizing the iron of hemoglobin to produce methemoglobin, which can no longer bind oxygen), you would need the same quantity of methylene blue as SN in the system to "neutralize" it as you describe, as methylene blue reduces the ferric iron back to ferrous iron, the precise opposite effect of SN. Since it's quantity of molecules you need, and methylene blue has a much larger molar mass than SN (320g/mol for methylene blue vs. 69g/mol for SN) you would need a ratio of 82% methylene blue to 18% SN by mass for its effect to be "neutral" (all oxidized methemoglobin is reduced back to hemoglobin). At that point it wouldn't really be useful for its intended function anymore as it'd be mostly methylene blue, and also would probably still be fairly toxic, as methylene blue itself is toxic in different ways in large quantities.

They, uh, probably also don't expect you to eat the industrial chemical, lol
Plus I did the blood test on mine, and the blood test is literally watching it react with your blood and oxidizing your hemoglobin, it turns brown because your hemoglobin is being converted into methemoglobin. If the blood test works then you know your SN is good because that is precisely what it will be doing to all of your blood.

Industrial chemicals generally do not have as strict purity standards as "lab-grade" versions, so it's probably just traces of various other salts which make up that 2%. Also, 98% is the minimum purity, they are giving themselves room for 2% impurity, so in reality it will probably be more pure than 98% even. I wouldn't really be concerned about it, just run tests on yours to verify nitrite contents before you use it and it should be good.

 

[howtodisappearr]

Yep I deleted my post after I realized that I was thinking of the wrong thing. I did figure it out though, and unfortunately I've been able to find one brand that seems so to be readily available at least in my part of Canada.

The brand that is available is only 75% SN though which is disappointing (and also mainly just able to be purchased online).

edit: sorry I don't understand how to use the "quote" feature but I meant to reply to @msds

 

[msds]

Yep I deleted my post after I realized that I was thinking of the wrong thing. I did figure it out though, and unfortunately I've been able to find one brand that seems so to be readily available at least in my part of Canada.

The brand that is available is only 75% SN though which is disappointing (and also mainly just able to be purchased online).

edit: sorry I don't understand how to use the "quote" feature but I meant to reply to @msds

There is a chance that the 75% stuff is also just giving itself a lot of room for impurities, or that it's just mixed with salts, perhaps even just table salt. If you wanna experiment you can buy it and run a nitrite test with a specific mass concentration in water and use the result from that to calculate how much SN is actually present. The only active ingredient in the product is SN, so anything else like I said is probably just other salts. If you run the nitrite test and it seems that the nitrite concentration is much higher than 75% then they probably are just giving themselves plenty of room for impurities.

Definitely do not take it without testing it though, there is a (very small, but real) chance that it has some other thing in it which could have nasty side effects. If you get it, let us know what you find in your tests!

 

[EmptyBottle]

For the blood test, I personally wouldn't do it (coz I don't like SH) unless I accidentally caused some bleeding (and am able to take the blood and put sn on it... away from the body ofc)

Nitrite tests can be more precise, they can tell one how much SN is present (if one does the math, etc... one can tell a 99% from a 98% if wanted... tho pool test guide is enough for general verification imo)

Could you DM me the online store? Genuinely trying to find a source friend

Hi, welcome to SaSu... we don't tend to exchange sources because that can compromise them, or even cause legal trouble since assisting others with ctb, personally (vs generally), carries legal risk

 

[msds]

For the blood test, I personally wouldn't do it (coz I don't like SH) unless I accidentally caused some bleeding (and am able to take the blood and put sn on it... away from the body ofc)

Nitrite tests can be more precise, they can tell one how much SN is present (if one does the math, etc... one can tell a 99% from a 98% if wanted... tho pool test guide is enough for general verification imo)

Nitrite tests are definitely more precise, I have run chemical tests on my samples. I brought up blood test as a demonstration that there was no "antidote" included in the product, as the blood test is demonstrating the exact mode of operation within the body. I also described how it would be impractical to include such an antidote in the product... so if you don't feel comfortable doing the blood test, there is really no benefit to doing that over nitrite tests directly, especially since nitrite tests can get you a quite accurate nitrite concentration as you said.

 

[howtodisappearr]

There is a chance that the 75% stuff is also just giving itself a lot of room for impurities, or that it's just mixed with salts, perhaps even just table salt. If you wanna experiment you can buy it and run a nitrite test with a specific mass concentration in water and use the result from that to calculate how much SN is actually present. The only active ingredient in the product is SN, so anything else like I said is probably just other salts.

Hm that's a good point. I haven't had a chance to look into the options for nitrite tests/how they work yet so but my only concern would be that if the mixture is not completely homogenous then samples of it will have varying concentrations . So any tests I run on a small sample of the product may not actually represent the entire product. I think I'm overthinking though and I probably won't look into this anymore unless my SN from DSL isn't delivered.

 

[BradGuy123]

I asked AI. Chat GPT refused to answer the question. Claude AI answered the question but then said it was concerned I asked and gave me 988. I'm not sure if Claude AI's answer is correct. I can go to a big box retailer, look for the product, and read the label. Claude AI said it was only 20-30% confident in the answer it gave me, so I'm still stumped. Maybe I should have paid more attention in chemistry and industrial arts class.