I bought SN from a brick and mortar store in the US

[msds]

This post is intentionally vague, if you want to purchase from this source I believe I've dropped enough hints to figure out what it is. I am making this post mostly to encourage people who want SN to go and find it, because it's not unobtainable, it's out there. You just have to look! If you find the product I'm talking about here, or any source really, please keep that information to yourself and let others figure it out on their own, as I will describe how I don't think this will be available if it becomes well-known (obviously)


I'm in the United States, and I bought SN from a brick and mortar store I regularly go to in my city (which is a major urban/industrial area), and am seeing that the same product is available to order on Amazon, eBay, and many other online sellers. I bought one of the eBay listings (I boycott Amazon), and sure enough, it is the same exact product. It does not specify that it is sodium nitrite anywhere on the packaging, which I suspect is a large part of why you can still buy it, but I suspected that due to its intended function it may be SN, so I looked up its datasheet. Industrial products in the United States are required by OSHA to have a Material Safety Datasheet (MSDS) which details any potential hazards which could arise from use of the product. Obviously, a toxic chemical such as sodium nitrite would be listed by name in the MSDS:

Component | CAS-No | Weight %
Sodium Nitrite | 7632-00-0 | >98%

Sure enough, quite pure sodium nitrite. Much more than the apparentIy 10% maximum by volume in the USA, it's basically just SN with some room for impurities! I suspect the reason this product is still sold is because it is an industrial product nowhere near the food preparation or chemical industries where SN is normally found. Even so, I don't think it is technically legal for this company to still be selling this, and if it is, I'm sure if I post it here and everyone starts buying it, it will be made illegal quite quickly, which is why I'm being vague about it.


Because of that, I wondered if perhaps this was a different compound with similar physical properties to sodium nitrite (I wondered if they changed the composition to an alternative to address the SN ban). I tested both the store product and the eBay product, using the blood test, nitrite strips, and some other simple chemical tests, and I am quite confident that it is in fact sodium nitrite, as all of those chemical tests are exactly consistent with how SN ought to behave.


After lurking here I expected SN to be a lot harder to get, seems a lot of people have quite some trouble finding it. The purpose of this post is less so riddles about this specific source and mostly just to encourage people to do their own research, since with just a tiny bit of chemistry knowledge you can find this stuff pretty easily. Just be sure to run some chemical tests yourself to verify that it is surely SN, you definitely would not want to ingest some other nasty chemical with painful side effects. I could see this company trying to find an alternative compound in the future if this becomes well-known, and it is always good to test regardless of source.

 

[Star67]

Any chance you could tell us what the store specializes in? Or what aisle we'd be able to find the sn in? Some more vague hints would be appreciated

 

[msds]

Any chance you could tell us what the store specializes in? Or what aisle we'd be able to find the sn in? Some more vague hints would be appreciated

I think I've already given quite a bit away, I'm really concerned about the product just getting banned if it becomes too well-known. But I guess just hinting at the store probably wouldn't hurt... it is not one that most people would be going to regularly, I am an outlier in that regard, and is also a place where you could get materials for another popular method.


Also for anyone wondering, it was $35 for a small jar, I just weighed the contents and it came in at 135 grams of compound. Ordering it online was slightly more expensive, like 40 bucks for the same amount.

 

[Platypus3]

Could you DM me the online store? Genuinely trying to find a source friend

 

[UserFromNowhere]

Could you DM me the online store? Genuinely trying to find a source friend

New account with one message. Doesn't even have the option to DM yet. You're better off looking for a source yourself because no one is going to give it to you at this time. It's a massive risk.

 

[ForgetIExist]

This post is intentionally vague, if you want to purchase from this source I believe I've dropped enough hints to figure out what it is. I am making this post mostly to encourage people who want SN to go and find it, because it's not unobtainable, it's out there. You just have to look! If you find the product I'm talking about here, or any source really, please keep that information to yourself and let others figure it out on their own, as I will describe how I don't think this will be available if it becomes well-known (obviously)


I'm in the United States, and I bought SN from a brick and mortar store I regularly go to in my city (which is a major urban/industrial area), and am seeing that the same product is available to order on Amazon, eBay, and many other online sellers. I bought one of the eBay listings (I boycott Amazon), and sure enough, it is the same exact product. It does not specify that it is sodium nitrite anywhere on the packaging, which I suspect is a large part of why you can still buy it, but I suspected that due to its intended function it may be SN, so I looked up its datasheet. Industrial products in the United States are required by OSHA to have a Material Safety Datasheet (MSDS) which details any potential hazards which could arise from use of the product. Obviously, a toxic chemical such as sodium nitrite would be listed by name in the MSDS:


Sure enough, quite pure sodium nitrite. Much more than the apparentIy 10% maximum by volume in the USA, it's basically just SN with some room for impurities! I suspect the reason this product is still sold is because it is an industrial product nowhere near the food preparation or chemical industries where SN is normally found. Even so, I don't think it is technically legal for this company to still be selling this, and if it is, I'm sure if I post it here and everyone starts buying it, it will be made illegal quite quickly, which is why I'm being vague about it.


Because of that, I wondered if perhaps this was a different compound with similar physical properties to sodium nitrite (I wondered if they changed the composition to an alternative to address the SN ban). I tested both the store product and the eBay product, using the blood test, nitrite strips, and some other simple chemical tests, and I am quite confident that it is in fact sodium nitrite, as all of those chemical tests are exactly consistent with how SN ought to behave.


After lurking here I expected SN to be a lot harder to get, seems a lot of people have quite some trouble finding it. The purpose of this post is less so riddles about this specific source and mostly just to encourage people to do their own research, since with just a tiny bit of chemistry knowledge you can find this stuff pretty easily. Just be sure to run some chemical tests yourself to verify that it is surely SN, you definitely would not want to ingest some other nasty chemical with painful side effects. I could see this company trying to find an alternative compound in the future if this becomes well-known, and it is always good to test regardless of source.

When you received the package, was it labeled as SN?

 

[msds]

When you received the package, was it labeled as SN?

Nope. Nowhere on the packing material or the product itself does it say SN. I had to look up the datasheet. The brick and mortar store literally just had the jar on a shelf, no additional packing material.

The jar has labeling on it, branding and simple instructions, very unassuming and doesn't look suspicious.

Quite helpful for hiding it in plain sight. I opened the eBay package right in front of a friend and he thought nothing of it, just thought it was a normal thing I had bought.

Could you DM me the online store? Genuinely trying to find a source friend

Sorry, no. First of all the online store is just eBay and I'm not going to give you the listing, for reasons described above. Second, as UserFromNowhere pointed out you're a brand new account with just that one message.

 

[aufrechtm7]

i thought i knew of the product you were referring to but then you mentioned it didnt say SN anywhere on the packaging

 

[CenturiesEnd]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around how you possibly found pure SN without any of the labelling indicating it's SN at a regular store, considering the only commercial uses of SN are meat curing salts, which never have >10% SN, or corrosion inhibitors, which are never purely SN. All you really said with this thread is that you found SN at a store (could be any store), in an industrial city (all 1000 of them), sitting by idly with no proper labelling somehow

I appreciate the thread and the heads up nonetheless. I'm sure you have helpful intentions and it's not mine to make you feel pressured to possibly compromise the source. I'll have fun looking for it and piecing the clues together if it truly is available as you say.

 

[msds]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around how you possibly found pure SN without any of the labelling indicating it's SN at a regular store, considering the only commercial uses of SN are meat curing salts, which never have >10% SN, or corrosion inhibitors, which are never purely SN. All you really said with this thread is that you found SN at a store (could be any store), in an industrial city (all 1000 of them), sitting by idly with no proper labelling somehow

Those are not the only commercial uses of SN, this product is for neither food nor chemical industries, which I already mentioned. I'm sure that it being in a store is not specific to my city, any industrial area will probably have a store selling this exact product.

It doesn't have labeling because it is not expected that the SN will ever be removed from its container, nor will it ever be near food. There is no required labeling for such a product, so long as its toxicity is disclosed in its MSDS.

I will also add, there are many details that seem unimportant, which are actually very important. The label not saying SN is one of them. Another is that it comes in a glass jar. There is a reason for that. glass jars are more expensive, so there is a reason for the product to be in that vs. a plastic jar. That reason is heat, the entire jar is intended to withstand a lot of heat.

 

[CenturiesEnd]

Those are not the only commercial uses of SN, this product is for neither food nor chemical industries, which I already mentioned. I'm sure that it being in a store is not specific to my city, any industrial area will probably have a store selling this exact product.

It doesn't have labeling because it is not expected that the SN will ever be removed from its container, nor will it ever be near food. There is no required labeling for such a product, so long as its toxicity is disclosed in its MSDS.

I will also add, there are many details that seem unimportant, which are actually very important. The label not saying SN is one of them. Another is that it comes in a glass jar. There is a reason for that. glass jars are more expensive, so there is a reason for the product to be in that vs. a plastic jar. That reason is heat, the entire jar is intended to withstand a lot of heat.

Wow I saw this before your edit which really gives it away lol. I saw some videos and I wasn't sure if it came in powder as preferred but it is. I doubt this specific product has any risks being taken off the shelves given its intended use but I will definitely respect your post. Thank you so much.

 

[violetforever]

i need to figure this out…

 

[BenderFromFuturama]

I feel so dumb trying to wrap my head around this.

 

[msds]

Wow I saw this before your edit which really gives it away lol. I saw some videos and I wasn't sure if it came in powder as preferred but it is. I doubt this specific product has any risks being taken off the shelves given its intended use but I will definitely respect your post. Thank you so much.

IANAL but the US law regarding SN seems to prohibit selling it at all in concentrations above 10%V/V, which would make this product illegal. My worry is that even if there is an exception for industrial uses, if it becomes well-known and a bunch of people use it to ctb, then it will be made illegal.

Which by the way, I would recommend anyone who acquires this product, pour it out of the jar and into your own container, then get rid of the jar, that way it does not become known by the authorities.

 

[UserFromNowhere]

IANAL but the US law regarding SN seems to prohibit selling it at all in concentrations above 10%V/V, which would make this product illegal. My worry is that even if there is an exception for industrial uses, if it becomes well-known and a bunch of people use it to ctb, then it will be made illegal.

US law doesn't operate this way on a federal level yet. There is pending legislation in Congress (The Youth Poisoning Prevention Act of 2025, was also introduced in previous sessions) but it has not been passed through the Senate or signed by the President. At this time, it's state-dependent, some states don't restrict the sale of it, others do.

 

[meddle]

ugh... what a riddle... cant crack it (and its not like i need to, haha, i can easily buy sn in my country)

 

[NotSoEnchanted]

I wish I would have figured out this source before I ordered from DSL, but it's nice to have such an accessible back up source nonetheless. I spent a couple hours last night searching for the source after reading this thread to no avail. I was then thinking about it yet again today and surprisingly found a screenshot from the beginning of March in which I had found this exact product. I just never looked further into it, my bad! I feel so relieved now though, I've been stressing about both customs and welfare checks after ordering from DSL. I have a recent history with my local PD, so I don't feel great about being able to talk myself out of a welfare check. Even if the worst happens, and my SN gets confiscated, lost, or I get sent to the psych ward, I now have a guaranteed out and that feels great.

 

[msds]

I wish I would have figured out this source before I ordered from DSL, but it's nice to have such an accessible back up source nonetheless. I spent a couple hours last night searching for the source after reading this thread to no avail. I was then thinking about it yet again today and surprisingly found a screenshot from the beginning of March in which I had found this exact product. I just never looked further into it, my bad! I feel so relieved now though, I've been stressing about both customs and welfare checks after ordering from DSL. I have a recent history with my local PD, so I don't feel great about being able to talk myself out of a welfare check. Even if the worst happens, and my SN gets confiscated, lost, or I get sent to the psych ward, I now have a guaranteed out and that feels great.

I am curious what the prices are like from DSL. Not really sure what I would expect. This source was $35 for 135 grams, which comes out to 26 cents/gram, but honestly for me mostly it is just convenient to not have to deal with customs and potential confiscation, I could just walk into a store and get it. Still curious though if you wouldn't mind sharing

 

[CenturiesEnd]

I am curious what the prices are like from DSL. Not really sure what I would expect. This source was $35 for 135 grams, which comes out to 26 cents/gram, but honestly for me mostly it is just convenient to not have to deal with customs and potential confiscation, I could just walk into a store and get it. Still curious though if you wouldn't mind sharing

They sell for about 80 cents/gram. This product is much better bang for your buck. Not to mention no need to worry about delivery or customs or anything (though I had no issue with that personally).

EDIT: Actually it's a bit more complicated than that. Higher bulks actually have higher cost per gram than smaller ones. But at minimum it's 60 cents/gram, 2x the other product.

 

[NotSoEnchanted]

I am curious what the prices are like from DSL. Not really sure what I would expect. This source was $35 for 135 grams, which comes out to 26 cents/gram, but honestly for me mostly it is just convenient to not have to deal with customs and potential confiscation, I could just walk into a store and get it. Still curious though if you wouldn't mind sharing

I paid $97 total for 50g. It's $50 for 50g, $10 extra because I paid via Amazon gift card, and $37 for express delivery. Quite pricey, especially compared to this other product. I don't want to be an SN hoarder, but I am tempted to snag a jar next time I'm in the city.

 

[howtodisappearr]

I'm so confused haha but I hope I can figure it out because it's a relief to know that an easier way to obtain SN exists

 

[RedFruit]

bruh making us solve a post on how to get something to end our suffering is cruel as fuck.

 

[msds]

I paid $97 total for 50g. It's $50 for 50g, $10 extra because I paid via Amazon gift card, and $37 for express delivery. Quite pricey, especially compared to this other product. I don't want to be an SN hoarder, but I am tempted to snag a jar next time I'm in the city.

Oh wow, that is quite pricey. Yeah, you could always grab a jar and then hide it somewhere as a backup for if yours ever gets confiscated. I think I said this already but I'd recommend putting it in your own container and disposing of the original jar, that way it's less traceable. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid, though, I tend to do that.

bruh making us solve a post on how to get something to end our suffering is cruel as fuck.

I'm sorry, I wish I could just post a link to the eBay listing, but I can't. First of all that's against forum rules, and also, as I have described, I am not going to say the exact product name, for the same reason that people will not tell you exactly what DSL is, but will give you hints to find it. If this is out in the open and everyone starts buying it, I'm quite sure it will not be available much longer. You used to be able to order SN from any chemical supply company, and now you need a business account, or they've stopped carrying it altogether. They can do the same thing with this product, make you have a trade certification or something before buying. I believe I've given plenty of hints, as several other people have clearly found it.

There are many ways to get SN, all require figuring something out. You can figure out how to find DSL and order from there, you can figure out how to do chemical extraction or synthesis, or you can figure out what this product is. In fact, I'm sure there are even other ways of getting it, which haven't been discovered yet. That is what the original post is trying to encourage, if you look, it is definitely out there. They just don't make it easy, and if it becomes easy, they will work to make that not so.

But also, if you don't want to do any of those, there are many other methods which do not involve SN.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I'm sorry, I wish I could just post a link to the eBay listing, but I can't. First of all that's against forum rules, and also, as I have described, I am not going to say the exact product name, for the same reason that people will not tell you exactly what DSL is, but will give you hints to find it. If this is out in the open and everyone starts buying it, I'm quite sure it will not be available much longer. You used to be able to order SN from any chemical supply company, and now you need a business account, or they've stopped carrying it altogether. They can do the same thing with this product, make you have a trade certification or something before buying. I believe I've given plenty of hints, as several other people have clearly found it.

There are many ways to get SN, all require figuring something out. You can figure out how to find DSL and order from there, you can figure out how to do chemical extraction or synthesis, or you can figure out what this product is. In fact, I'm sure there are even other ways of getting it, which haven't been discovered yet. That is what the original post is trying to encourage, if you look, it is definitely out there. They just don't make it easy, and if it becomes easy, they will work to make that not so.

But also, if you don't want to do any of those, there are many other methods which do not involve SN.

Don't feel too bad. These rules exist for a reason. New members will be upset, but it's been the status quo to not share sources here since I joined in 2021, and I was a lurker since the NYT article.

Anyways, thank you, I appreciate the hints you've given thus far! I think I'm gonna try to do a dive and see if I can figure out where you got it from. The last place I knew of as a source was DMC, and that got shut down over a year ago (he reopened but I was never able to find his new domain). I'm not even completely interested in buying it but it being sold at a brick and mortar store is fascinating. You saying industrial area gives me a few hints of stores to look at, I think?

 

[scoba32]

Don't feel too bad. These rules exist for a reason. New members will be upset, but it's been the status quo to not share sources here since I joined in 2021, and I was a lurker since the NYT article.

Anyways, thank you, I appreciate the hints you've given thus far! I think I'm gonna try to do a dive and see if I can figure out where you got it from. The last place I knew of as a source was DMC, and that got shut down over a year ago (he reopened but I was never able to find his new domain). I'm not even completely interested in buying it but it being sold at a brick and mortar store is fascinating. You saying industrial area gives me a few hints of stores to look at, I think?

yea its a good rule

 

[BrokenByTheSystem]

Is this related to US? The difficult access to SN?

I'm from Brazil and last time I checked SN is easy as buying anything from the internet. Dozens of results showed up selling it and it's not expensive.

 

[madwoman]

I want to solve this, I was trying to figure it out in the middle of the night lol. Just want to confirm, it's not PC is it? Asking bc I think the label wouldn't say SN exactly and don't think it'd be by the food. Heard this type is not good. Also do you have directly named SN from another source to compare this too or can you say if others have found that source on this site?

 

[Riu]

I want to solve this, I was trying to figure it out in the middle of the night lol. Just want to confirm, it's not PC is it? Asking bc I think the label wouldn't say SN exactly and don't think it'd be by the food. Heard this type is not good. Also do you have directly named SN from another source to compare this too or can you say if others have found that source on this site?

Yeah it's not PC. Not related to food. You should think about the industry that could use this. Read what they have said about the product and how it was meant to be used. You will realize what kind of store it is, and why they need to go to this store regularly. Then it will be easier to find.

 

[departedfreedom]

I think I've already given quite a bit away, I'm really concerned about the product just getting banned if it becomes too well-known. But I guess just hinting at the store probably wouldn't hurt... it is not one that most people would be going to regularly, I am an outlier in that regard, and is also a place where you could get materials for another popular method.


Also for anyone wondering, it was $35 for a small jar, I just weighed the contents and it came in at 135 grams of compound. Ordering it online was slightly more expensive, like 40 bucks for the same amount.

Can I DM you? I found a listing on eBay. But it is quite expensive. I need to find out if it's the same one or something else. Thanks for your help mate.

 

[Riu]

Can I DM you? I found a listing on eBay. But it is quite expensive. I need to find out if it's the same one or something else. Thanks for your help mate.

The correct product should be priced in the $20-$50 range.