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hereandthere13

hereandthere13

why me?
Sep 14, 2023
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i went out with some friends to a downtown club for one of their birthdays. i should have been the designated driver from the start since i took an ativan and drank a little kratom prior to us leaving, but unfortunately, i ended up getting severely drunk before we even got inside the building. i basically ruined the entire night for everyone due to my aggression towards the bouncer and, well, long story short.. i ended up in the psych ward the next morning, staying for about two days. i later found out that i did and said some pretty fucked up things that night. they're all equally bad but the worst thing i did was touch my friends crotch without consent. i wasn't trying to put my hands in her pants or anything but i guess i had been pretty touchy all night which made her quite uncomfortable (both girls). having to hear a playback of my behavior from the people who were affected made me feel like absolute shit and almost a week later im still feeling embarrassed, disgusted and guilty inside. i've already promised my friends and family that i wont drink anymore, but how can i forgive myself and move on instead of ruminating about what i did for however the hell long?? i'm falling into another depressive episode because of this :(
 
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Jadeith

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Sorry for not being helpful but please, if you find a way, post it here. I have shitton of things to forgive myself i did sober so such advice might be quite useful...
 
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hereandthere13

why me?
Sep 14, 2023
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Sorry for not being helpful but please, if you find a way, post it here. I have shitton of things to forgive myself i did sober so such advice might be quite useful...
ill let you know :] also im available to talk if u ever need some support
 
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CedarLine

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Feb 15, 2026
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It makes sense that you feel embarrassed and guilty after hearing how the night went. Those feelings can be heavy, especially when the behavior doesn't line up with the kind of person you want to be.

At the same time, the fact that you can recognize what you did, take responsibility for it, and want to change already shows that you're processing it rather than ignoring it. You've already taken some steps, apologizing and deciding not to drink anymore.

Over time, continuing to act in ways that align with your values can help rebuild trust with others and with yourself. Forgiving yourself usually isn't instant; it often comes gradually as you see the changes you're making.

Feeling bad about it now doesn't mean you're doomed to stay stuck in this moment, it can also be part of learning.
 
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also im available to talk if u ever need some support
That's very nice of you but it would be wasted on me. I've already tried that. I mean talking to some willing listener. To no avail. So while i'm grateful for your kindness and willing heart, i won't trouble you with my darkness,
 
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americanoomad

bipolar II diva
Nov 30, 2025
12
Remember not to be so hard on yourself and know that what's happened has already happened, and you can't change that fact. What you can control is how you move forward with this situation and your behaviour in the future. Maybe your relationship with alcohol could be something to look into? We've all done silly things while drunk, and trust me, I've gotten into a lot of shit for it, too. You're not alone in this, so things are going to be okay, and take care of yourself <3
 
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Mar 6, 2026
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i went out with some friends to a downtown club for one of their birthdays. i should have been the designated driver from the start since i took an ativan and drank a little kratom prior to us leaving, but unfortunately, i ended up getting severely drunk before we even got inside the building. i basically ruined the entire night for everyone due to my aggression towards the bouncer and, well, long story short.. i ended up in the psych ward the next morning, staying for about two days. i later found out that i did and said some pretty fucked up things that night. they're all equally bad but the worst thing i did was touch my friends crotch without consent. i wasn't trying to put my hands in her pants or anything but i guess i had been pretty touchy all night which made her quite uncomfortable (both girls). having to hear a playback of my behavior from the people who were affected made me feel like absolute shit and almost a week later im still feeling embarrassed, disgusted and guilty inside. i've already promised my friends and family that i wont drink anymore, but how can i forgive myself and move on instead of ruminating about what i did for however the hell long?? i'm falling into another depressive episode because of this :(
You touched them??? That's fucked
 
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violetforever

Wizard
Dec 24, 2025
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It makes sense that you feel embarrassed and guilty after hearing how the night went. Those feelings can be heavy, especially when the behavior doesn't line up with the kind of person you want to be.

At the same time, the fact that you can recognize what you did, take responsibility for it, and want to change already shows that you're processing it rather than ignoring it. You've already taken some steps, apologizing and deciding not to drink anymore.

Over time, continuing to act in ways that align with your values can help rebuild trust with others and with yourself. Forgiving yourself usually isn't instant; it often comes gradually as you see the changes you're making.

Feeling bad about it now doesn't mean you're doomed to stay stuck in this moment, it can also be part of learning.
is this chatgpt…😳
 
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i went out with some friends to a downtown club for one of their birthdays. i should have been the designated driver from the start since i took an ativan and drank a little kratom prior to us leaving, but unfortunately, i ended up getting severely drunk before we even got inside the building. i basically ruined the entire night for everyone due to my aggression towards the bouncer and, well, long story short.. i ended up in the psych ward the next morning, staying for about two days. i later found out that i did and said some pretty fucked up things that night. they're all equally bad but the worst thing i did was touch my friends crotch without consent. i wasn't trying to put my hands in her pants or anything but i guess i had been pretty touchy all night which made her quite uncomfortable (both girls). having to hear a playback of my behavior from the people who were affected made me feel like absolute shit and almost a week later im still feeling embarrassed, disgusted and guilty inside. i've already promised my friends and family that i wont drink anymore, but how can i forgive myself and move on instead of ruminating about what i did for however the hell long?? i'm falling into another depressive episode because of this :(
What usually works for me is for them to forgive me, then I have to tell myself like 2000 times that I regret it and It's not my fault I am not usually like this n etc.

If you're neurodivergent it never really leaves uour mind esp if they dtill hold it up to you
 
YandereMikuMistress

YandereMikuMistress

you say falling victim to myself is weak, so be it
Apr 26, 2023
1,351
What usually works for me is for them to forgive me, then I have to tell myself like 2000 times that I regret it and It's not my fault I am not usually like this n etc.

If you're neurodivergent it never really leaves uour mind esp if they dtill hold it up to you
Yea I fake forgave my brother but, I know "i" in reality havent and didnt even in the moment they begged for forgiveness,, I was weak and gave them the pitiful comfort they wanted, without really forgiving them at all,,, there excuse was simply
"i want to move on"
"I want to forget"
Well, i hope they never forget and always keep there poor actions in mind instead of looking for somthing to allow them to "move on"
"forget"
Or
"feel they've repented"



We carry our actions with us and thats what keeps us in check unless you let it ruin you more,,, and I get that feeling im alredy struggling myself..
 
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etherealgoddess

perseverance is inevitable success
Dec 8, 2022
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i went out with some friends to a downtown club for one of their birthdays. i should have been the designated driver from the start since i took an ativan and drank a little kratom prior to us leaving, but unfortunately, i ended up getting severely drunk before we even got inside the building. i basically ruined the entire night for everyone due to my aggression towards the bouncer and, well, long story short.. i ended up in the psych ward the next morning, staying for about two days. i later found out that i did and said some pretty fucked up things that night. they're all equally bad but the worst thing i did was touch my friends crotch without consent. i wasn't trying to put my hands in her pants or anything but i guess i had been pretty touchy all night which made her quite uncomfortable (both girls). having to hear a playback of my behavior from the people who were affected made me feel like absolute shit and almost a week later im still feeling embarrassed, disgusted and guilty inside. i've already promised my friends and family that i wont drink anymore, but how can i forgive myself and move on instead of ruminating about what i did for however the hell long?? i'm falling into another depressive episode because of this :(
Compassion. Literally say nice things to yourself. Treat yourself like a loving friend. Get your favorite food or drink. Gently pet yourself, hug yourself, and touch yourself in a loving way (I don't mean this weird lol but more like moving your finger on your arm back and forth in a gentle way). Say nice things to yourself. Actually try to love yourself. Like it's hard because it's probably foreign and unfamiliar, but keep trying it even though it's hard. The same way you love another person and make them feel loved, do the exact thing to yourself.
 
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webb&flow

dum spiro spero—take it as it comes
Nov 30, 2024
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Hey there friend :) I just read your thread: that's a really rough spot to be in, I'm truly sorry to hear, wishing you hugs personally amongst this 🫂.

I got a ton of clear ideas for advice for you when I read your post and thought on it as I read the rest of the replies.

I want to write something full in content and drive for you, but unfortunately I'm a little strapped for time & energy at the moment: I will do my best to give you a little "abstract" for what a full letter of mine may entail for thee. A little preview, of what I intend for you. May it be of any ease at all, for your struggling soul, in this unimaginable predicament you find yourself in ♥.



You are not the same agency who did those things. Your consciousness was overpoured with strong chemicals and many influences, resulting in a conscious state that is so wildly different from the you who wrote this that it is reasonable enough to regard it as a different agency.

If you overloaded my bloodstream right now with PCP and meth and cocaine, or whichever other drugs that severely alter human personality and behavior,· I would probably not act too cool.

I feel mean... I feel O.K.
I'm charged up... Electricity

Drugs, Talking Heads

Your situation is where you fell into a severely altered state of consciousness, that ended up executing various actions of great distraughtness to your self now.

This is a rather interesting dilemma—one could debate philosophically at length whether you were to blame or not. The very fact that such ambiguity exists and is present in this case is telling.

What more is there to account for? You already swore off drinking, and felt remorse for what happened.

One could analogy your case with someone who suffers schizophrenia or psychosis enduring a psychotic breakdown or similar extreme episode, resulting in painfully regrettable aftermath for the person themself. Imagine this was their first breakdown. And that after the episode, they pledged to always take medication, and to never miss their dose; for the sake of themself, and their loved ones. Are they then to be blamed after the fact, when they truly lost control, and are now doing everything they can to protect themselves and others? When they have taken moral responsibility for what happened, even when their agency was snatched from them, by chemical factors overpowering their usual systems of sanity? I think such a person is not completely worthy of unceasing blame and indictment, but ought to be recognized for the peril in which their debacle took place, to have the facts behind their episode laid clear. The facts are these: They would never have acted such, in their healthy and sane state of mind. Their actions took place in a dilapidated state of consciousness, where their moral sensitivities and capacity for both conscientiousness and self-control, were absolutely intoxicated, wounded. You were wounded, you know that? We would not blame a wounded animal for lashing out, even if it were against its caretaker—why should we not extend this very same compassions to our very fellow humans, who share much in common with pure intentions amongst animals?

You feel horrified at the victimhood and aftermath that has affected your friends and contemporaries. You are a victim too. Your victimhood is different, and not in the slightest any less severe. You bear a difficult weight—the weight of actions you did not intend, the wright of being expected to account for actions you had no idea were taking place.

Consciousness is influenced by chemicals. Many assume that selfhood is simple, but it is complex. Your shock and dissonance you experience here may be analogous to the shock that some people experience when their loved ones go from being lovely to awful after intaking intoxicants: It's an unwelcome surprise, the severe effects chemical alterances can have on a person's demeanor. But in this case, it is all the more horrifying, because you grapple the moral horror of hearing from outside accounts actions that occurred in your own body. But they were not done in your own mind. Not the mind you live with right now. Not the mjnd that you wrote this with. Not the mind that hesrd the news. Not the mind that regrets what happened. It's not the same mind. It's not the same agency. It's such an extreme difference between those two mnds, they act in such a radical contrast, that it is only practical to regard them morally as anything but the same agent. This you right now, you, @hereandthere13, are not to blame for what happened.

You are doing everything you can right now. You're trying to fix everything that got messed up. You might have shattered some things while drunk, but now in your sobriety you are working overtime, sweeping up the broken pieces of yesterday's life. You need something right now. What is it? You don't need blame. You need forgiveness.

Forgive yourself. You are trying your absolute best right now; what more can love and humanity expect from you? ♥

A good person is defined not by their mistakes, but how they respond to them.

Forgive yourself. You have revealed yourself to be doubtlessly moral, by the immense condemnation you felt, and levied upon yourself, in the aftermath of that horrific, horrific news. That news is old news. The state has changed. You, are not the same. You have changed. You are sober, and you ought to bear forgiveness.

Not everyone has to forgive you. It will be too much to expect every single person to. But there IS one single person whom you do deserve it from. Yourself.

How are you supposed to forgive yourself? It is actually very difficult, especially in a predicament as taxing as yours, and I apologize if my previous exhortations may have made you feel any more guilt than you grapple with already.

You can forgive yourself by developing how you understand consciousness, agency, and moral accountability. No matter which moral or ethical background you come from, be it religious or secular, theistic or atheistic, there is forgiveness for you. It's not something you earn, but something you learn. The person you are when you're seeking your peace of mind will not be the same one who lives in it: but it will be tasted by you, the person I am writing this to, nonetheless.

And whoever you are and would or will be—I dedicate this letter to you, nonetheless. And I profess these words and advisements to any one in such a circumstance as tearjerkingly maddening as yours. I truly cannot imagine what you must be feeling right now. You are still a human being; with a tender conscience, who doesn't want to hurt others, who feels hurt when others are hurt, who wants to do everything they can to ease rhe lives of others. Please take care of yourself. You don't deserve execution, but healing. Not condemnation, but forgiveness.

Regret (in its active, most painful form) may be understood as a desire to undo certain actions; and even when that pain resides, one may still think to oneself, a silent still wish that one had done differently. Isn't such a presence truly the closest that a done mistake can come to being undone, in the future? Especially for things that can't be undone simply or directly recompensated. Perhaps this regret itself, and your sincere striving and change you have already rendered and made real, is sufficient grounds for your ethical salvation, after all.

Please feel most free to write more if you feel anything that I have not definitively addressed is still discomforting you. I hope for these words to be of deepest practical benefit as possible, and if they have reached short in any way, you are most free to write out rawly any affliction you feel, and it is my sincere desire to extend the reach of these words into any territory which they have not get comforted.
 
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hereandthere13

why me?
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Hey there friend :) I just read your thread: that's a really rough spot to be in, I'm truly sorry to hear, wishing you hugs personally amongst this 🫂.

I got a ton of clear ideas for advice for you when I read your post and thought on it as I read the rest of the replies.

I want to write something full in content and drive for you, but unfortunately I'm a little strapped for time & energy at the moment: I will do my best to give you a little "abstract" for what a full letter of mine may entail for thee. A little preview, of what I intend for you. May it be of any ease at all, for your struggling soul, in this unimaginable predicament you find yourself in ♥.



You are not the same agency who did those things. Your consciousness was overpoured with strong chemicals and many influences, resulting in a conscious state that is so wildly different from the you who wrote this that it is reasonable enough to regard it as a different agency.

If you overloaded my bloodstream right now with PCP and meth and cocaine, or whichever other drugs that severely alter human personality and behavior,· I would probably not act too cool.



Your situation is where you fell into a severely altered state of consciousness, that ended up executing various actions of great distraughtness to your self now.

This is a rather interesting dilemma—one could debate philosophically at length whether you were to blame or not. The very fact that such ambiguity exists and is present in this case is telling.

What more is there to account for? You already swore off drinking, and felt remorse for what happened.

One could analogy your case with someone who suffers schizophrenia or psychosis enduring a psychotic breakdown or similar extreme episode, resulting in painfully regrettable aftermath for the person themself. Imagine this was their first breakdown. And that after the episode, they pledged to always take medication, and to never miss their dose; for the sake of themself, and their loved ones. Are they then to be blamed after the fact, when they truly lost control, and are now doing everything they can to protect themselves and others? When they have taken moral responsibility for what happened, even when their agency was snatched from them, by chemical factors overpowering their usual systems of sanity? I think such a person is not completely worthy of unceasing blame and indictment, but ought to be recognized for the peril in which their debacle took place, to have the facts behind their episode laid clear. The facts are these: They would never have acted such, in their healthy and sane state of mind. Their actions took place in a dilapidated state of consciousness, where their moral sensitivities and capacity for both conscientiousness and self-control, were absolutely intoxicated, wounded. You were wounded, you know that? We would not blame a wounded animal for lashing out, even if it were against its caretaker—why should we not extend this very same compassions to our very fellow humans, who share much in common with pure intentions amongst animals?

You feel horrified at the victimhood and aftermath that has affected your friends and contemporaries. You are a victim too. Your victimhood is different, and not in the slightest any less severe. You bear a difficult weight—the weight of actions you did not intend, the wright of being expected to account for actions you had no idea were taking place.

Consciousness is influenced by chemicals. Many assume that selfhood is simple, but it is complex. Your shock and dissonance you experience here may be analogous to the shock that some people experience when their loved ones go from being lovely to awful after intaking intoxicants: It's an unwelcome surprise, the severe effects chemical alterances can have on a person's demeanor. But in this case, it is all the more horrifying, because you grapple the moral horror of hearing from outside accounts actions that occurred in your own body. But they were not done in your own mind. Not the mind you live with right now. Not the mjnd that you wrote this with. Not the mind that hesrd the news. Not the mind that regrets what happened. It's not the same mind. It's not the same agency. It's such an extreme difference between those two mnds, they act in such a radical contrast, that it is only practical to regard them morally as anything but the same agent. This you right now, you, @hereandthere13, are not to blame for what happened.

You are doing everything you can right now. You're trying to fix everything that got messed up. You might have shattered some things while drunk, but now in your sobriety you are working overtime, sweeping up the broken pieces of yesterday's life. You need something right now. What is it? You don't need blame. You need forgiveness.

Forgive yourself. You are trying your absolute best right now; what more can love and humanity expect from you? ♥

A good person is defined not by their mistakes, but how they respond to them.

Forgive yourself. You have revealed yourself to be doubtlessly moral, by the immense condemnation you felt, and levied upon yourself, in the aftermath of that horrific, horrific news. That news is old news. The state has changed. You, are not the same. You have changed. You are sober, and you ought to bear forgiveness.

Not everyone has to forgive you. It will be too much to expect every single person to. But there IS one single person whom you do deserve it from. Yourself.

How are you supposed to forgive yourself? It is actually very difficult, especially in a predicament as taxing as yours, and I apologize if my previous exhortations may have made you feel any more guilt than you grapple with already.

You can forgive yourself by developing how you understand consciousness, agency, and moral accountability. No matter which moral or ethical background you come from, be it religious or secular, theistic or atheistic, there is forgiveness for you. It's not something you earn, but something you learn. The person you are when you're seeking your peace of mind will not be the same one who lives in it: but it will be tasted by you, the person I am writing this to, nonetheless.

And whoever you are and would or will be—I dedicate this letter to you, nonetheless. And I profess these words and advisements to any one in such a circumstance as tearjerkingly maddening as yours. I truly cannot imagine what you must be feeling right now. You are still a human being; with a tender conscience, who doesn't want to hurt others, who feels hurt when others are hurt, who wants to do everything they can to ease rhe lives of others. Please take care of yourself. You don't deserve execution, but healing. Not condemnation, but forgiveness.

Regret (in its active, most painful form) may be understood as a desire to undo certain actions; and even when that pain resides, one may still think to oneself, a silent still wish that one had done differently. Isn't such a presence truly the closest that a done mistake can come to being undone, in the future? Especially for things that can't be undone simply or directly recompensated. Perhaps this regret itself, and your sincere striving and change you have already rendered and made real, is sufficient grounds for your ethical salvation, after all.

Please feel most free to write more if you feel anything that I have not definitively addressed is still discomforting you. I hope for these words to be of deepest practical benefit as possible, and if they have reached short in any way, you are most free to write out rawly any affliction you feel, and it is my sincere desire to extend the reach of these words into any territory which they have not get comforted.
this was one of the most beautifully comprehensive responses i have ever recieved on SaSu. i really don't know how to express my gratitude except by saying thank you. every single corner has been touched, literally and figuratively, and it wouldn't have been done hadn't you come across my post. you are a wonderful person with such a thoughtful soul. thank you for spending the time writing your heart out.. to me! it means so much <3
 
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SASU-KE

Mage
Nov 26, 2025
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Some people are not meant to ever touch alcohol. That includes you and I,lol.

Forgive yourself and move on. Words and promises are empty. Just resolve yourself and don't touch alcohol again. I did the same.
 
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woofwag

Bad dog
Sep 17, 2025
442
Dude as much as I believe you should be able to move on because, yes, it is not healthy for you or anyone involved to ruminate, you need to find some way to make amends with the people you hurt that. Especially the friend you SA'd, that's fucked up and you and her should at the very least have a long discussion about that. Genuinely plz go into some sort of program or therapy, whether it be IOP, the ward, some kind of recovery program, fuckin anything because that is not acceptable behavior in the slightest and you need serious intervention when you're doing that level of messed up stuff.

People can crucify me on here all they want, but I'm not going to pacify my words or pretend like any of this is ok and coddle you. It's actually a good thing you're feeling guilty right now, you should have some guilt for what you did. But take that as you actually having a conscience and recognizing your behavior as an issue. That's the first step. There are many more.
 
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daruino

odi et amo
Nov 9, 2025
104
It seems like your really focusing on shame right now, but endless self-hatred isn't going to help you, your friends, or make anything better. You made a mistake, and now all you can do is choosing how you respond to it. I second @woofwag . Before forgiving yourself you seriously need to make amends with the friend(s) you SA'd. This means genuinely apologizing without making excuses for yourself. It could be that they don't forgive you. It might require time and consistent behavior before they feel comfortable being around you again. And that's ok. Stay connected with them- and if you are seeing a therapist it could be helpful to discuss this. Best wishes.
 
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