Resource How pro-lifers will take away your right to death – information straight from the authorities

[MathConspiracy]

This is my first effortpost here. I found my country's suicide prevention program from the website of a government agency and I wanted to make a list of all the methods these mean people are going to put in action to make us stay. Maybe this will shed some light into the current situation with DMC. For context, I'm located in an EU member state. This is a rough translation with only the main points included. Hope you'll find it entertaining.

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KEY POINTS FROM OUR NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION PROGRAM FOR THE 2020s

Influencing the Attitudes
1. Raising public awareness on mental issues
2. Offering education to emergency responders
3. Youth workers, coaches, counselors, social workers, security guards, police officers, reporters, firefighters etc. have a central role in this

Limiting Access to the Means
1. Acknowledging the suicide risk in traffic
2. Acknowledging the suicide risk near buildings, bridges and railroads
3. Designing the interior of institutions (hospitals, juvenile facilities and prisons) with the possibility of suicide attempts in mind
4. Making regulations for the availability and containment of poisons
5. Developing the regulations for the availability of prescription medications and their possession at home, taking drug addictions into account
6. Regulating the accessibility of weapons

Early Intervention
1. Expanding helplines to other language groups
2. Starting a 24/7 online suicide chat to which social media platforms will be obligated to direct their users
3. Reinforcing the low-level support services in schools

Supporting the At-Risk People
1. Supporting the families of suicidal people
2. Developing culturally sensitive prevention programs for minority groups
3. Sending suicide educators to schools and the military
4. Asking people with a substance problem about their possible suicidal thoughts

Developing Treatment
1. Educating healthcare professionals about suicide prevention
2. Reinforcing the cooperation between treatment providers
3. Taking a suicidal person to an immediate assessment with a psychiatrist, making a safety plan with them
4. Directing more resources to third sector work

Social Media
1. Obligating social media platforms to ban all content that seems to encourage suicide, and forcing them create a support system for those at risk
2. Creating a training for how to communicate about suicide for journalists and social media influencers

WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IN PRACTICE – MY INTERPRETATION

Influencing the Attitudes
Raising awareness about suicide and mental issues is not a magic solution. I believe that this can even lead to a sort of romanticization of mental illness. It can also lead to attention seeking behavior. By attention seeking I mean self-harm for the sake of showing off with your scars (or any other visible SH) and making half-hearted suicide attempts with no real intention to die. These behaviors are dangerous anyway, so you should not engage in them without a genuine desire to escape the pain. Just because someone did it in a cool Pinterest post doesn't mean that it's cool. This is what the helplines are the most efficient in preventing.

Of course, as per the pro-choice ideology, you have the ultimate power over your body and no one else has the right to intervene without your consent, so what you do with your life and death is none of my business.

Limiting Access to the Means
Now, this is what bugs me the most. Reading that literally made my blood boil. Step 4, regulating the availability of poisons, indirectly refers to the situation with DMC. This makes me think if the authorities here know something about it. I believe DMC has been on their radar for longer than we dare to admit. Simply the word "poison" gives SN in.

This has been said many times, but how beneficial is it really to remove the most peaceful ways of dying? It won't lessen suicides the same way as "raising awareness" won't. They have that old fashioned "lock 'em up and throw away the key" mentality when it comes to preventing suicides which, unfortunately, is the the most convenient methods of intervention to them. Banning the good methods will just make people suffer in silence, continuing to live as scared submissives for the monsters out there.

Early Intervention
MathConspiracy's POV: I hate myself. The future has nothing to offer for me, I might as well end things. I think I was always destined to die young. My mind is so cloudy, I can't think of anything, and this numbness inside me cuts me away from the others. I'm fucking miserable and want to CTB.

Poster on the wall: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, GIVE US A CALL.

The people who make these helplines don't fully understand depression. They don't know what it feels like to not have motivation to do anything. I personally have no interest in getting better or taking those "small steps" towards recovery because it's too much work. And what would the rewards for sticking around be? Slavery, sickness and annoying people.

You can only help those strong-willed enough to be wanting to recover. But your target audience probably won't give a shit.

Supporting the At-Risk People
I read their whole list of suggestions for this and most of them were just useless jargon. I only chose to translate the most concrete ideas. Supporting our families is probably a good idea, but here's the catch: what kind of support will it be? Will the suicide prevention workers just lend an ear to their worries and be present, or will they instruct them on how to take away our guns and SN and encourage them to drive us straight to the hospital?

Developing Treatment
Psych evals? Safety plans? Education? Leave your ivory towers for a while and cut the hypocrisy. The sad truth about suicidal ideation is that most people experiencing it will never open up for the fear of getting locked up. I'm not saying that psych wards are inherently bad, but do I believe that admission to them should be 100% up to the patient. So how would a shrink appointment and a safety plan make you change the mind of a person who already has their letters written, SN ordered and goodbyes said? If you really wanted to help us get rid of these thoughts, you would listen to us. And if these thoughts didn't go away despite everything being tried (voluntarily), you should allow us to leave this world.

Social Media
User: "I want to kms"
Google: Help is available. Call XXXXXXXXXXX for confidential support right now.

No shit, Sherlock. Of course I know that help is available. Of course I know about the helplines. But I don't feel like calling them, not now, not ever.

It's very insensitive and disrespectful of the tech companies to ignore our problems by directing us to some pro-life websites. It's a bit like taking a cancer patient to an empty hospital with no staff, hoping for him to heal. Throwing 988s and crisis chats at our faces will free you of responsibility but it'll do no good to the person you're trying to "help".

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I think programs like this are the reason why people attempt CTB. Nobody really cares about us and that is obvious. Suicidal people get shamed, locked up, stripped of their liberties, imprisoned, forcibly medicated and looked down upon.

Just let us go.

Edit: Grammar and spelling check, some words changed for clarity. I should never write anything when I'm tired!

 

[imOK]

I've dealt with the kafkaesque german bureaucracy most of my life (there's nothing in the world like a german bureaucrat) and have met some very, uh, pillars of society, in that role and can give you the insight that some people become incredibly and irrationally angry if somebody does not follow the predetermined, socially acceptable path in life they have been raised and groomed for. Being confronted with something that's not exactly like they learned or imagined it is deeply upsetting to them. People like those that most likely also came up with this? It keeps them up at night. Their way or no way. That level of agency (and with that, rejection of their views) we demand is unthinkable to them. Accepting our freedom is akin to you accepting them coming into your living room and shitting on your couch. There will never be consent.

 

[MathConspiracy]

I've dealt with the kafkaesque german bureaucracy most of my life (there's nothing in the world like a german bureaucrat) and have met some very, uh, pillars of society, in that role and can give you the insight that some people become incredibly and irrationally angry if somebody does not follow the predetermined, socially acceptable path in life they have been raised and groomed for. Being confronted with something that's not exactly like they learned or imagined it is deeply upsetting to them. People like those that most likely also came up with this? It keeps them up at night. Their way or no way. That level of agency (and with that, rejection of their views) we demand is unthinkable to them. Accepting our freedom is akin to you accepting them coming into your living room and shitting on your couch. There will never be consent.

Couldn't have said it better, mate.

 

[Yavannah]

i naively believed that people in the future will have easy access to assisted dying and suicide boots but the more things progress i think they will have it even worse than we do now!
i can see governments in the future using AI to prevent and stop suicides.
imagine a robot that can detect your suicidality by simply scanning your brain activity.
or someone standing on a bridge just to be stopped by a ,suicide prevention drone' ..
i still hope things will progress in the opposite direction but after reading things like this ..

 

[MathConspiracy]

i naively believed that people in the future will have easy access to assisted dying and suicide boots but the more things progress i think they will have it even worse than we do now!
i can see governments in the future using AI to prevent and stop suicides.
imagine a robot that can detect your suicidality by simply scanning your brain activity.
or someone standing on a bridge just to be stopped by a ,suicide prevention drone' ..
i still hope things will progress in the opposite direction but after reading things like this ..

You know, it didn't even cross my mind that they could be that cruel, you're making a good point. Hundreds of companies are probably developing that tech as we speak.

Technology was supposed to liberate us – look at us know. What used to be "don't be evil" is now "spy on the users for easy money". We are being watched 24/7. Malevolent agencies are likely reading these very words at this very moment.

Imagine what the 2030s will be like.

 

[imOK]

i naively believed that people in the future will have easy access to assisted dying and suicide boots but the more things progress i think they will have it even worse than we do now!

I'm older and remember the 90s vividly as a time where it really felt like all is possible and the world becoming more and more free. Then 9/11 happened and around that time everything started moving backwards and it's only getting worse and worse since then. I would've never pictured a future were we have budding AI at the same time with that massive amount of ignorance. Feels unreal.

I got *very* excited about AI in the late 10s and when it hit mainstream I felt quite pleased with myself until I realized that it's just another shiny tool that'll be abused by rich assholes to get a tiny little bit richer, on the expense of everyone else. That the likes of Zuckerberg and Musk are so excited about it should've been all the warning I needed. That technology has the capability to create a corporate hellscape where not even your thoughts belong to you, and that's exactly also what's gonna happen. I'm glad I'm noping out before that.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i naively believed that people in the future will have easy access to assisted dying and suicide boots but the more things progress i think they will have it even worse than we do now!
i can see governments in the future using AI to prevent and stop suicides.
imagine a robot that can detect your suicidality by simply scanning your brain activity.
or someone standing on a bridge just to be stopped by a ,suicide prevention drone' ..
i still hope things will progress in the opposite direction but after reading things like this ..

I agree . google and meta ai will help governments monitor us and stop suicide.

Just saw a video that Google ai can now see everything you do on your phone now

Google owns Android phones and they are integration ai into the phone, Google search, YouTube Gmail etc as the monsters own all those but no one sees a problem with Google. Try searching for suicide methods on Google search and u get help line phone numbers

Another reason for me to get out of this evil prison hell world, worse evening suicide prohibition state , worsening monitoring censoring and control

Ai can read 80,000 words per minute and so can watch everything u do and imo will report and or stop anything they consider forbidden including suicide method search or talk

 

[It'sMyLife]

Orwell gets closer to being right almost every day. Some of the things I see happening in Germany convince me that the next world war will start there once again. I love the culture and architecture of Europe , especially France, but there is no way in hell I would live there. Australia and Canada are following the same script. My dystopian theory on the future is that if they ever do have real legal and sanctioned suicide that the only reason they will do it is so they'll have your organs. Oh, they'll tell you it's for the good of society and mankind or in the name of preventing suffering but they couldn't care less about any of that . They do now have unprecedented access to our info and they have mass mining operations in effect . The Hemisphere operation involving ATT is one . When they get caught they hold hearings to justify it all and say we won't do that anymore ! But of course they do and just change the name of whatever it is they are doing . Politicians are not to be trusted is one thing I am sure of. They've all gotten wealthy selling access and are never asked how they got so rich. The media is missing in action

 

[22yearsbroken]

How about you do a pro-life program that prevents military action against countries that are already war torn ... just because the ketamine pony boy and the orange idiot want some minerals...

So having a choice about your own life is wrong...
But providing the weapons that destroy schools and hospitals is fine ..

Get a fucking grip...

 

[MathConspiracy]

How about you do a pro-life program that prevents military action against countries that are already war torn ... just because the ketamine pony boy and the orange idiot want some minerals...

So having a choice about your own life is wrong...
But providing the weapons that destroy schools and hospitals is fine ..

Get a fucking grip...

Exactly. But I think that the reason why they keep us alive is that they want us to bomb these schools and hospitals.

 

[voidlover777]

How about you do a pro-life program that prevents military action against countries that are already war torn ... just because the ketamine pony boy and the orange idiot want some minerals...

So having a choice about your own life is wrong...
But providing the weapons that destroy schools and hospitals is fine ..

Get a fucking grip...

Im facing felony charges for lying about drug use and past hospitalizations on a form, even though I didn't get the gun. The priorities of the system is absurd. Don't die of ur own will but we'll kill you if u stand in our way.

 

[22yearsbroken]

Im facing felony charges for lying about drug use and past hospitalizations on a form, even though I didn't get the gun. The priorities of the system is absurd. Don't die of ur own will but we'll kill you if u stand in our way.

We cant pay taxes when we are dead.. the only 2 true things in life.. as the quote says...death and taxes

But yes if i want to ctb its my life ..i can choose too eat cheese or not eat cheese .. people can choose to have kids..or abort .. the right to life is and always should be in the hands of the person mit the gkvernment ..
Im sorry about the charges.. i hope it works out for you .. but its daft i mean wbo hasnt fudged some pqperwork here and there..

 

[imOK]

people can choose to have kids

They start to slowly realize that "not" will hurt their bottom line. I wonder how draconian that one's gonna get.

 

[voidlover777]

We cant pay taxes when we are dead.. the only 2 true things in life.. as the quote says...death and taxes

But yes if i want to ctb its my life ..i can choose too eat cheese or not eat cheese .. people can choose to have kids..or abort .. the right to life is and always should be in the hands of the person mit the gkvernment ..
Im sorry about the charges.. i hope it works out for you .. but its daft i mean wbo hasnt fudged some pqperwork here and there..

I never paid taxes, im disabled, i think disabled ppl are kept around in the US to make money off of treatments and incarceration for homelessness or drug addiction which is really common for disabled ppl. Also taxes don't fund government spending, "magic money computers" do if u live in the US and China, maybe also the EU, idk if it has full currency sovereignty.

 

[RosieRed71]

Exactly. But I think that the reason why they keep us alive is that they want us to bomb these schools and hospitals.

If only the NHS did actually give a flying fuck about supporting vulnerable people. Last year I attempted to CTB. I set everything up to hang myself but bottled it at the last minute and called 999.

The paramedics were bloody brilliant. I spoke to the Dr in A&E and shortly afterwards got a visit from the Psych Liaison team. She spoke to me like I was a 3 year old who'd had a tantrum and asked me if I'd just come in to get some Diazepam. After she left, I told a nurse I wanted to go home. I was allowed to sign myself out with no further discussion. My plan (had anyone asked) was to go home and finish the job. But the moment had passed.

I was referred to the Crisis Home Treatment Team who suggested taking a warm bath, having a cup of tea or joining a knit and natter group.

 

[EmptyBottle]

Im facing felony charges for lying about drug use and past hospitalizations on a form, even though I didn't get the gun. The priorities of the system is absurd. Don't die of ur own will but we'll kill you if u stand in our way.

don't forget the gun show loophole, buying with just an ID from another person at a show, sometimes without background checks

 

[Pale_Rider]

"Poster on the wall: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, GIVE US A CALL"

Poster on google, youtube, name one.

I spent a lot of time plugging around Google, Youtube. Finally I found this site. Nuff said.

 

[SilentSadness]

1. Raising public awareness on mental issues

Translation: Telling people what they already know in an extremely biased way that encourages persecution of suicidal people.

4. Making regulations for the availability and containment of poisons

Translation: Banning the sale of legal substances until it's impossible to peacefully ctb.

2. Starting a 24/7 online suicide chat to which social media platforms will be obligated to direct their users

Translation: Harassing people who aren't even suicidal to get themselves locked up through a monitored suicide chat.

1. Supporting the families of suicidal people

Translation: Increasing the power of families to further abuse their children without restraint, and to support them as they are actually the victims of the person's suffering.

3. Taking a suicidal person to an immediate assessment with a psychiatrist, making a safety plan with them

Translation: Infantilising suicidal people further by using the same tactics dictatorships use to control dissent. Gaslighting the suicidal person and threatening them if they don't comply.

1. Obligating social media platforms to ban all content that seems to encourage suicide, and forcing them create a support system for those at risk

Translation: Silencing any discussion about suicide so that suicidal people are truly alone with their thoughts. Deny any possibility for suicidal people to seek comfort from others. Take a free opportunity to expand authoritarian overreach by pretending to care about suicidal people.

2. Creating a training for how to communicate about suicide for journalists and social media influencers

Translation: Helping journalists to spread misinformation and silencing any language that could suggest suicide is anything other than a dangerous threat. Contributing to a societal straw man of suicidal people.

Conclusion: Further harming suicidal people in any way possible, extending the damage to every sector of their being, and gaining as much credit as possible, as well as taking important opportunities to expand the government's endless thirst for power and control.