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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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Last year in October I almost attempted. I felt over my pain limit. I think I wanted to die. But it also was a gamble.

I prepared my SN. Took all the necessary other medication. I cried a lot. I only took 1 mg lorazepam. I messaged my two closest friends. They promised me to never call the police and never to intervene in case I want to kill myself. I really trusted them. I would have said the likelihood they call my parents or police was under 20%.

I prepared the drink. I already had my mouth at the glass. Suddenly, someone ringed at the door. Oh, boy it was the police. The stay in the clinic was a horror show for me. It is documented on here in my posts. I am not mad or disappointed about my friends. They would have been in legal trouble if they did not do that. I am not sure whether I would have had the capacity to delete the evidence. I think I would have been too emotional to cut my bond to them.

I think I learned a lot out of that. I am a little bit too talkative. In the end, it was good the police arrived before I took the SN. That could have been nasty. If they came 30 minutes later I might would have taken it. This would have been even more unpleasing.

I think I had many motives for all of this. I think I did not want to exist anymore. I still don't want to exist. I wish something would kill me. I wish I never was born. I damn my parents for giving me this horrible life. I wish something would kill me. Killing myself in another form of torture because I massively overthink it.

But I also wanted that my pain is acknowledged. I wanted to gamble with my life. If I die, then I die. My dad was surprised I actually ordered something and my talk about suicide beforehand wasn't just empty words.

I think it is pretty seldom that a suicide threat or suicide attempt is primary attention seeking. The human mind is too complex for that. For some it might be part of their motives. But I think a cry for help is the better description. Showing the environment that the pain is so much that even taking one's life is an accepted choice. I think my mom expects less of me since that day.

The whole thing could have massively backfired if I survived with damage. For some surviving an attempt can be carthatic and show that life is worth living. I was in this clinic for acute suicidal people. I think I am a pretty hard case. But there were people there holy cow. I think one young girl had severe brain damage. I assumed she tried to hang herself/partial and survived. I felt so sorry for her.

In my life I approached suicide 3 times. 2018 I stood at the seventh floor of a balcony and looked down to get a feeling of how it feels. It would have been a big gamble to jump. I did not actually try to jump because it was too unsafe. In the end I am pretty glad I did not jump. The floor was hard. But there was a boy and oh well I would have traumatized him. I tried partial a little bit. But I did it wrong and stopped it pretty early when it felt like my head would explode. I think trying partial would have been a bigger mistake than to jump.

Moreover, I think it is too early to judge. In case something extremely horrible happens in my life. I might regret it so much not having drunk the SN. And I will regret so much having messaged my friends that day. Maybe it would have been way better to die that day.

Suicide is very complex. In my self-help group, or other people I met. They only know suicide myths. People told me I have cut my wrist I almost died. Or I cut my wrists I was so scared to die because of the blood loss. I think judging them would be completely wrong. I also did not lecture them. If they want to die, they will have to do the research on their own.

For some small moves into the direction of suicide feel extreme. I am not sure about the feeling when you survive a very serious suicide attempt. The thing that scared me was to survive with damage. And this stopped me. I think there were many times in my life where I would have acted on my thought if I had the means. I am also pretty sure if I orderd SN again I would be again very impulsive to take it. And I would be more likely to act on my thoughts. The health of my family is horrible I think I would actually kill them if I did that.

The feeling in the clinic for acute suicidal people was so weird. A patient killed herself by jumping in front of a train. I did not play with open cards at all. I wanted out as soon as possible. It wasn't like SaSu suicide discussion at all. I cannot describe it properly. On the surface the people participated in therapy and wanted to improve. They played the therapy game. But I was not sure how much of it was only a facade. I told 2-3 people that I simply want out of the clinic and will say anything for that. A part of me lied to the clnic staff, sometimes I said the truth. It was a mixture. The other patients were shocked when I said I don't play with open cards. It felt ridiculous to play with open cards. I have structural problems which cannot be healed with a clnic stay. In a temporary crisis a clinic stay can be a protection of your impulsive choices. But the clnic was a nightmare. The other patients were creepy, you knew the others were also time bombs, the sole fact a patient killed herself could have traumatized me. It felt so wrong and to be such a stupid idea to put 15 acute suicidal people in a small facility. It is a receipt for disaster. The room mate of the woman who killed herself looked really really really not good after her suicide. To think such a clinic stay could help felt so irrational to me. In some way as a means of punishment it worked. I won't apprroach suicide for some time because never in my life do I want to have such a clinic stay again. Which gives me incentives to hide my acute suicidality in front of friends better.

Do you think some people are aware their methods are not actually reliable and lethal?

I had no suicide attempts thus far. I still think my suicidality is more concrete than the suicidality of some people with attempts. I have a friend who cut herself deep and considered that a very serious suicide attempt.

I am pretty glad I did not gamble with methods that can cause damage. There are many people who OD on pills. I think in many cases that's not lethal of course it depends on the pills. They will puke, feel horrible pain, some will have damaged organs. But OD with random pills is for many a horror trip but not lethal. With tricyclic antidepressants there are cases of severe brain damage.

It needs a lot of planning and thinking to prepare one's death reliably. This is why I don't believe that people stumble on SaSu and kill themselves without thinking twice. SI is way too strong for that.

I am rambling.
 
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Dejected 55

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I think telling someone about a planned attempt can be attention seeking. It almost has to be because the likely outcome of telling someone is that they would try and stop you, and if you didn't want to be stopped why would you tell someone? I have told people... and I did so to impress the depth of my sadness and futility of my existence, and on some level I know I was hoping they would say or do something to help... or I hoped so... but nothing really happened, and so I stopped telling people I know because what was the point?

But actually attempting... whether you tell anyone about it or not... actually attempting, even if you fail, is not for attention. That's real. Getting to the attempt is really difficult. I know... I keep kicking the can down the road as far as I can. But at some point I'm going to really attempt... and at that point the goal will be to succeed. I hope I succeed. I will not be looking for attention in that moment.
 
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noname223

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I think telling someone about a planned attempt can be attention seeking. It almost has to be because the likely outcome of telling someone is that they would try and stop you, and if you didn't want to be stopped why would you tell someone? I have told people... and I did so to impress the depth of my sadness and futility of my existence, and on some level I know I was hoping they would say or do something to help... or I hoped so... but nothing really happened, and so I stopped telling people I know because what was the point?

But actually attempting... whether you tell anyone about it or not... actually attempting, even if you fail, is not for attention. That's real. Getting to the attempt is really difficult. I know... I keep kicking the can down the road as far as I can. But at some point I'm going to really attempt... and at that point the goal will be to succeed. I hope I succeed. I will not be looking for attention in that moment.
Can't be a cry for more help and more resources? Moreover, proving how bad the pain is. And not really attention? Because attention itself has no Real benefit.
 
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Forever Sleep

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I think as a conscious, strategic cry for help, it's probably fairly rare. Still- there are the occassional posts here- how do I make people take notice without dying?- type of thing. So sad really that someone would need to do something that extreme to be taken seriously.

I think it's maybe more likely that some attempts are done in a state of desperation- possibly impulsively. Someone I knew made two overdose attempts. Looking at that- I would be tempted to ask whether they really thought they would work- especially the second time. Still, I got the impression they were more just actions taken after extreme emotional pain. Almost like self harm in a way. I don't think they necessarily did them for or even wanted attention. They just did something extreme, while probably hoping it would kill them. Their whole point was- they weren't exactly thinking things through.

It's hard to judge really when people effectively saboutage their own attempts- call for help, abort midway through etc. How can any of us really know how the process will affect us? We may be determined to die at the start but then, fear, pain or both start to take hold.

I just think death is pretty complex. I did fairly well health wise till a few years back when I got gallstones. I've had ideation for decades though. I had a couple of fairly unintrusive sugeries to sort things out. But, I surprised myself that I got a bit tearful saying goodbye to my Dad- just in case I died under the knife- you never know. That puzzled me because I was so sure death was what I wanted. Plus, to go while under anaesthetic seems ideal. I just think it's complex. But, it doesn't necessarily mean that someone is 'faking it' or, doing it for attention if- for whatever reason, they abort an attempt- as I see it. Some people fail an attempt but do all they can to hide it.
 
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Can't be a cry for more help and more resources? Moreover, proving how bad the pain is. And not really attention? Because attention itself has no Real benefit.
I guess maybe a small part of it could be... It just feels to me like the first instinct if help is wanted would be to repeatedly ask for it... and when that doesn't work, I feel like the logical conclusion is either that no one cares or wants to help OR that nobody is able to help... and realizing that, attempting suicide seems the only option left and once you get to that point, it isn't about attention or wanting help... but about bringing an end to the pain. Doesn't mean someone couldn't make a last minute appearance and actually help, but I think once the attempt is started, "help" is not the primary driver by the person attempting.
 
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Hellis

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Jul 25, 2025
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For some it's one, for others it's never. Hell even if it's genuinely a cry for help, nothing wrong with that. Remember, people gatekeeping suicide attempts haven't killed themselves either. The fuck does their opinion matter.

My past attempts got me help where nothing else would have. Nothing wrong with surviving and recovering.
 
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"This place made me feel worthless"
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The clinical term is "parasuicide." Search for articles about that to get more perspective.

I guess maybe a small part of it could be... It just feels to me like the first instinct if help is wanted would be to repeatedly ask for it... and when that doesn't work, I feel like the logical conclusion is either that no one cares or wants to help OR that nobody is able to help... and realizing that, attempting suicide seems the only option left and once you get to that point, it isn't about attention or wanting help... but about bringing an end to the pain. Doesn't mean someone couldn't make a last minute appearance and actually help, but I think once the attempt is started, "help" is not the primary driver by the person attempting.
I went through a crazy year where I just started telling people openly how bad things were going. Eventually, as you say, I realized and accepted that no one wanted to help, so I just stopped talking, went back to high masking and a new pass time of spending 18 hours a day in bed. And that's where I am still. I hate masking both my autism and my bipolar.
 
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May 7, 2025
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The clinical term is "parasuicide." Search for articles about that to get more perspective.


I went through a crazy year where I just started telling people openly how bad things were going. Eventually, as you say, I realized and accepted that no one wanted to help, so I just stopped talking, went back to high masking and a new pass time of spending 18 hours a day in bed. And that's where I am still. I hate masking both my autism and my bipolar.
I don't think I'm autistic, but I do sometimes identify with some things I've seen autistic people do and I wonder if I do them for the same reasons as they do.

Independent of that, I used to say I was "agnostic" when I was a kid. I was raised essentially agnostic by previously religious parents who had been forced into religion by their parents. They wanted me to decide on my own, so I was not pushed either way. In early adulthood, though, I realized I really had always been an atheist and I had only said I was agnostic to appease people and avoid conflict. I got tired of pretending to be someone I was not for their comfort above my own... and so one day I just admitted to being an atheist. Now, I'm not an anti-religion atheist. I'm respectful of others' beliefs as long as they are respectful of me. But I am an unapologetic atheist.

But... even that revelation early in my life... did not stop me from masking my other feelings. I have been miserable for most of my life but rarely showed it. I pretended for so long it just became instinct and impulse to hide how I felt. In the last year I have really been struggling with that, because I do not want to pretend to be okay when I am literally on the verge of a complete breakdown and contemplating suicide very soon. Why should I hide my misery for the sake of others who don't give one, much less two, shits about me really?

And yet... I still almost instinctively want to lie when people ask how I'm doing... and I hate that. I hate that society has semi-forced me to become comfortable with covering up my truths to appease people who wouldn't do anything of the sort out of concern for me if the tables were turned.

I don't want to get out of bed most days myself... but I'm not yet to the point of doing it for real. There was a time about 15 or so years ago when I was in a bad place and contracted an infection and I laid on my couch for more than a week, not even getting up to eat or drink and never had to use the bathroom since I was ingesting nothing... and I did want to die then... but somehow I did not. I allowed my father to rescue me from that malaise... but there is no one around to do that again for me now. I wonder when I will get to the point where I stop getting out of bed for days.
 
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