Method how long do you have to be alone so nobody can Narcan you?

[Caribbean Sky]

hello,
This question is really important to me, so please only answer if you're knowledgeable about opioids - like Rhizomorph, who created the opioid megathread. No offense meant!

The longest I can be alone is 9 hours, but I worried that whole time I might still not die —and someone could still Narcan me and make me face the consequences of a mental hospital.
But now that I think on it? that fear doesn't really make sense.
If you're unconscious for 9 hours and still aren't dead, you failed from the start- impure drug or your ROA is bad. Rhizo on his megathread says if you IV you "blackout" so fast you won't have time to use narcan or even call for help.


This fear has paralyzed me for so long—if it's untrue, I'd be so happy I would cry. you've no idea the peace it would give me.
it's probably the silliest thing, like you're dead within minutes? But I just need to be sure. If you know the answer, please tell me—I'd be so grateful.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

hello,
This question is really important to me, so please only answer if you're knowledgeable about opioids - like Rhizomorph, who created the opioid megathread. No offense meant!

The longest I can be alone is 9 hours, but I worried that whole time I might still not die —and someone could still Narcan me and make me face the consequences of a mental hospital.
But now that I think on it? that fear doesn't really make sense.
If you're unconscious for 9 hours and still aren't dead, you failed from the start- impure drug or your ROA is bad. Rhizo on his megathread says if you IV you "blackout" so fast you won't have time to use narcan or even call for help.


This fear has paralyzed me for so long—if it's untrue, I'd be so happy I would cry. you've no idea the peace it would give me.
it's probably the silliest thing, like you're dead within minutes? But I just need to be sure. If you know the answer, please tell me—I'd be so grateful.

Respectfully this is a complicated question to answer. It's dependent on if your respiratory system has shut down or not. If it's still active then you've got a few hours but if you match just shut down your respiratory system then it's a few minutes.

 

[Caribbean Sky]

Respectfully this is a complicated question to answer. It's dependent on if your respiratory system has shut down or not. If it's still active then you've got a few hours but if you match just shut down your respiratory system then it's a few minutes.

which is why I said if you're unconscious for that long and still not dead then you failed before you even started.
you need to make sure you're doing it correctly.
Which involves prep like drug sample testing, choosing the right ROA and make sure you're doing it correctly, a right dose, etc.

 

[Caribbean Sky]

Respectfully this is a complicated question to answer. It's dependent on if your respiratory system has shut down or not. If it's still active then you've got a few hours but if you match just shut down your respiratory system then it's a few minutes.

Yeah so the reason why the opioid megathread states that opioids are low reliability is because you have to get all those factors I previously mentioned right, which is hard to do if you're an opioid naïve person or not a researcher.
The fear of being "taking too long to die" comes from the risk of failing to meet these factors, as time will not help you successfully ctb.
You either die really quickly or you failed.
The opioid megathread mentions low reliability due to low ease of access (makes sense) risk of injury (if you fail) and lethality.
and I think the unreliable-lethality part IS if you fail to meet the factors I mentioned.
I can't think of anything else (that I didn't mention) that would make opioid lethality unreliable.
They are very fatal. Like very, very fatal.

It's just that when you try to die with them, it gets a lot harder.
i'm pretty sure the unreliable lethality only comes from the risks of

• already having a tolerance
• the opioid you have is impure or fake
• you didn't use a high enough dose
• you used the wrong ROA
• individual factors like genetics (which can be overcome by things like using a larger dose; anything to make the method more lethal.)

If you've ruled those out, then you're good.
The reason why there is such a stark contrast in the unreliability as a ctb method and the notoriety of them killing people on a daily basis is that when people try to use it as a ctb method they look at it wrong.
It becomes a mission, impossible movie.
because people who want to use this method would ordinarily never consider opioid use or how to get them before.
thus, the way they view their task is polarized, and unfortunately filled with misinformation.
This is why the finalization of my research for this method (as its my choice) took a few months.
And even then, it could have gone faster if I hadn't ignored a lot of warnings and important readings. Because, I viewed this method in a really polarized way.
I was too in my own head. Which is easy to do if you're a suicidal person. hence why sn is better..it's just easier...

If I were to give advice on this method, I would say be prepared to do a lot of research and have to get creative about finding out that info because a lot of people won't want to give it to you.
But otherwise, they really are really fatal. I don't think I missed anything.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Yeah so the reason why the opioid megathread states that opioids are low reliability is because you have to get all those factors I previously mentioned right, which is hard to do if you're an opioid naïve person or not a researcher.
The fear of being "taking too long to die" comes from the risk of failing to meet these factors, as time will not help you successfully ctb.
You either die really quickly or you failed.
The opioid megathread mentions low reliability due to low ease of access (makes sense) risk of injury (if you fail) and lethality.
and I think the unreliable-lethality part IS if you fail to meet the factors I mentioned.
I can't think of anything else (that I didn't mention) that would make opioid lethality unreliable.
They are very fatal. Like very, very fatal.

It's just that when you try to die with them, it gets a lot harder.
i'm pretty sure the unreliable lethality only comes from the risks of

• already having a tolerance
• the opioid you have is impure or fake
• you didn't use a high enough dose
• you used the wrong ROA
• individual factors like genetics (which can be overcome by things like using a larger dose; anything to make the method more lethal.)

If you've ruled those out, then you're good.
The reason why there is such a stark contrast in the unreliability as a ctb method and the notoriety of them killing people on a daily basis is that when people try to use it as a ctb method they look at it wrong.
It becomes a mission, impossible movie.
because people who want to use this method would ordinarily never consider opioid use or how to get them before.
thus, the way they view their task is polarized, and unfortunately filled with misinformation.
This is why the finalization of my research for this method (as its my choice) took a few months.
And even then, it could have gone faster if I hadn't ignored a lot of warnings and important readings. Because, I viewed this method in a really polarized way.
I was too in my own head. Which is easy to do if you're a suicidal person. hence why sn is better..it's just easier...

If I were to give advice on this method, I would say be prepared to do a lot of research and have to get creative about finding out that info because a lot of people won't want to give it to you.
But otherwise, they really are really fatal. I don't think I missed anything.

Yeah but there's also factors of physiological responses that you can never determine. It's definitely something that can be fatal and the statistics speak for that... But is it worth screwing your body up for life? My ex-wife's mother passed away from complications that were from a suicide attempt a year prior. She became quadriplegic because of having a stroke due to taking medication and alcohol. So respectfully, I personally advise against it unless you actually do your research like you mentioned.

 

[Caribbean Sky]

Yeah but there's also factors of physiological responses that you can never determine. It's definitely something that can be fatal and the statistics speak for that... But is it worth screwing your body up for life? My ex-wife's mother passed away from complications that were from a suicide attempt a year prior. She became quadriplegic because of having a stroke due to taking medication and alcohol. So respectfully, I personally advise against it unless you actually do your research like you mentioned.

quadriplegic due to taking medication and alcohol.. when you say medication, do you mean opioids?

stroke seems odd. I've never heard of it.
Yeah, if anyone chooses this method – definitely do your research.
It's not hard to in my opinion. You just have to be smart about it and not everyone is, especially with all the misinformation out there.

This is why people will say "choose SN" instead. Because it's simply a lot easier to not mess it up.