Help How likely is SN without any antiemetic to work (percentage wise) ?

[IwantSN]

I live in Germany and I don't have access to any antiemetic. No one seems to be selling them without a prescription even on the dark web (why not ? considering how many people would like to ctb ,it really seems like a missed business opertunity) and I don't really want to spend weeks faking symptoms just to maybe not even get the right medication prescribed.

I don't have any SN yet either ,but it would still be nice to know so that I can plan better. I have read most of the SN threads i could find ,but I haven't seen anyone get a definite answer to this question. It's obviously less likely than with it ,but does it reduce the chances of death from about 80-90% to 50% ? to 25% 10% or even lower ? I haven't really vomited in 3-4 years ,although I've also never tried to kill myself and I weight about 70kgs (about 140lbs) and am a man

 

[imontheloose]

If I gave you a % likelihood on death by SN without an antiemetic, it may be the singlehandedly most arbitrary thing on this site.

You will almost certainly vomit after you ingest SN no matter what precautions you take. That is why you should have a second glass on standby. After two glasses, even after vomiting, enough will pass through your internal linings to soon cause death. IMO, it's mostly added to regimens to try negate the cognitive panic of feeling yourself vomiting and hence nullifying your attempt i.e. you're more likely to call for help.

The doses recommended /kg and even absolute doses, both factor in vomiting and it's why it's multiples above the suspected LD50 of SN. It's a balance of not too little where you vomit enough of the dose to survive, and not too much where you have a horrifying last few moments of vomiting your guts out endlessly.

 

[cecaris]

Which DNM did you look at? I remember looking for antiemetics a while ago and I found it. It never arrived though

 

[ih34rty0u]

i don't think it can be put it in percentages, but i'd say that technically the success rate isn't significantly less than using antiemetics. you just have to do it on an empty stomach, prepare multiple glasses and adjust the dose to your own weight. most people who fail by vomiting just take too much at once. im probably never gonna get meto and SN is my option number one regardless.

 

[Amarajoy]

i don't think it can be put it in percentages, but i'd say that technically the success rate isn't significantly less than using antiemetics. you just have to do it on an empty stomach, prepare multiple glasses and adjust the dose to your own weight. most people who fail by vomiting just take too much at once. im probably never gonna get meto and SN is my option number one regardless.

Is adjusting for weight in the protocol guide? I just thought it was 25 g.

 

[eggsausagerice]

i'd say that technically the success rate isn't significantly less than using antiemetics. you just have to do it on an empty stomach, prepare multiple glasses and adjust the dose to your own weight. most people who fail by vomiting just take too much at once. im probably never gonna get meto and SN is my option number one regardless.

i've been debating buying meto, ty for the info. people still vomit with meto anyways, so i don't know how important it really is.

 

[ih34rty0u]

Is adjusting for weight in the protocol guide? I just thought it was 25 g.

this chart was attached to the SN Bible thread, although the author still said that the standard dose recommended for anyone below 100kg is 25g. but i think the chart is more reliable.

due to differences in metabolism, the lower your weight is, the lower amount of SN is enough to be fatal. taking a higher dose increases the risk of vomiting too much SN, since the body will try to fight the poison faster.

of course taking the "standard" dose doesn't make a significant difference if your weight is like 90kg, but it's a completely different story when someone weighs, for example, 50kg.

 

[Amarajoy]

this chart was attached to the SN Bible thread, although the author still said that the standard dose recommended for anyone below 100kg is 25g. but i think the chart is more reliable.

due to differences in metabolism, the lower your weight is, the lower amount of SN is enough to be fatal. taking a higher dose increases the risk of vomiting too much SN, since the body will try to fight the poison faster.

of course taking the "standard" dose doesn't make a significant difference if your weight is like 90kg, but it's a completely different story when someone weighs, for example, 50kg.

Thanks for the resource. Do you know who made that? How do we know higher doses will cause people to vomit more and faster? Everyone seems to be successful on the 25 g even with vomiting and there isn't much difference between the dosages. Only 12 mg difference at the lowest, 44 lbs.

 

[nitrogenous]

this chart was attached to the SN Bible thread, although the author still said that the standard dose recommended for anyone below 100kg is 25g. but i think the chart is more reliable.

due to differences in metabolism, the lower your weight is, the lower amount of SN is enough to be fatal. taking a higher dose increases the risk of vomiting too much SN, since the body will try to fight the poison faster.

of course taking the "standard" dose doesn't make a significant difference if your weight is like 90kg, but it's a completely different story when someone weighs, for example, 50kg.

Looking at the chart makes me slightly more confused now as if I follow it, I would be taking way less than the recommended dose

 

[OnMyWayToSomewhere2]

Thanks for the resource. Do you know who made that? How do we know higher doses will cause people to vomit more and faster? Everyone seems to be successful on the 25 g even with vomiting and there isn't much difference between the dosages. Only 12 mg difference at the lowest, 44 lbs.

That's 12 grams. It's quite a lot.

 

[Amarajoy]

That's 12 grams. It's quite a lot.

Thank you for catching that! Apologies for the typo. I mean 12 grams is significant but I'm not sure it can be categorized by weight like the chart shows and who really is going to be only 44 pounds? I imagine the lowest would be more likely around the 17.5 gram mark and many people would be higher so are those few grams really going to make that much of a difference? That's the point I was making. I believe that's why the protocol dose is set at 25 g. To assure lethality.

 

[OnMyWayToSomewhere2]

Thank you for catching that! Apologies for the typo. I mean 12 grams is significant but I'm not sure it can be categorized by weight like the chart shows and who really is going to be only 44 pounds? I imagine the lowest would be more likely around the 17.5 gram mark and many people would be higher so are those few grams really going to make that much of a difference? That's the point I was making. I believe that's why the protocol dose is set at 25 g. To assure lethality.

Lol @ "who really is going to be only 44 pounds?"

Yeah, I'm at the 17.5G. Not sure if it makes much difference, but I figure, the less I take, the less likely I am to throw up. *shrug*

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

I wonder if SN could be taken rectally (enema)? I know salts and plenty of other medications absorb rectally. Thinking about it makes me wonder about if someone were to take the standard dose (based on their bodyweight) orally, but also take a significant—or maybe even the SAME dose—rectally, then, well... I can't see how it wouldn't be significantly more likely to succeed, combining methods like this. Is there any info available about rectal administration, or any info about why not to, or why it would NOT succeed/would be a bad idea?? Seems like a no brainer to me?