How high does anchor point have to be? Can I make the noose section stay up high on rope somehow? Please read some of my background and help.

[iminhell]

I am 5'5".

The bottom of my ceiling beam is 7'7".

The knots will come below that.

Suffice it to say it did "work" before. Until discovered too soon by freakish accident. After that and the resulting injuries and other horrifying 3 month aftermath (all the worst things people who plan on FSH fear except for complete broken neck and complete paralysis), I am doubting what totally worked before.

Now when I test, the arbor-knot noose slips too low. I now wonder if my "successful" attempt before being discovered had to do with my arbor knot jamming up high enough to allow for a full suspension. A "lucky" accident.

I cannot get a new anchor point. I am too incapacitated to climb trees or carry ladders.

Is there a way to keep the noose up higher? Like a fixed knot? A fixed knot won't ever work for neck, correct?

Please understand @AreWeWinning @JesiBel @Gustav Hartmann and anyone else who could advise.

I am not being impulsive. I am in a clear if devastated state of mind and was the first time.

I was and am trying to escape a rare and debilitating disease that damages my brain, heart, bones and kidneys. I have severe disabilities, including progressive vision, hearing and mobility loss, severe arthritis, terrible chronic pain, incontinence, significant cognitive decline because of the psychiatric drug and ECT damage done to my brain (I have had severe depression since having cancer and then reconstructive surgery--forced to take drugs and ECT in involuntary hospitalizations). Almost 60, poor, soon to be homeless, alone and without healthcare. Just scratches the surface. Could not be grimmer and I should be gone.

Thank you

 

[iminhell]

I am 5'5".

The bottom of my ceiling beam is 7'7".

The knots will come below that.

Suffice it to say it did "work" before. Until discovered too soon by freakish accident. After that and the resulting injuries and other horrifying 3 month aftermath (all the worst things people who plan on FSH fear except for complete broken neck and complete paralysis), I am doubting what totally worked before.

Now when I test, the arbor-knot noose slips too low. I now wonder if my "successful" attempt before being discovered had to do with my arbor knot jamming up high enough to allow for a full suspension. A "lucky" accident.

I cannot get a new anchor point. I am too incapacitated to climb trees or carry ladders.

Is there a way to keep the noose up higher? Like a fixed knot? A fixed knot won't ever work for neck, correct?

Please understand @AreWeWinning @JesiBel @Gustav Hartmann and anyone else who could advise.

I am not being impulsive. I am in a clear if devastated state of mind and was the first time.

I was and am trying to escape a rare and debilitating disease that damages my brain, heart, bones and kidneys. I have severe disabilities, including progressive vision, hearing and mobility loss, severe arthritis, terrible chronic pain, incontinence, significant cognitive decline because of the psychiatric drug and ECT damage done to my brain (I have had severe depression since having cancer and then reconstructive surgery--forced to take drugs and ECT in involuntary hospitalizations). Almost 60, poor, soon to be homeless, alone and without healthcare. Just scratches the surface. Could not be grimmer and I should be gone.

Thank you

Bumping because if I can get this noose section to stay higher via advice here, I will have an opportunity to leave soon.

So sad but by far truly the best thing that could happen.

Thank you

 

[happysunnydayy]

I've seen videos of people dying even tho at some point the rope stretches and their feet start touching the ground. as long as you can make urself passout you'll be ok you don't have to be fully suspended in the air

 

[iminhell]

I've seen videos of people dying even tho at some point the rope stretches and their feet start touching the ground. as long as you can make urself passout you'll be ok you don't have to be fully suspended in the air

So partial hanging?

I have done partial in testing and never could pass out.

 

[iminhell]

So partial hanging?

I have done partial in testing for fsh nd never could pass out.

I think FSH is the only effective means. I just got horribly unlucky by it not working out because I was somehow, despite being careful, discovered.

The people who succeed with PSH -- I don't get it. I am just as determined and my SI isn't that strong anymore. I live with severe constant pain so more pain doesn't deter. I think they just get really lucky and pass out easily. I am so envious.

In an incredibly luckless life (the last decade; before that quite lucky), the luckiest thing to happen to me is that my knot I used around my neck both tightened well and stayed up high... idk exactly, but somehow it all came together so that when I was found I was a foot above the floor (I was told afterward). But then the bad luck of being found...

There has to be a way.

 

[JesiBel]

Hello! I am so sorry for all the suffering you are going through. I understand you, no one will judge you.

In Full Suspension Hanging, as long as the body remains suspended in the air, it's fine.

There is a 67 centimeter difference between your height and the ceiling beam, which is sufficient. (234 cm - 167 cm)

You can tie the rope to the anchor point first to be a little more comfortable or maneuver easily, since the beam is in a high place.

Then, standing on a chair (more or less approximately 50-60 cm above the ground), you can tie the ligature at the height of your neck/jaw.

It doesn't matter if the anchor point knot is close to the ligature knot (Arbor Knot), as long as it's easy for you to pass your head through the ligature.

To avoid a "violent drop", don't jump from the chair. You can pre-adjust the ligature a little (that the Arbor Knot remains in contact with the back of the neck), and bend your knees until you feel the rope becomes taut, and the Arbor Knot begins to exert some pressure. Then you can get rid of the chair or object you are standing on.


It's best to tie the Arbor Knot just before you're going to use it, so you'll have it at the height you want, without it slipping or coming apart. Is that what you meant by keeping "the noose up higher"?

It's not recommended to use a fixed knot, as the loop will be larger to allow you to pass your head through, and it won't tighten itself afterward. This way, the ligature will have less contact with your neck. The Arbor Knot (or another self-tightening knot) allows more even compression, especially on the front and sides of the neck (where are the carotid arteries).

• Mistakes in the Hanging method
• Main points where the attempt may fail

 

[iminhell]

Hello! I am so sorry for all the suffering you are going through. I understand you, no one will judge you.

In Full Suspension Hanging, as long as the body remains suspended in the air, it's fine.

There is a 67 centimeter difference between your height and the ceiling beam, which is sufficient. (234 cm - 167 cm)

You can tie the rope to the anchor point first to be a little more comfortable or maneuver easily, since the beam is in a high place.

Then, standing on a chair (more or less approximately 50-60 cm above the ground), you can tie the ligature at the height of your neck/jaw.

It doesn't matter if the anchor point knot is close to the ligature knot (Arbor Knot), as long as it's easy for you to pass your head through the ligature.

To avoid a "violent drop", don't jump from the chair. You can pre-adjust the ligature a little (that the Arbor Knot remains in contact with the back of the neck), and bend your knees until you feel the rope becomes taut, and the Arbor Knot begins to exert some pressure. Then you can get rid of the chair or object you are standing on.


It's best to tie the Arbor Knot just before you're going to use it, so you'll have it at the height you want, without it slipping or coming apart. Is that what you meant by keeping "the noose up higher"?

It's not recommended to use a fixed knot, as the loop will be larger to allow you to pass your head through, and it won't tighten itself afterward. This way, the ligature will have less contact with your neck. The Arbor Knot (or another self-tightening knot) allows more even compression, especially on the front and sides of the neck (where are the carotid arteries).

• Mistakes in the Hanging method
• Main points where the attempt may fail

Thank you, @JesiBel you are kind.

Could you please read and respond to my newer thread? I have attached a copy of it here below. It gives more detail of the anchor point height predicament, including stool height and an estimate of what height noose will be after compression and stretch.

I am not good with metrics. I only know imperial. I am too old and damaged to convert measurements.

I think the new thread will give you a better sense of my situation.

Thank you so much.

---
I doubt my anchor point is high enough- bottom of ceiling beam is 7'7". I am 5'5.5"

When I stand on stool (top of stool is 21 inches), my chin can just reach into the relaxed noose (arbor knot) if I stretch.

When I slide the noose down (and it's tied as high as it can go, as close to anchor knot (double overhand loop knot) as it will go) to where it would truly compress my neck sufficiently, the bottom of it is only a couple of inches taller than me. Adding additional stretch to rope with weight of body (less than 110lbs, using sturdy polypropylene, 3/8 or 1/2 inch) and I may be touching the floor barely with toes or feet.

So that is a partial hanging, yes?

Does that mean I am unlikely to die? Does this look to you like a set up for serious injury only?

I could see this being a situation where FSH fails and then it would be just a bit too tight and high for me to undo the compressed noose knot if SI kicks in. I am very physically weak.

My SI is dampened, though, by my serious determination and motivation ( previous post partly explains).

This seems very much in-between FSH and partial. Do you agree? Thank you.