Discussion How can a Side like SaSu exist that easy in the Internet?

[fungus]

Just a topic I am curious about, and not meant as "It is bad that SaSu exist." I am happy that the side is here.

But I know there have been some suicides linked to SaSu, which has made it more widely known outside the community. And I'm wondering if there are actually people on here who are actively working to prevent suicide and who have an eye on the Forum.
You know some good samaritas who want to play savior.

It is for me in general suprising that
a side about suicide that is that easy to access can just exist more or less peacefull.
Suicide is not an accepted topic and we live in times where people go absolutly crazy over things especially in the Internet.
So I kind of have expected that a Forum like this is getting ripped apart at some point. That there would be more controversy, especially in online communitys on reddit or youtube.
But despite an article here and their and the ban in some countrys like UK or restirictions in Germany people don't talk much about it. At least in public.

 

[Save_Me_Mind]

I'm sure there's many reasons, but it would make sense that one of them is as a means to monitor as you've mentioned. To monitor and analyze both the minds of the people on this site, their intentions, along with the methods itself.
If there are more and more new methods being discovered, then those people monitoring can use that to their advantage, resulting remedies to set method and bans for such drugs or whatever materials used for set suicide.
I believe there could be deeper reasons, ones that go into theories that correlate to previous ones.

 

[tonicer]

But despite an article here and their and the ban in some countrys like UK or restirictions in Germany people don't talk much about it. At least in public.

I'm from Germany and i can access it but my DNS nextdns blocked it at first for harmful content. I am suicidal since my early teens and i need a place to connect with other like minded people. I think sites like SaSu need to be officially accepted as a necessity.

 

[amor.dor]

I have no doubt that they are studying us, because from everything I have seen in human history, any good or bad intention is ultimately used so that others can profitI notice that in Europe and other first-world countries, access to this is very restricted. But I, living in Brazil, know it's unlikely they will block this place for me and others from my country — because here there is an enormous political struggle, not to mention the drug trade. So, a suicidal person is nothing compared to that.

 

[fungus]

I'm from Germany and i can access it but my DNS nextdns blocked it at first for harmful content. I am suicidal since my early teens and i need a place to connect with other like minded people. I think sites like SaSu need to be officially accepted as a necessity.

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

I have no doubt that they are studying us, because from everything I have seen in human history, any good or bad intention is ultimately used so that others can profitI notice that in Europe and other first-world countries, access to this is very restricted. But I, living in Brazil, know it's unlikely they will block this place for me and others from my country — because here there is an enormous political struggle, not to mention the drug trade. So, a suicidal person is nothing compared to that.

It is restricted in Europe, but restrictions in the Internet are just not really effective in my eyes. It is really easy to find a way around.

It is for me hard to really assess how much people even care about SaSu. In my head, a bunch of suicidal people from all over the world can't be worth that much expense. But that they restricted it in Germany where I live, also means that at least somebody cared enough to notice it.
Enough for the police to have a look on the Forum.. probaly not. But it definetly could be interisting for mental health professionals.

 

[Dejected 55]

This site neither instructs nor promotes suicide. It merely exists as a place for people to come and share thoughts. Without this site, the reach would not be so wide... but people could gather anywhere online or in public spaces to discuss suicide. At that point, in the US, it would be a free speech issue. Other places in the world with less freedom do block this site I believe.

It would be different if this site was supplying people with stuff necessary to commit or directly instructing us members on how to do it... but they aren't... so it doesn't really hinder suicides by shutting this site down.

 

[tonicer]

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

Guten Tag. :)

I heard about this site in a youtube video about censorship and blocked sites etc. and googled/duckduckgoed/binged/etc. for it but all that would pop up where article talking about this EVIL site which KILLS people so i simply went to this site and found people who are struggling to stay alive and seek aid.

 

[Moniker]

The site operates out of the United States, which can be a bit more lax on that front. Websites generally aren't responsible for what its users put on them either, so blocking the entire website isn't likely.

That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if American law enforcement monitors the site for illegal activity.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

It remains open because the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, and according to Brandenburg v. Ohio, the law can only intervene in cases of direct and imminent incitement to an illegal act; furthermore, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act limits the liability of website operators for user-generated content. In the absence of a personal and immediate connection between words and action, the site remains legally defensible.

This doesn't mean they aren't trying to shut it down. They haven't succeeded yet, but they can change the laws.

The site operates out of the United States, which can be a bit more lax on that front. Websites generally aren't responsible for what its users put on them either, so blocking the entire website isn't likely.

No: when moderators or administrators intervene in the content by guiding, correcting, or validating it (for example, judging whether the advice "really" leads to death), they are no longer passive. At that moment, the protection of Section 230 is lost, and the discourse can become encouragement or aiding, so the site is not at all "safe" from a legal point of view.

 

[amor.dor]

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

It is restricted in Europe, but restrictions in the Internet are just not really effective in my eyes. It is really easy to find a way around.

It is for me hard to really assess how much people even care about SaSu. In my head, a bunch of suicidal people from all over the world can't be worth that much expense. But that they restricted it in Germany where I live, also means that at least somebody cared enough to notice it.
Enough for the police to have a look on the Forum.. probaly not. But it definetly could be interisting for mental health professionals.

I'm giving my perspective because I live on this side of the world and understand the mentality here (and I speak because many other Latin Americans have also understood this:

Here, Sasu are not actively combated because there is a power struggle in our region. Someone who takes their own life is seen as one less person to compete with, unlike in the First World, where greater attention is given to such cases.
If you die by suicide and leave something written or a digital trace that leads here, it's like opening Pandora's box,you end up revealing to others something that your respective governments do not want exposed.

In the end, everything depends on location and mentality. It's no coincidence that it is much easier to obtain certain lethal substances or medications in my region than in yours. I myself helped a friend here get a benzodiazepine from her doctor, knowing that in the UK it would be far more difficult.

I've noticed a pattern forming, one that's growing clearer over time—though I still can't fully define it. Still, I wanted to leave this observation on record.

 

[fungus]

This site neither instructs nor promotes suicide. It merely exists as a place for people to come and share thoughts. Without this site, the reach would not be so wide... but people could gather anywhere online or in public spaces to discuss suicide. At that point, in the US, it would be a free speech issue. Other places in the world with less freedom do block this site I believe.

It would be different if this site was supplying people with stuff necessary to commit or directly instructing us members on how to do it... but they aren't... so it doesn't really hinder suicides by shutting this site down.

Well people might argue that having posts where information about suicide is provided pinned etc. Is suplying people with infos about how to commit. I mean it is one of the main points of the side. But it probaly really depends on the law of different countrys. In America it isn't as strict as here in Germany

 

[Dejected 55]

Well people might argue that having posts where information about suicide is provided pinned etc. Is suplying people with infos about how to commit. I mean it is one of the main points of the side. But it probaly really depends on the law of different countrys. In America it isn't as strict as here in Germany

Exactly, it is very. much dependent on the laws of the land wherever you are located. This site is banned/blocked in many parts of the world. But also some parts of the world block perfectly innocuous sites too. China blocks a lot of stuff that most folk would consider neutral, for instance.

There is a fine line with a site that moderates posts and pins things, to be sure. IF they completely stayed out of things and just let users run free, then they could 100% be free of any libel. But then more countries might block access and it might get too crazy and users wouldn't stick around if it was the true wild west on here... so it's a balancing act.

Still, I think the site mostly steers clear from the usual legal liabilities by not promoting suicide directly. None of the mods are going around telling people to "do it" and offering to help them obtain equipment and setups and such... so it would be really hard to catch them on that front. Much easier to block the site on principle of the concept of suicide, which is what some countries have done. Countries like the USA don't block on that reason alone because of the free speech argument... but they absolutely would block this site too IF the mood struck them right on the right day.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo sevaral years ago it most here were UK and then US . now imo i hardly see any new UK users. yeah there are some but they joined years ago. i also see less europeans , australians ,canadians then before. but the UK dropoff the most. they must be upping the censoring. and evil google hides this website too

 

[BillyBob]

Here in NZ it is kinda hard to get too unless you have a VPN to even search for it. All links on the web tend to just give help lines etc and this site will never appear at all from what I can tell.

 

[inkmage333]

Speaking from a US perspective, but if you use certain terms, the site actually does pop up in the Google results. Forgot which terms exactly since I was trying it on incognito mode (which is how I normally use the site) but I did try searching some stuff a few days ago and the site popped up.

Anyways, I feel like it's easy to access this site from here because of the existing free speech laws. Obviously things might change especially with the state of the government here and all, but also, worse sites exist on the internet. Compared to those, this isn't as bad especially since there's also recovery resources available for those who actually want them. If worse sites exist and can be easily accessed, then by that logic SaSu's continued existence shouldn't be a surprise either.

Don't know if any of this makes sense since I'm dogshit with words but

 

[Forever Sleep]

I was actually pretty surprised and so thankful to come across it on the clear net.

I don't know really. Can a country ban it that is truly in favour of free speech? I imagine that's how it clings on in America and on American servers- I imagine.

It doesn't surprise me my home country- the UK has gone all nanny about it. Especially seeing so many people are miserable enough to want to end it here.

I actually saw on YouTube the other day- and I'm wishing I posted it now, wishes through the ages. Parodying here:

1950's: I wish I could become a train driver. Have a family, live in a nice home.

1980's: I hope I get to travel and live a comfortable life.

2025: I hope I die soon.

And that's mainstream media! It's obvious that plenty of people are sick of their lot in life.

But yes- there can be both here. Now and again, a pro-lifer will come on and try to 'save' people One even messaged me once- because I'm maybe more middle of the road here- that we needed to team up to save people! I pointed out to them, I was absolutely pro- choice.

They don't tend to last long if they really start pushing it. The worst I tend to think is on goodbye threads. The person is no doubt stressed anyway. I'm sure the last thing they want to do is defend their actions.

There are also people who I'm sure have infiltrated the site who want to see it taken down. Sometimes because they've lost a person who suicided who was a member here.

There again, we've even had the incredibly brave bereaved relatives of people come on to thank members who were kind to their loved one at the end. So, all the responses are different really. As are people I suppose.

 

[BillyBob]

I was actually pretty surprised and so thankful to come across it on the clear net.

I don't know really. Can a country ban it that is truly in favour of free speech? I imagine that's how it clings on in America and on American servers- I imagine.

It doesn't surprise me my home country- the UK has gone all nanny about it. Especially seeing so many people are miserable enough to want to end it here.

I actually saw on YouTube the other day- and I'm wishing I posted it now, wishes through the ages. Parodying here:

1950's: I wish I could become a train driver. Have a family, live in a nice home.

1980's: I hope I get to travel and live a comfortable life.

2025: I hope I die soon.

And that's mainstream media! It's obvious that plenty of people are sick of their lot in life.

But yes- there can be both here. Now and again, a pro-lifer will come on and try to 'save' people One even messaged me once- because I'm maybe more middle of the road here- that we needed to team up to save people! I pointed out to them, I was absolutely pro- choice.

They don't tend to last long if they really start pushing it. The worst I tend to think is on goodbye threads. The person is no doubt stressed anyway. I'm sure the last thing they want to do is defend their actions.

There are also people who I'm sure have infiltrated the site who want to see it taken down. Sometimes because they've lost a person who suicided who was a member here.

There again, we've even had the incredibly brave bereaved relatives of people come on to thank members who were kind to their loved one at the end. So, all the responses are different really. As are people I suppose.

You wouldn't happen to have some of those posts from family members would you? I would love to read them and see what they have seen.
Thank you

 

[Forever Sleep]

You wouldn't happen to have some of those posts from family members would you? I would love to read them and see what they have seen.
Thank you

I didn't actually save any of them. I do recall two mothers came on. And a brother once I think. He could see the good and bad of a forum like this. Not sure if a search would reveal anything.

Sometimes it's loved ones finding accounts still logged in to I think. Other times, maybe there are enough clues left to go looking.

Pretty brave in a way I think because, people are often very open here. It's got to hurt if they mention they had a difficult childhood for example.

One Mum though was grateful to people who had been kind to her daughter. She also seemed in some way relieved- or hopeful that she hopefully didn't suffer too much at the end. I believe she used SN. Which tends to vary it seems. Some are seemingly lucky to go more peacefully.

 

[catsalvation]

Maybe I'm lame but for me it was very difficult to find this site. It was just by chance. If I found it earlier (around 2021) maybe I wouldn't even exist anymore.

 

[BillyBob]

I didn't actually save any of them. I do recall two mothers came on. And a brother once I think. He could see the good and bad of a forum like this. Not sure if a search would reveal anything.

Sometimes it's loved ones finding accounts still logged in to I think. Other times, maybe there are enough clues left to go looking.

Pretty brave in a way I think because, people are often very open here. It's got to hurt if they mention they had a difficult childhood for example.

One Mum though was grateful to people who had been kind to her daughter. She also seemed in some way relieved- or hopeful that she hopefully didn't suffer too much at the end. I believe she used SN. Which tends to vary it seems. Some are seemingly lucky to go more peacefully.

Took a look but are unable to find any of the posts. What a pity, was hoping to see what some family members perspectives are on it as most people here treat everyone with lots of respect due to everyone experiencing similar feelings.
Thank you again for that though. Will try to see if I can find some over the next few days.

 

[fungus]

Maybe I'm lame but for me it was very difficult to find this site. It was just by chance. If I found it earlier (around 2021) maybe I wouldn't even exist anymore.

You're not lame, it depends on how people heard about this side. Some searched specific for it, because they read an article about it or have watched a YT Video, other stumble over it by searching just for suicide methods general. Some countrys make it harder to find such things.
It isn't the most hidden website and it is available in the clearnet, that is reason why I said it is easy to access, espacially if you know a little bit more about websearch.

 

[amor.dor]

Speaking from a US perspective, but if you use certain terms, the site actually does pop up in the Google results. Forgot which terms exactly since I was trying it on incognito mode (which is how I normally use the site) but I did try searching some stuff a few days ago and the site popped up.

Anyways, I feel like it's easy to access this site from here because of the existing free speech laws. Obviously things might change especially with the state of the government here and all, but also, worse sites exist on the internet. Compared to those, this isn't as bad especially since there's also recovery resources available for those who actually want them. If worse sites exist and can be easily accessed, then by that logic SaSu's continued existence shouldn't be a surprise either.

Don't know if any of this makes sense since I'm dogshit with words but

Google has been gradually shadow banning it. Before, I could find this site as the first option on Google, but now I have to use DuckDuckGo to find it.

 

[fungus]

I was actually pretty surprised and so thankful to come across it on the clear net.

I don't know really. Can a country ban it that is truly in favour of free speech? I imagine that's how it clings on in America and on American servers- I imagine.

It doesn't surprise me my home country- the UK has gone all nanny about it. Especially seeing so many people are miserable enough to want to end it here.

I actually saw on YouTube the other day- and I'm wishing I posted it now, wishes through the ages. Parodying here:

1950's: I wish I could become a train driver. Have a family, live in a nice home.

1980's: I hope I get to travel and live a comfortable life.

2025: I hope I die soon.

And that's mainstream media! It's obvious that plenty of people are sick of their lot in life.

But yes- there can be both here. Now and again, a pro-lifer will come on and try to 'save' people One even messaged me once- because I'm maybe more middle of the road here- that we needed to team up to save people! I pointed out to them, I was absolutely pro- choice.

They don't tend to last long if they really start pushing it. The worst I tend to think is on goodbye threads. The person is no doubt stressed anyway. I'm sure the last thing they want to do is defend their actions.

There are also people who I'm sure have infiltrated the site who want to see it taken down. Sometimes because they've lost a person who suicided who was a member here.

There again, we've even had the incredibly brave bereaved relatives of people come on to thank members who were kind to their loved one at the end. So, all the responses are different really. As are people I suppose.

Yeah I think in most other countrys then america 'free speech" wouldn't really grip, because the content is considered harmfull.

I find it in general sad how much people with mental problems are left alone. Even if someone tries to get help in most countrys it is a really tireting process that hasn't that much chance to succeed if you have more complicated issues.
Getting a Therapy place in Germany is f.e so fucking hard that as an depressed person you don't get far. Alone after a suicide attempt you have to wait months. (Even Teenager)
And it is one of the better countrys regarding that.

And the number of people who are depressed etc. Is growing. What isn't suprising for me. The world right now is really bad for a lot of people.

I understand that people who have lost someone hate the side. It must be really painfull for them, but I f.e would not know what to do without a place where I can talk about things so openly. I would probaly lose my shit at some point and be more likely to ctb.

 

[catsalvation]

Yeah I think in most other countrys then america 'free speech" wouldn't really grip, because the content is considered harmfull.

I find it in general sad how much people with mental problems are left alone. Even if someone tries to get help in most countrys it is a really tireting process that hasn't that much chance to succeed if you have more complicated issues.
Getting a Therapy place in Germany is f.e so fucking hard that as an depressed person you don't get far. Alone after a suicide attempt you have to wait months. (Even Teenager)
And it is one of the better countrys regarding that.

And the number of people who are depressed etc. Is growing. What isn't suprising for me. The world right now is really bad for a lot of people.

I understand that people who have lost someone hate the side. It must be really painfull for them, but I f.e would not know what to do without a place where I can talk about things so openly. I would probaly lose my shit at some point and be more likely to ctb.

Yes, I think who wants to go will find a way anyway, just probably with much more unnecessary pain and suffering... Stigmatization won't help... I feel like the "mental health" industry just intimidates people into submission with the threat of involuntary hospitalization, losing your job etc... The only thing achieved here that people will isolate even more and planning in secret...

 

[Forever Sleep]

I understand that people who have lost someone hate the side. It must be really painfull for them, but I f.e would not know what to do without a place where I can talk about things so openly. I would probaly lose my shit at some point and be more likely to ctb.

It's got to be incredibly difficult to lose someone to suicide. I can't say I've experienced it in real life so, it's maybe unrealistic to predict how I would react. I suppose though- being this side of the fence, I do think it's (harshly but, truthfully in my view) naive to blame the site solely.

I think it's simply easier sometimes though. They may not want to believe their loved one was truly that unhappy (and they either didn't notice or- possibly didn't do much to assist them) and that they were willing to put them through bereavement in order to escape their own suffering. That's not to say all parents are negligent of course.

I think it's easier for some of them to think they were simply sucked into a death cult and brain washed into thinking that suicide was their only option. Or, that they were impulsive and the methods were too easily available. I'd argue that both those ideas aren't accurate a lot of the time.

I also think sometimes they are angry with their loved one. For quiting life. For quiting them. But then- it can feel uncomfortable to feel angry towards the deceased and towards a loved one. So, I think some of it is deflected from them onto anyone really. The government- who should be regulating everything more, the internet, the people who provide access to methods.

I know what you mean though. I suspect the site also saves people- ironically. Or, at least prolongues their time here. I'm absolutely leaning on this place while I try to hold on until my Dad goes first. I don't really know how I'd cope without this outlet.

 

[A_Spartan_Dead]

Here in NZ it is kinda hard to get too unless you have a VPN to even search for it. All links on the web tend to just give help lines etc and this site will never appear at all from what I can tell.

Australia is very similar and now that so many things are expensive here they monitor more tightly probably fearing people will get access to info and ctb themselves.
The news that say it's a paradise here and it's the lucky country with low unemployment and high wages, are very inaccurate. Public housing has become impossible to get. Low income people are getting put on the street homeless. My prediction is that in the next few years there will be huge fallout so they'll be forced to go to war, drafts and conscripts will be big.

 

[SoulCage]

I think it's easier for some of them to think they were simply sucked into a death cult and brain washed into thinking that suicide was their only option. Or, that they were impulsive and the methods were too easily available. I'd argue that both those ideas aren't accurate a lot of the time.

This is such a great point.
People tend to need someone or something to blame, because the confusion/sadness is overwhelming and the body wants to figure out how to prevent it from happening again. An easy answer provides fast and reliable relief.