Help for suicide is only for rich countries

[Akerblad]

I'm from Colombia, surely you already know what is happen here, I've looking for help for years in Internet and always I find the same, most part of the crisis resources and helplines are only for wealthy countries, united states, canada, great britain, spain, etc etc, I never find any shit for my country, not even in other latin american country, your life is Directly proporcional to your birthplace and your skin color

 

[insanedoomer]

at least yr free , my case , my country are trying to manipulate me to stop thinking about it , just to fit in they're agendas .

 

[Roseate]

I'm from Colombia, surely you already know what is happen here, I've looking for help for years in Internet and always I find the same, most part of the crisis resources and helplines are only for wealthy countries, united states, canada, great britain, spain, etc etc, I never find any shit for my country, not even in other latin american country, your life is Directly proporcional to your birthplace and your skin color

Even in US, it's hard without insurance. It's expensive and even if you get the help, they might actually worsen you than help you. A lot of had therapists/psychiatrists out there with no idea what they're doing. One told me I'm young, i had no reason to be depressed like you MF mental illness isn't just fucking situational. I love how most people ignore that it could also definitely be imbalance in the brain. And besides I have plenty of reasons to want to fucking die. It just wasn't what he wanted. And don't even get me started on the ones that shove their bibles down your throat, they either suck at their jobs and completely stupid.

 

[Insomniac]

I'm from Colombia, surely you already know what is happen here, I've looking for help for years in Internet and always I find the same, most part of the crisis resources and helplines are only for wealthy countries, united states, canada, great britain, spain, etc etc, I never find any shit for my country, not even in other latin american country, your life is Directly proporcional to your birthplace and your skin color

I'm from a place much worse than Colombia. I'm glad someone is finally mentioning this. The wealthier you are, the more you deserve to live. It's an universal one. at least some rules never change.

 

[chicken neck]

If we are so "privileged" in wealthier countries, then why are the suicide rates so much higher here than they are in poorer places? In Canada it is also pretty expensive to get mental healthcare without insurance, and not even all the insurances cover this. Furthermore there are plenty of non-white people in our countries that seek and get mental healthcare so I fail to see how skin colour has a direct affect on one's ability to get this help.

 

[Insomniac]

If we are so "privileged" in wealthier countries, then why are the suicide rates so much higher here than they are in poorer places? In Canada it is also pretty expensive to get mental healthcare without insurance, and not even all the insurances cover this.

I get your point but people who say that suicide rates are lower in poorer countries are completely out of touch with reality.

If someone die out of suicide here, people will do their best to keep it confidential ( taboo) and a lot of horrible things happen without report to the government. Pretty much like in the jungle. And mental illnesses (as well as physical ones) are obviously much more likely to be diagnosed there for all kind of reasons. Lower diagnosis in poorer countries doesn't equate lower cases or lower suffering.

People like to say stuff like "poorer people are happier" but this cannot be further from the truth. The suffering of poorer people runs infinitely deeper, and is far more complex than those more privileged by life.



No matter how much of an advocate of mental illness awareness I'm, I'll never fall low to the point of thinking that these kids and the kids in Canada suffering from eating disorders experience the same level of distress.

To resume, I'd rather deal with social anxiety in a cozy bedroom in Canada than deal with Violence, drug, slavery, hunger, human trafficking, child marriage, etc.

If websites like best gore, hoodsite etc didn't exist, people would think that these things are not real or not that frequent.

 

[chicken neck]

I get your point but people who say that suicide rates are lower in poorer countries are completely out of touch with reality.

If someone die out of suicide here, people will do their best to keep it confidential ( taboo) and a lot of horrible things happen without report to the government. Pretty much like in the jungle. And mental illnesses (as well as physical ones) are obviously much more likely to be diagnosed there for all kind of reasons. Lower diagnosis in poorer countries doesn't equate lower cases or lower suffering.

People like to say stuff like "poorer people are happier" but this cannot be further from the truth. The suffering of poorer people runs infinitely deeper, and is far more complex than those more privileged by life.



No matter how much of an advocate of mental illness awareness I'm, I'll never fall low to the point of thinking that these kids and the kids in Canada suffering from eating disorders experience the same level of distress.

To resume, I'd rather deal with social anxiety in a cozy bedroom in Canada than deal with Violence, drug, slavery, hunger, human trafficking, child marriage, etc.

If websites like best gore, hoodsite etc didn't exist, people would think that these things are not real or not that frequent.

I definitely agree with you on a number of things in this post, but without actual evidence, it's hard to say what the actual suicide rate is in your country so telling me I'm "out of touch with reality" is a pretty piss poor way of phrasing this since I am simply going by the information that all of us have access to including yourself.

The things I agree with you on primarily are the "poorer people are happier" line of reasoning, which I don't subscribe to nor did I imply that I do, and the fact that people in Canada on the whole suffer less than people in Colombia, I think this much is not even up for debate. Nevertheless, suffering is suffering, being made to feel like inferior trash hurts no matter where you come from. It is very easy to live a successful life in Canada and other western countries if you work hard so having money and food eventually means fuck all in such a superficial society if you look like shit, are constantly ridiculed for it, and cannot gain non-material things in your life that are essential for human happiness while having to observe many other people doing better than you for being born a certain way. The knowledge that you're a second class citizen for something beyond your control has a very powerful effect on human psychology.

 

[Insomniac]

suffering is suffering

I definitely agree with that. But I still don't want people to compare poverty related suffering to mental health related suffering.

I'm aware of how devastating mental illness can be (especially when I see people like Eugenia cooney on YouTube...).



but mental illness still hasn't got to the point where it can be compared to "tangible" suffering ( like food, shelter, healthcare, safety etc,). Clearly if people keep acting like mental illness is a joke, it'll get to a truly sad point. But we're far from this.

I mean, you don't see tones of eugenia Cooneys walking around in your countries, but I see tones of starving people and sick people, and slave kids etc walking around me. That's my point.

I'm not from Colombia btw, I'm in a place far worse off than Colombia. In some getthos areas of my country, people eat dead bodies to survive. And I don't need official statistics to get access to actual suicide rates here, fortunately or unfortunately for me. it's also pretty common for people to lie in surveys.

 

[chicken neck]

but mental illness still hasn't got to the point where it can be compared to "tangible" suffering ( like food, shelter, healthcare, safety etc,). Clearly if people keep acting like mental illness is a joke, it'll get to a truly sad point. But we're far from this.

I'm not from Colombia btw, I'm in a place far worse off than Colombia. In some getthos areas of my country, people eat dead bodies to survive. And I don't need official statistics to get access to actual suicide rates here, fortunately or unfortunately for me. it's also pretty common for people to lie in surveys.

Well by some estimates suicide is the second biggest killer of young men in the US and I imagine the rates are similar in other western countries, so I would say for a sizable portion of society it has already gotten to the point where it is on par with tangible suffering. I wake up every day wanting to die immediately, all I think about 24/7 is how much I want to kill myself because I'm in a sort of purgatory. I have all the means to do it and I'm just building up the courage, which of course is not an easy thing to do. I work from home and haven't left my house for months and I pay people to bring me groceries and other things because I don't want to be looked at from having been traumatized so often by going out and being treated like garbage.

Also yes, I realized you weren't from Colombia after I posted, I had you mixed up with someone else, apologies for this. I can definitely understand why the rate would be much higher than the numbers show and totally agree that statistics do not always tell the entire story, especially in places where religion has a much more powerful hold on the culture and where statistics gathering is not being carried out with the level of rigor that it is done here.

Furthermore, I also agree that the suffering experienced in your country is incomparable to what most suicidal people in our societies face, but you also have to admit that we are living in a very, very unhealthy society as well that idolizes attractive yet very disturbed people, and emulating these role models has had a very deleterious effect on the social fabric. Having access to food and other things only goes so far in creating happiness, as evidenced by many psychological theories and studies. Many people here feel trapped and useless from a lifetime of bullying, feeling that there is absolutely no point in continuing because we cannot live a "full life" so to speak given the shitty genetic hand we've been dealt and constantly have thrown in our faces not only by people in our lives, but the media as well that seems to condone such behaviour while pretending it doesn't. It is a different beast altogether and I'm not sure if poor and wealthy countries should be compared in this regard. Whenever a poor country becomes wealthy, a similar type of mindset develops, so it's quite obvious there is something very very sick that occurs when humans have it "too good" and only focus on superficial and consumerist things.

 

[Versailles]

Te entiendo, mi equipo esta buscando recopilar informacion y herramientas de rehabilitacion en Latinoamerica y en España, pero la mayoria de recusros de este tipo es inexistente, es un problema que esto notando y me preocupa debido a que acabo de crear un SS de habla hispana hace 2 dias

 

[Akerblad]

I'm from Colombia, surely you already know what is happen here, I've looking for help for years in Internet and always I find the same, most part of the crisis resources and helplines are only for wealthy countries, united states, canada, great britain, spain, etc etc, I never find any shit for my country, not even in other latin american country, your life is Directly proporcional to your birthplace and your skin color

I didn't want to say, that the rich countries are privileged, maybe I don't use the correct words, i want to say that I only find help for wealthy countries, I know the problem with the healtcare in united states, sorry if my words can be misunderstand

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

Do you guys think the wealth in rich countries is shared equally or something? Because the typical case is that a few hundred people horde all the land and wealth whilst the rest of us have to beg them for pittance.

Poverty exists in the West believe me.

In the UK we have the NHS and at one point it truly was a thing of beauty but its services have been stripped back to a ridiculous degree by authoritarian governments.

In short it's poor people that get fucked over the most when it comes to mental health as there's so little help you can access at this point that the only people that can legitimately better themselves are the ones who can pay for private treatment.

I'd also like to say that there's no one true opinion of suicide and definitely not one that's overtly supportive irrespective of where you live. Not to mention people come from different cultural backgrounds that influence how they're seen as a suicidal person.

You're still seen as a crazy, attention seeking nuisance if you try to kill yourself here, especially if you make multiple attempts because if you were serious you'd just "do it".

Sympathy only comes after death and even then it's short lived because people have their own shit to worry about.

When you have money, it's easier irrespective of where you live.

 

[Akerblad]

Do you guys think the wealth in rich countries is shared equally or something? Because the typical case is that a few hundred people horde all the land and wealth whilst the rest of us have to beg them for pittance.

Poverty exists in the West believe me.

In the UK we have the NHS and at one point it truly was a thing of beauty but its services have been stripped back to a ridiculous degree by authoritarian governments.

In short it's poor people that get fucked over the most when it comes to mental health as there's so little help you can access at this point that the only people that can legitimately better themselves are the ones who can pay for private treatment.

I'd also like to say that there's no one true opinion of suicide and definitely not one that's overtly supportive irrespective of where you live. Not to mention people come from different cultural backgrounds that influence how they're seen as a suicidal person.

You're still seen as a crazy, attention seeking nuisance if you try to kill yourself here, especially if you make multiple attempts because if you were serious you'd just "do it".

Sympathy only comes after death and even then it's short lived because people have their own shit to worry about.

When you have money, it's easier irrespective of where you live.

Shit, I have writed this post angry and depressed, but is great to know that i'm not the only who suffers, now I can see much more clear