Guys, what about the cold?

[Neonfeel]

Hear me out,
I've read and watched many real life stories about people that almost died due to be in contact with very cold temperatures and none of them reported any pain.
The sequence seems to be -» you are cold and shivering for some time (if this sounds like too much there is always alcool to help numb the disconfort and accelerate the process)-» eventually you stop shivering and become mentally confused -» you will want to lay somewhere and go to sleep.

I'll post some (again) real life accounts for reference:

- this girl was walking home while it was snowing outside, probably still drunk, in just a tank top, and never made it home. Nowhere in the cctv cams do you see her acting like she is in pain or panicking or anything. She wasnt ringing people's door bells trying to be helped either.

Joe Rogan's interview with Yeonmi Park - I dont remember where it happened in the interview but I remember she was crossing somewhere very cold by foot, with a group of people (they were fleeing north korea) and she said she remembers feeling very drowsy like she could just go to sleep right then and there - her actually words were something like "I remember thinking that if I wanted to die this would not be a bad way to go"

https://www.bbc.com/bbcthree/article/239d10c0-8481-43c5-88f3-ebecadacfd7d - another person, this time a man (wearing just jeans, hoodie and sneakers) passing out while trying to get home, after a few drinks at the pub. He said he just remembers walking home and then waking up somewhere else. No pain, no panic.

Granted, this needs intelligent planning because it has a very long window for ressuscitation/ rescue (this last guy laid in the street ALL NIGHT and paramedics still managed to bring him back). But with good planning, it seems to me like a good way to go.

What do you guys think?

 

[Salkak]

I used to think of this as a method too. If you combine it with alcohol, it's pretty good way to go. To make it even more rapid. I thought of going in a river. Body will lose heat faster. You'll either drown or get hypothermia or both

 

[Neonfeel]

I used to think of this as a method too. If you combine it with alcohol, it's pretty good way to go. To make it even more rapid. I thought of going in a river. Body will lose heat faster. You'll either drown or get hypothermia or both

Yes, cold water would make it much faster but that takes a lot more courage, like I dont want to drown if you know what I mean.... I just want that peaceful "let me go to sleep right here"

 

[Salkak]

Yes, cold water would make it much faster but that takes a lot more courage, like I dont want to drown if you know what I mean.... I just want that peaceful "let me go to sleep right here"

I understand. It sounds so peaceful. Wish I lived in a colder part of the country
What temprature will be good enough?

 

[failed life]

I've thought of this too. It sounds like a peaceful and uncomplicated way to go. Here in the southern hemisphere we're in winter temperatures and it's between 0 and 6 degrees Celsius (42.8F) overnight in large bushland areas quite close to me. That would be plenty cold enough for hypothermia to set in if you didn't have enough clothing and were exhausted. The process can be accelerated by clothing and footwear being a bit wet. As well as being peaceful the big advantage would be that everyone would think you just got lost.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

There was a kind of elderly couple who CTB'd that way together last spring, it must have been just cold enough. I think they must have left a note or something making it clear that it was suicide, not just an accident falling asleep in the cold after gazing at the stars.

 

[Neonfeel]

I've thought of this too. It sounds like a peaceful and uncomplicated way to go. Here in the southern hemisphere we're in winter temperatures and it's between 0 and 6 degrees Celsius (42.8F) overnight in large bushland areas quite close to me. That would be plenty cold enough for hypothermia to set in if you didn't have enough clothing and were exhausted. The process can be accelerated by clothing and footwear being a bit wet. As well as being peaceful the big advantage would be that everyone would think you just got lost.

Exactly. I thought about that too. Like you were just watching the view, maybe listening to music and got carried away, lost track of how cold it actually was.

I understand. It sounds so peaceful. Wish I lived in a colder part of the country
What temprature will be good enough?

I think anything close to zero is cold enough.

There was a kind of elderly couple who CTB'd that way together last spring, it must have been just cold enough. I think they must have left a note or something making it clear that it was suicide, not just an accident falling asleep in the cold after gazing at the stars.

I find that beautiful to be honest. They never had to go through losing the other, never lost their independence etc. Just went peacefully on their terms.

 

[Forever Sleep]

There's a peculiar side effect of hypothermia where the body/ brain starts to believe it is actually too hot at the end. Victims have been found with clothing removed. Look at the tragic cases of Elisa Lam and Kenneka Jenkins. (Be warned- both are pretty disturbing but- both removed or rearranged clothing.)

That side to it puts me off for one. Not that I can be embarassed when I'm dead but, I'd rather not be naked in public- dead or alive.

I suppose it's like all methods really too. I wonder how long the period before dying will feel like. How bad the discomfort would be and whether I would be strong enough to keep putting myself through it.

It makes sense to numb the senses with alcohol or something before but, that would surely affect decision making even more. Not just the capacity to work out how to rescue ourselves but, maybe less resistance to SI and the impulsive need to save ourselves. I don't know.

Personally, I haven't considered it too much because I'd also rather not die in a public place.

A neighbour of mine used to sail. He fell in a lake in Winter once and said you do very quickly start to feel confused. That side to it does seem like a natural numbing affect- which appeals.

 

[soributton]

Seems very peaceful. I wish it got cold where I'm from. This all sounds much better than dying from the heat, hahah.

 

[Neonfeel]

There's a peculiar side effect of hypothermia where the body/ brain starts to believe it is actually too hot at the end. Victims have been found with clothing removed. Look at the tragic cases of Elisa Lam and Kenneka Jenkins. (Be warned- both are pretty disturbing but- both removed or rearranged clothing.)

That side to it puts me off for one. Not that I can be embarassed when I'm dead but, I'd rather not be naked in public- dead or alive.

I suppose it's like all methods really too. I wonder how long the period before dying will feel like. How bad the discomfort would be and whether I would be strong enough to keep putting myself through it.

It makes sense to numb the senses with alcohol or something before but, that would surely affect decision making even more. Not just the capacity to work out how to rescue ourselves but, maybe less resistance to SI and the impulsive need to save ourselves. I don't know.

Personally, I haven't considered it too much because I'd also rather not die in a public place.

A neighbour of mine used to sail. He fell in a lake in Winter once and said you do very quickly start to feel confused. That side to it does seem like a natural numbing affect- which appeals.

Yes, they call it paradoxical undressing. Obviously this will is very person dependant but I dont mind if I'm found naked tbh. I couldnt care less.

You raise a fair point regarding alchool, like will it make the will to live stronger? but I think that the alchool coupled with the loss of mental clarity from the cold might make it if not impossible than at least very hard to take proper care of yourself even if you are trying to live. I imagine it being something like "Ok im leaving, I changed my mind" but then you cant really think properly to get out of there. I think that is why it needs great planning, very remote place, not having a car to get out etc.

Seems very peaceful. I wish it got cold where I'm from. This all sounds much better than dying from the heat, hahah.

Yea lol, and I think only old people die from the heat no?

 

[Intoxicated]

I've read and watched many real life stories about people that almost died due to be in contact with very cold temperatures and none of them reported any pain.

I don't consider the lack of pain as a great achievement, since other forms of physical discomfort can be very annoying as well. The main two factors that describe the severity of discomfort are its intensity and duration, disregarding the nature. Non-painful forms of discomfort may cause more suffering than painful forms of discomfort. If I had a choice between 1) perceiving a moderate pain from puncturing a vein when doing an injection that would make me unconscious within one minute and 2) sitting in cold for one hour in a sober conscious state, I'd choose the first option without any doubts, since the latter is way more annoying.

if this sounds like too much there is always alcool to help numb the disconfort and accelerate the process

Maybe that could be a good option for alcoholics whose body is more or less adapted to drinking large amounts of alcohol, but for casual drinkers or those who don't consume alcohol at all, ingesting a lot of alcohol can produce very distressing symptoms. Some people have alcohol intolerance due to their genetics or specific health conditions like gastritis or ulcer. For such groups of people, alcohol would be a rather inappropriate aid and some alternative method of sedation would be needed instead.

 

[Neonfeel]

I don't consider the lack of pain as a great achievement, since other forms of physical discomfort can be very annoying as well. The main two factors that describe the severity of discomfort are its intensity and duration, disregarding the nature. Non-painful forms of discomfort may cause more suffering than painful forms of discomfort. If I had a choice between 1) perceiving a moderate pain from puncturing a vein when doing an injection that would make me unconscious within one minute and 2) sitting in cold for one hour in a sober conscious state, I'd choose the first option without any doubts, since the latter is way more annoying.

Maybe that could be a good option for alcoholics whose body is more or less adapted to drinking large amounts of alcohol, but for casual drinkers or those who don't consume alcohol at all, ingesting a lot of alcohol can produce very distressing symptoms. Some people have alcohol intolerance due to their genetics or specific health conditions like gastritis or ulcer. For such groups of people, alcohol would be a rather inappropriate aid and some alternative method of sedation would be needed instead.

Well yes, if I could magically make a dose of pure heroin or some other strong opiod appear in front of me + I could know exactly what to do to not fuck it up then I think I would probably rent a hotel room and go that route, but its not how it works. I dont want to go buy something like that because the only place I can think of is the guetto and I can see so much going wrong there. Then there is the purity (or absense of) whatever (god knows) I got my hands on. Then there is injecting it without fucking it up, having oxygen inside the needle or god knows what else, the unforseen possiblities are plentiful. And at the end there is also NOT surviving it, which given that I probably wouldnt know for sure the composition of whatever I got sold, would also be a gamble.

I dont know how much alchool you think I meant, but for me (a casual drinker) I reckong that 3 beers would give me a proper buzz to not worry so much about the cold. I reckon, I dont know. I'd have to try it out.

If only there was a button to push, right?

 

[Leap94]

Its one of those things where it could be great, but also could fail miserably. And if you survive hypothermia, you may have to have limbs amputated, etc.

 

[iamjustapebble]

I think it's too easy to be found and saved or have your instincts kick in with hypothermia. I would definitely fail, and probably just lose a leg or arm or something. There is also the side of availability. Since it's only available in colder months, it's easier to miss that window, and with the climate crisis, it's getting even harder. In my country (cold), it rarely even snows in winter now. I also don't trust that it doesn't hurt, I don't have experience with full body hypothermia, but my experience with the cold has been pretty painful on the face, ears, hands, and feet. Though maybe with fullbody hypothermia you'd just go numb all-over so you wouldn't feel it.

It does sound like a pretty cool way to go, though (lol)

 

[fluorescentpearl]

I used to think of this as a method too. If you combine it with alcohol, it's pretty good way to go. To make it even more rapid. I thought of going in a river. Body will lose heat faster. You'll either drown or get hypothermia or both

Extremely cold water is a gamble, it lowers body needs and can put you in an animation limbo of sorts where you can be warmed up and rescued, I have no idea how to word it right though, but I knew someone who fell in a frozen lake here and was rescued after hours underwater

 

[Passenger4224]

Underrated method. I've mentioned hypothermia before, and considered it as a method. It's great because it's free and the government can't prevent you. Only thing that stopped me is that I'm too impatient to wait until winter.

I like the method because it's accessible for me, but I know many people live in countries where the temperature doesn't get cool enough, so I can see why the method isn't more commonly talked about. There's also the possibility of being found.

There is more detailed info you can find from searching 'hypothermia' in the suicide discussion. Temperatures have to be really cold, but if it's too cold you can get frostbite and it will hurt. Also I hypothesize a place with heavy wind is ideal for this method, but don't quote me on that.

Extremely cold water is a gamble, it lowers body needs and can put you in an animation limbo of sorts where you can be warmed up and rescued, I have no idea how to word it right though, but I knew someone who fell in a frozen lake here and was rescued after hours underwater

Do you know more about the story? What temperature exactly? I'm curious.

Up north there are hikers that accidentally die of hypothermia all the time.

 

[never mind me]

I think the most efficient way to do it would be to combine it with lots of benzodiazepines and opoids. This way you will fall asleep for quite a while, so you don't suffer and then you will probably never wake up again. But as others said you really need to have a very remote spot because hypothermia slows down the metabolism, so the window for resuscitation is much bigger than in normal temperature.

 

[Neonfeel]

I think it's too easy to be found and saved or have your instincts kick in with hypothermia. I would definitely fail, and probably just lose a leg or arm or something. There is also the side of availability. Since it's only available in colder months, it's easier to miss that window, and with the climate crisis, it's getting even harder. In my country (cold), it rarely even snows in winter now. I also don't trust that it doesn't hurt, I don't have experience with full body hypothermia, but my experience with the cold has been pretty painful on the face, ears, hands, and feet. Though maybe with fullbody hypothermia you'd just go numb all-over so you wouldn't feel it.

It does sound like a pretty cool way to go, though (lol)

Underrated method. I've mentioned hypothermia before, and considered it as a method. It's great because it's free and the government can't prevent you. Only thing that stopped me is that I'm too impatient to wait until winter.

I like the method because it's accessible for me, but I know many people live in countries where the temperature doesn't get cool enough, so I can see why the method isn't more commonly talked about. There's also the possibility of being found.

There is more detailed info you can find from searching 'hypothermia' in the suicide discussion. Temperatures have to be really cold, but if it's too cold you can get frostbite and it will hurt. Also I hypothesize a place with heavy wind is ideal for this method, but don't quote me on that.

Do you know more about the story? What temperature exactly? I'm curious.

Up north there are hikers that accidentally die of hypothermia all the time.

We can do a suicide field trip :D we make sure nobody backs out until we are all dead haha (im kidding!)

I think the most efficient way to do it would be to combine it with lots of benzodiazepines and opoids. This way you will fall asleep for quite a while, so you don't suffer and then you will probably never wake up again. But as others said you really need to have a very remote spot because hypothermia slows down the metabolism, so the window for resuscitation is much bigger than in normal temperature.

Agreed. Window for revival is big.