Help Gun as a birthday present?

[sugarb]

My 19th birthday is coming up in a bit over a week and I just now thought of this

I don't have any history of suicidality (that anyone knows of), I'm not a minor, I'm seen as fairly responsible/stable and being able to CTB before I even start college would be amazing. Or, if nothing else, it would cut down how long it'd take and the whole absolute secrecy and needing a car part.

I talked about being interested in buying a gun with my dad briefly a few days ago (in a very not-suicidal way, obviously) and he wasn't as immediately against me doing it as I expected. I think this is sort of viable.

The only hairballs are

1. I've never really shown interest in guns before. Might be suspicious.
2. I don't have a driver's license, just a permit. Not sure that's valid ID. But I'd have parent signature
3. The guilt. This one's of the most concern to me. My dad/mom buying my CTB method for me or taking me along the way would probably A. weigh heavy on them B. might damage their familial relationships. But at the end of the day I really want out and it's going to do damage no matter how I do it.

Thoughts? Bad idea?

 

[Ash]

If they're genuinely loving and caring and good people, then don't do it that way. Not if you're a decent person.

 

[LifeQuitter]

Ask for money for your birthday then buy it yourself?

 

[sugarb]

Ask for money for your birthday then buy it yourself?

I don't have the means to get to a store and I'm unsure if a permit is a valid ID. I have money.

 

[sugarb]

If they're genuinely loving and caring and good people, then don't do it that way. Not if you're a decent person.

Is it more decent to walk to the train tracks and off myself that way?

How about overdosing on pills from the medicine cabinet? Hanging myself with an extension cord? My parents bought those, too.

Or waiting until I'm able to drive myself- potentially years- racking up college fees all the while?

I'm asking for thoughts and input on the viability of this plan, not judgement. Call me indecent if you want, but this is a lot kinder to everyone involved than a whole host of other options.

 

[Ash]

Is it more decent to walk to the train tracks and off myself that way?

How about overdosing on pills from the medicine cabinet? Hanging myself with an extension cord? My parents bought those, too.

Or waiting until I'm able to drive myself- potentially years- racking up college fees all the while?

I'm asking for thoughts and input on the viability of this plan, not judgement. Call me indecent if you want, but this is a lot kinder to everyone involved than a whole host of other options.

You're the one who mentioned guilt. If you're looking for someone to say "yes, do ask your dad to buy you a gun for your birthday so you can promptly use it to kill yourself" then I'm not that person. There are plenty of inexpensive methods if you're certain that 18 years is the most you can bear to live on this earth. And you say you've got your own money. So since you've thrown the question out to the internet, those are literally my thoughts. It is indeed a bad idea.

 

[sugarb]

You're the one who mentioned guilt. If you're looking for someone to say "yes, do ask your dad to buy you a gun for your birthday so you can promptly use it to kill yourself" then I'm not that person. There are plenty of inexpensive methods if you're certain that 18 years is the most you can bear to live on this earth. And you say you've got your own money. So since you've thrown the question out to the internet, those are literally my thoughts. It is indeed a bad idea.

I was mentioning that I was aware it wasn't the kindest move so people wouldn't bring it up, because as I've said the point of the post is to get input from others on viability.

I'm looking for someone to say "that could work, yes" or "you should not do that, in my experience it's suspicious and I was caught mid-attempt" or anything that isn't related to the morality of it that'd help me one way or another.

This is the internet, yes, but it's not an open-ended thread. Please don't give your take on my moral character, question my maturity or suggest another method. they're off topic and none of your business

That said I apologize if I was rude last night or if this comes off that way, I've been in a bad mood lately

 

[let.me.let.go87]

A drivers permit is a valid id because it is government issued. If that is your main concern pay the $35(ish) dollars and get yourself a state id to top it off. But in Utah a driver's permit is an acceptable form of identification for buying a gun according to the ATF website. I'm not sure what state you reside in but check your local atf website, pretty sure since it's a federal thing the rules are nationwide tho

Oh and I would say don't let your parents buy you your can method. Esp if they're loving parents. They'd never forgive themselves. Or each other. You're lucky to having loving parents. Many ppl on this site didn't grow up that way. Worse, buying your ctb method could result in your parent ctb'ing themselves out of guilt

 

[msesis]

yeah I wouldn't ask someone in my life to help me with my suicide. but logically you are probably overthinking it, it will probably work, since they won't be thinking about it that way.

 

[smaragdyne]

In terms of likelihood it sounds like you're golden. No history + control your behavior moderately well = done deal. Permits are valid IDs where I live in USA. Now for the hard part:

Should you do that to your parents? I'm a big individualist, but this way specifically? I have to say no, it's a bad course of action, your dad will feel like he pulled the trigger himself and it ruins the gun-buying process for everyone else (including those who wanna CTB!) Specifically the immediate, "2 + 2 = 4" nature of your method, is just too blatant to be rationalized away as anything but "I put the gun in my kid's hand, I may as well have pulled the trigger". There are different levels of guilt and I have to imagine this one is way up there.

It's something cultural or instinctive about the fact that guns are primarily a weapon. If you used any other "deadly" implement, but something that isn't usually used to kill, they wouldn't feel quite the same.

I don't fault you for wanting to die. But I would strongly suggest you consider the different ways that grief can manifest itself. Your parents would get over losing you, eventually. They might get over finding you with a bullet in your head, if they're lucky. But I doubt they could live with themselves for long if they bought you a gun as a birthday present and you almost immediately CTB with it. (Like others said, maybe just ask for some money? You can get a used subcompact for like $300)

TL;DR - It just seems a little... extra. Just my honest opinion. I hope I don't sound too judgmental. If you really do need to do it like that, at least make it look like a "gun cleaning accident" or something lol.

 

[Yaka]

I don't have the means to get to a store and I'm unsure if a permit is a valid ID. I have money.

If you have acsess to the dark web you might be able to get it that way
I would think most any person in their right mind would feel very guilty for giving you the means out- esp a parent if they are a good parent
If they were crappy then totally go for it cause they probably deserve that guilt then (thats what I would love to do to my parents if I had the chance)

 

[sugarb]

A drivers permit is a valid id because it is government issued. If that is your main concern pay the $35(ish) dollars and get yourself a state id to top it off. But in Utah a driver's permit is an acceptable form of identification for buying a gun according to the ATF website. I'm not sure what state you reside in but check your local atf website, pretty sure since it's a federal thing the rules are nationwide tho

Oh and I would say don't let your parents buy you your can method. Esp if they're loving parents. They'd never forgive themselves. Or each other. You're lucky to having loving parents. Many ppl on this site didn't grow up that way. Worse, buying your ctb method could result in your parent ctb'ing themselves out of guilt

I'll check the ATF site, thank you.

I've decided against trying to get assistance via a gift, I was particularly desperate at the time I had the idea.

I appreciate them a lot. I just wish they'd had a different son

In terms of likelihood it sounds like you're golden. No history + control your behavior moderately well = done deal. Permits are valid IDs where I live in USA. Now for the hard part:

Should you do that to your parents? I'm a big individualist, but this way specifically? I have to say no, it's a bad course of action, your dad will feel like he pulled the trigger himself and it ruins the gun-buying process for everyone else (including those who wanna CTB!) Specifically the immediate, "2 + 2 = 4" nature of your method, is just too blatant to be rationalized away as anything but "I put the gun in my kid's hand, I may as well have pulled the trigger". There are different levels of guilt and I have to imagine this one is way up there.

It's something cultural or instinctive about the fact that guns are primarily a weapon. If you used any other "deadly" implement, but something that isn't usually used to kill, they wouldn't feel quite the same.

I don't fault you for wanting to die. But I would strongly suggest you consider the different ways that grief can manifest itself. Your parents would get over losing you, eventually. They might get over finding you with a bullet in your head, if they're lucky. But I doubt they could live with themselves for long if they bought you a gun as a birthday present and you almost immediately CTB with it. (Like others said, maybe just ask for some money? You can get a used subcompact for like $300)

TL;DR - It just seems a little... extra. Just my honest opinion. I hope I don't sound too judgmental. If you really do need to do it like that, at least make it look like a "gun cleaning accident" or something lol.

I did a bit of research and as it turns out I may not need any ID at all, my state's extremely lax. Never thought I'd say it but thank god for the NRA lol

Thank you for the detailed response and general politeness. I decided against getting anyone's assistance a few hours ago. not worth it, especially now that I know CTB's a lot closer than I imagined. I don't want to do that to my parents. also I suspect my brother might end up here eventually and if that happens i don't want to complicate it for him