Everything comes back to nature, every invention we have ever made goes against nature which is why we will never be in an utopia again.

[Weird.loser]

Right from the beginning before we started farming we were already in an utopia we had natural food perfect sleep perfect air quality lots of sun.
We were only in the present moment untill the day we died and had one big tribe. We were never made for the current modern way of living and we now think of ourselves as something outside of nature we think of ourselves as different than other animals when this is not the case. I envy the untouched tribes of today those are the people that are trully in heaven on earth.

 

[Darkover]

i don't consider nature a utopia or having to hurt to survive heaven

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't consider that as a utopia at all. There is no utopia about how nature is designed. I personally believe that utopia is impossible to achieve due to how suffering and hardship will always be required in life

 

[maniac116]

I agree! We have been using & burning the planets resources for energy for almost our entire existence. That simply isn't sustainable & I think we are screwed at this point. We are inundated with deadly chemicals. I think we are "dead people walking" & think my children may actually witness the end of our existence at our own hands. We continue to produce plastics which are "forever chemicals". We created hormone disrupting chemicals, cancer causing substances & drugs that kill us.
Its almost funny that mankind has been slowly committing the suicide that is so looked down upon by the very societies that have been allowing these things that will kill us all eventually.
Humans are clever. We build & create stuff. But we aren't smart because the stuff we create kills us.
Our greed in this false way of life has left many families with a huge medical bill (hundreds of thousands) for loved ones who have DIED!!!
We, by living in a false reality that we created have become vultures, picking at each other to get every last dollar we can from each other. Its very sad. Every societal problem we have was created by us.
WE are the problem

 

[EvisceratedJester]

We were never in a utopia. "Utopia" doesn't exist. True perfection doesn't even exist and what people consider to be the most perfect ideal society is incredibly subjective. Many pre-history hunter-gatherer tribes had their issues to deal with, such as high infant and child mortality rates and a lack of resources and knowledge needed to deal with things, such as disease or health issues. Many of those untouched tribes have their own shit to deal with. They aren't living in some "heaven on earth".

 

[Weird.loser]

I agree! We have been using burning the planets resources for energy for almost our entire existence. That simply isn't sustainable & I think we are screwed at this point. We are inundated with deadly chemicals. I think we are "dead people walking" & think my children may actually witness the end of our existence at our own hands. We continue to produce plastics which are "forever chemicals". We created hormone disrupting chemicals, cancer causing substances & drugs that kill us.
Its almost funny that mankind has been slowly committing the suicide that is so looked down upon by the very societies that have been allowing these things that will kill us all eventually.
Humans are clever. We build & create stuff. But we aren't smart because the stuff we create kills us

Yep were screwed theres no going back now

 

[maniac116]

Yep were screwed theres no going back now

Nope no going back. We don't know the meaning of "too late", but we are going to learn the meaning of " too bad"..

We were never in a utopia. "Utopia" doesn't exist. True perfection doesn't even exist and what people consider to be the most perfect ideal society is incredibly subjective. Many pre-history hunter-gatherer tribes had their issues to deal with, such as high infant and child mortality rates and a lack of resources and knowledge needed to deal with things, such as disease or health issues. Many of those untouched tribes have their own shit to deal with. They aren't living in some "heaven on earth".

But we had higher mortality because people didn't play God back then. People died when they were very ill. Now we get Rx drugs to keep us going. We continue being ill but are able to get by, but continue being sick, being profiteered by medical & drug industry.
The medical industry plays God on a daily basis.
They profit from the chronic illnesses that are remnants of illness that may have killed us to begin with. Every time a baby is "saved" from death they are play in God.
I'm living with no throat because of cancer. I have fibromyalgia, a chronic pain disorder. All of this is most likely caused by environmental factors we created. I would have rather died from the cancer!
I don't fear death. I fear suffering! And now I
am suffering, and am giving meds to keep me going & continuing to suffer. I'm going to the Dr today because my neck pain caused by cancer surgery (called radical neck dissection ) is so unbearable I have to get a prescription for addictive meds to " help" get rid of pain.
We as humans don't seem to understand that half measures truly avail us nothing!!

 

[SVEN]

A world without anaesthetics ? No thanks. Living with rotting teeth for year on year alone would be enough to cope with.

 

[MercenariesofMidgar]

Living one with nature takes incredible hardship... I think humans are just too selfish for something like a Utopia. As a species we are smart enough to get to this point but too stupid to account for the long-term future. Too many people aren't willing to change, too many people will erupt the Earth for mild comfort. Too many problems nested too deep into society for anyone to change them.

 

[inconstantprayer]

Right from the beginning before we started farming we were already in an utopia we had natural food perfect sleep perfect air quality lots of sun.
We were only in the present moment untill the day we died and had one big tribe. We were never made for the current modern way of living and we now think of ourselves as something outside of nature we think of ourselves as different than other animals when this is not the case. I envy the untouched tribes of today those are the people that are trully in heaven on earth.

I agree with you about how everything comes from "nature" and goes back to "nature" again. we ARE nature, too, and in killing nature we are killing ourselves, so we are learning this, and hopefully enough of us are waking up and things can be turned around, because i dont believe its too late. We are not dead yet, and "nature" sure as heck is not all wiped out yet either.

We are the same as animals, and yet at the same time we are totally different and unique in the way that we are sentient beings of individualistic souls, whereas most animals, if not all animals, are of a group-mind/group-soul type existence. we humans unfortunately have this whole individuality and character and all the responsibility and hard work that goes with it!

I agree that it was a "utopia" at one time. before farming. it most definitely was something like a near perfect eden where we lived much much more like the animals, very very simply, totally in tune with the earth and with the cycles of the earth at that time, totally not for want of anything, we ate our fill of everything and were perfectly well nourished and reaped the rewards of great works done not by our own hands, but by the very hands of "nature" itself, much like the animals who still live in tune with the remaining harmony that nature does exist in. There is a harmony and almost artistic symphony in the ecology of "nature", even that which still survives today, really we should spend more time paying attention to it. Thanks for bringing this up "Weird.Loser" and i have a high reverence for "nature" also. and miss the "old days" : ). but realize they are gone forever, but there are new days coming, and we aren't as evil or as damned or dooomed or totally screwed as we might like to think.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Aren't we and all our inventions part of nature? We are a snapshot in an evolution process, if we fail it is part of this natural process.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree that our modern lifestyles- while highly convenient in a lot of ways probably aren't good in many others. Still, what makes you so convinced people were or are blissfully happy living off the land? I think maybe that's a romanticised view. You could be right of course but, we'll probably never know.

I don't think I'd fancy having a medical emergency in the wild though. I'm not sure how potent natural remedies are against things like appendicitis. I think paople living off grid can die (painfully) of things as simple as a gum infection.