Euthanasia should be given to people with bad mental health

[c.c]

Euthanasia should be given to people with incurable mental illness and those with no chances of getting better and also people with no will to live

 

[divinemistress87]

Hell yes! Sadly most people dont believe we deserve that

 

[bankai]

I think something will come up in the future. I've been hearing about something called Pegasos being an option.Going to have to look into it more of course. But there's a possibility that these things turn out to be viable in the future.

 

[Holu]

Voluntary euthanasia and PAS(physician assisted suicide) are something that can and likely will become more of a thing for people who have mental illnesses of all severities as our scientific understanding improves and public acceptance grows.

That said, the reason it's not currently very accepted has to do entirely with the belief that someone with a mental illness isn't entirely autonomous and therefore can't fully consent to such euthanasia. Combined with the general pro-life beliefs of society, it makes pushing for these services, (especially on a governmental level) difficult. If the government in a country approves PAS for the mentally ill, then eugenics comes into question. If the majority of people entering into these programs are the mentally ill, gender minorities, or homeless people, then optically that is just terrible, even if every person who participated did fully consent.

There is a reason criteria tends to be strict for these programs, since typically there has to be no definable hope of improvement as well as fully consensual(meaning the person is entirely autonomous, not coerced, and fully developed). This is still true even with the more lenient exceptions like Pegasos, although they definitely are more accommodating.

Still, here's to hoping for the future. I think that regardless of one's mental state, assuming they are fully developed + generally autonomous they should have the right to die by PAS. We don't consent to birth, so it's pretty bs that consensual death is also heavily frowned upon.

 

[badatparties]

I think something will come up in the future. I've been hearing about something called Pegasos being an option.Going to have to look into it more of course. But there's a possibility that these things turn out to be viable in the future.

Pegasos might help with mental illness if your 50+ with a lot of documentation. If you're young forget about it.

Swiss law says the person must have decision making capacity and so Pegasos is very strict on any mental health diagnosis.

I've read that young people have faked other medical issues before though and gotten through. Either way it's best not to say anything about mental illness.

 

[divinemistress87]

Voluntary euthanasia and PAS(physician assisted suicide) are something that can and likely will become more of a thing for people who have mental illnesses of all severities as our scientific understanding improves and public acceptance grows.

That said, the reason it's not currently very accepted has to do entirely with the belief that someone with a mental illness isn't entirely autonomous and therefore can't fully consent to such euthanasia. Combined with the general pro-life beliefs of society, it makes pushing for these services, (especially on a governmental level) difficult. If the government in a country approves PAS for the mentally ill, then eugenics comes into question. If the majority of people entering into these programs are the mentally ill, gender minorities, or homeless people, then optically that is just terrible, even if every person who participated did fully consent.

There is a reason criteria tends to be strict for these programs, since typically there has to be no definable hope of improvement as well as fully consensual(meaning the person is entirely autonomous, not coerced, and fully developed). This is still true even with the more lenient exceptions like Pegasos, although they definitely are more accommodating.

Still, here's to hoping for the future. I think that regardless of one's mental state, assuming they are fully developed + generally autonomous they should have the right to die by PAS. We don't consent to birth, so it's pretty bs that consensual death is also heavily frowned upon.

And its assumed all mental illness can be treated with the correct treatment

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe it should always be available as I find it extreme horrific cruelty enslaving humans in this existence and forcing them to suffer until all is gone and forgotten in non-existence anyway and no matter what I'd just prefer to not exist than be conscious in this existence I always saw as the most terrible mistake and there's just so much pain and so much suffering in existing. I'd just always wish for non-existence, for me being able to cease existing peacefully would be the only relief, I find it so terrifying how a human can suffer for so long in this torturous existence just to die in agony from old age, to me existence really is the problem and I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was imposed, more than anything I just wish I never had to suffer and I just never should had suffered at all, for me non-existence really is all that's positive.

 

[Pale_Rider]

well thats called eugenics. So im gonna say no. Maybe one day, but not soon.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Euthanasia should be granted to everyone upon request and for all personal reasons. There are not just (mental-)illnesses that make people suicidal. SI is the best protection.

 

[Pale_Rider]

I want to agree, I also think people need to pursue other options first. Yes at some point. yes.

 

[Britney Spears]

Of course, and we should be the first. But since Marilyn Monroe's death, they've screwed us by taking away the most peaceful things. They started with barbiturates

 

[badatparties]

well thats called eugenics. So im gonna say no. Maybe one day, but not soon.

I'm pretty sure OP means voluntary euthanasia. Not going around and rounding up mentally ill people.

 

[Pale_Rider]

I'm pretty sure OP means voluntary euthanasia. Not going around and rounding up mentally ill people.

yeah your right, but that would be the argument against legalizing it. I think.

 

[imOK]

The argument shouldn't be how (un)well somebody is mentally.

I think a better line of arguing would be to focus on the quality of life - which is often low(er) for people with mental illness. Nobody should have to live not being able to do the most basic things without help or with the constant danger of becoming marginalized or abused by others. It's inhumane. In fact, we don't do it to our animals, even!

This "disease x and y should qualify but disease z shouldn't" has the vibe of people needing to be allowed by an authority to end their own life. That's not how it should be. It's kinda like calling in sick from life, less "I make the decision to end my life" more "society allows me to die", it should not be like that.

Clearily filter people who are not in the frame of mind to make such a decision e.g. "I need to die now so I can live as the true king of spain forever!" (this person should not qualify, as he can clearly not understand what his euthanasia means) but otherwise, it should be up to you. Health (mental or otherwise) should not be a factor to begin with.

This will never happen.

 

[Yavannah]

its cruel to deny a peaceful death to mentally ill individuals!
criminals can get assisted dying why not the people that have done nothing wrong and just want to end their suffering?
a pedofile that sexually assaulted multiple children and babies and attempted to kill them got assisted dying in Switzerland a few weeks ago.
per swiss law even criminals that have not finished their sentence yet have the right for assisted dying.
where is the fairness in this?

 

[apict]

Euthanasia should be given to people with incurable mental illness and those with no chances of getting better and also people with no will to live

Ideally, euthanasia should be OFFERED to severely handicapped folks. One problem in mandating it would be where do you draw the line. Plenty of handicapped advocates vigorously support the right to live even for severely handicapped folks.

 

[TheSwede]

Most healthy & "normal" people don't really get or understand all the perspectives needed for why the option of euthanasia should he a human right..

 

[Griever]

I don't even have the money for euthanasia, so I'll have to do it myself with SN

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I don't even have the money for euthanasia, so I'll have to do it myself with SN

The money aspect is definitely important. Euthanasia must not be a privilege for people who have enough money.

 

[Griever]

The money aspect is definitely important. Euthanasia must not be a privilege for people who have enough money.

I just want to die as soon as possible and without this forum I would never have found SN

 

[Carrot]

I think something will come up in the future. I've been hearing about something called Pegasos being an option.Going to have to look into it more of course. But there's a possibility that these things turn out to be viable in the future.

Unless we end up in some dyspotia where mentally or suicidal people will end up being enslaved. That will teach them! (I don't advocatr for this obviosuly, but ironically it would push some people into pretending to have an okay life). Reminds me of countries/systems where suicide is punished in some ways, and also your family is punished too. This creates a toxic situation where the best thing people can do is watch out that nobody in their family commits suicide in fear of their own safety. It's a messed up world. I'm not sure if this is true, but also prisons/gladiators (ages ago), if somebody tries to escape, other prisoners get punished. So other prisons will rat you out, making it impossible/unbeneficial to even try.

 

[isthisit?]

If you mean worse mental conditions as autism, bipolar etc, then I chose no.

In my life, Ive known a lot of autistic people and some bipolar people and I can confidentley say that everyone has a low point where they want to ctb or not exist. These low points though are almost never rational and last a couple of days max so they shouldnt be available for those people to do it whenever they please.
If it was, then all of my bipolar/autistic friends would be dead, even my girlfriend.

 

[imOK]

Reminds me of countries/systems where suicide is punished in some ways, and also your family is punished too

That used to be the norm until relatively recently. In western countries, suicide and attempted suicide used to be illegal (basically was treated as "self-murder") up to the 19th century and had a lot of stigma attached to it (not allowed to be buried in normal ways, no proper funeral held) and yes, things like seizing your property so your family couldn't inherit or even end up penniless on the street, as tactic to discourage it. The current norm that suicide is not punishable is a more modern trend that started in the 19th century really. It's mostly probably because the western countries shifted away from basing society on the teachings of christian religions, where suicide used to be pretty much one of the biggest sins you could commit. That said, in some countries your family (as beneficiary) still can be sued by e.g. the train company if you jump in front of a train for the costs of the damages caused.

 

[ganardin]

Agreed. I think it's fair for those of us who suffer from poor mental health, because sometimes nothing has a real solution, and the only way to escape suffering is to find an effective solution to end this life.

 

[LetMeOut67]

Life is a fate worse than death for those suffering severe and long term mental health issues.
Those in power know this.
They also know that many many people might apply just to get out of this pointless boring rat race.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Sorry, but I am afraid many people see it the other way round. Only a person who knows what he is doing, who is for sure in a good mental condition can make such a momentous decision.

 

[JesiBel]

To anyone who wants to leave this world, whatever their "problem" may be.

When I meditate about the pro-life and anti-choice people, I think I completely agree with the young man who blew himself up with an explosive and harmed others. If euthanasia were accessible, these things would not happen. Desperation, anger, and resentment can easily escalate and are difficult to control when you reach the limit. Maybe they can also taste a little of "your suffering".

I'm still overthinking about the news I read today.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I personally believe that any adult of sound mind should have access. (I guess that's a contradition in terms but, I think a person can be capable of reason- even with a mental illness.)

I'm not of the 'nembutal for all' club. I definitely think there need to be safeguards, waiting periods, thorough assessment of the person and access to relevant support. I don't think we should be expected to jump through multiple hoops of fire to gain access though.

We give patients the right to deny treatment for other things. Personally, I have very little experience with either physical or mental healthcare. Gallstone issues and, a diagnosis of mild to moderate depression years ago. What would I need to take in terms of drugs or therapies to 'prove' to them I'd done enough? For how many years? Why should I be expected to be a guinea pig effectively? I very much doubt their shit will work and, I don't want the side effects.

I don't see why a doctor should get to decide on whether my life is shit enough to qualify me for a dignified and peaceful exit.

Of course, I doubt it will ever happen. Families won't want their loved ones making that choice. Even if they are suffering. Our governments most likely profit from the amount of medication people are on to just about function. Plus, for those high functioning enough to work, they won't want to lose that tax money.

I think mental illness may eventually be more recognised but then, it needs a giant shift so that both doctors and the neuro-healthy public need to accept that some people can't be cured and that their mental illness is debilitating.

 

[Thomas599]

I think something will come up in the future. I've been hearing about something called Pegasos being an option.Going to have to look into it more of course. But there's a possibility that these things turn out to be viable in the future.

Sure, if you've got $10,000 just sitting around.