Ethics of procreation in utopia

[iwanttodie019]

1)They are still going to die though,unfortunately
2)Besides there is no need to.Whom are you gifting this heaven?No one exists prior to being born

 

[ZwartHartje]

I'd contest that "No one exists prior to being born" is a statement solely based on personal belief, as there is no evidence either way, and plenty of people, including myself, rather believe that consciousness is fundamental and that the brain acts as a receiver and filter of consciousness.

A Utopia can't exist in this world, certainly not now after humans have so thoroughly f***ed up the biosphere, caused thousands of other species to go extinct, and keep harming, exploiting and torturing most of those who remain.
Maybe it was never meant to ever be a Utopia; this is a place of trial and maybe that's the way it was meant. For what purpose exactly, who can tell... but although I hate the way the world is, enslaved by *one* species, and although I do want to leave it all behind, I still believe there has to be a meaning and that my loved ones are awaiting in the Great Beyond once I shed the prison of my human shell.

 

[iwanttodie019]

I'd contest that "No one exists prior to being born" is a statement solely based on personal belief, as there is no evidence either way, and plenty of people, including myself, rather believe that consciousness is fundamental and that the brain acts as a receiver and filter of consciousness.

A Utopia can't exist in this world, certainly not now after humans have so thoroughly f***ed up the biosphere, caused thousands of other species to go extinct, and keep harming, exploiting and torturing most of those who remain.
Maybe it was never meant to ever be a Utopia; this is a place of trial and maybe that's the way it was meant. For what purpose exactly, who can tell... but although I hate the way the world is, enslaved by *one* species, and although I do want to leave it all behind, I still believe there has to be a meaning and that my loved ones are awaiting in the Great Beyond once I shed the prison of my human shell.

They are still going to die though unfortunately.
isn't that a convincing enough argument?

EVERY CRADLE IS A GRAVE

 

[ZwartHartje]

Yes, but death is not the end but more like a awakening from a dream or nightmare; or as someone has said, this life is the "caterpillar" stage and after death we take flight as the "butterfly".

 

[iwanttodie019]

Yes, but death is not the end but more like a awakening from a dream or nightmare; or as someone has said, this life is the "caterpillar" stage and after death we take flight as the "butterfly".

No one knows what happens after death but death is seen as a bad thing.So if heaven contains death,then that by definition is not heaven

 

[ZwartHartje]

No one knows what happens after death but death is seen as a bad thing.So if heaven contains death,then that by definition is not heaven

Depends on the definition of "heaven", let's assume *not* the kingdom of the tyrant god but a good place... and death is the only way that leads to the good place... is death then a bad thing?

 

[iwanttodie019]

Depends on the definition of "heaven", let's assume *not* the kingdom of the tyrant god but a good place... and death is the only way that leads to the good place... is death then a bad thing?

So death in heaven will again lead to heaven?

 

[ZwartHartje]

So death in heaven will again lead to heaven?

No, death will be behind you once you're there. If you believe in or want to call it heaven. I call it the Great Beyond.