Do not resuscitate (DNR) and suicide

[Genetics]

I am curious how many of you have set up a DNR for yourself in preperation for ctb?

I have one and it rather comforts me to know if I'm found alive they can't put me on a ventilator or do any life saving activities.

 

[TJuk]

Tried getting one at my gp practice (UK) but they said I'm too young

 

[Genetics]

Tried getting one at my gp practice (UK) but they said I'm too young

That's what the Veteran's Administration doctor told me, too. I was 57!! I am a veteran! I have some illnesses that are chronic.

No, she didn't want to do it because ending life "prematurely" is against HER religion and I suffered.

I went to a private practice doctor and she signed it. I don't know about the UK laws on DNRs but if they are legal they should be legal for everyone of 18.

Tell your doctor that age doesn't matter. A DNR is in case of an emergency, unforeseen event. Say you're in a horrible car accident and your a vegetable you have to be forced to continue to live your entire natural life on a ventilator just because some asshole doctor thought that you were "too young". It's a bit late to do a DNR when you're already in a coma or on a ventilator.

I wish you luck.

 

[TJuk]

Well strangely me and my parents have discussed this, it wasn't regarding CTB but was due to a program that was on TV at the time and I said to my parents if anything were to happen to me and I couldn't decide what I wanted I would not want to be kept alive to be a vegetable or unable to do anything for myself as its no life and is unfair for the family. Strangely enough they said the same thing.

So I think that's kind of in place verbally with parents despite me being 27, it was awhile ago it was discussed probably 3 years.
My twin died 3 days after birth and my parents didn't have to decide in end but they already decided then that they weren't going to make her suffer living if she wasn't going to live a normal ish life... She'd of been severally disabled and unable to do anything for herself if she had survived my parents told me

 

[Genetics]

Well strangely me and my parents have discussed this, it wasn't regarding CTB but was due to a program that was on TV at the time and I said to my parents if anything were to happen to me and I couldn't decide what I wanted I would not want to be kept alive to be a vegetable or unable to do anything for myself as its no life and is unfair for the family. Strangely enough they said the same thing.

So I think that's kind of in place verbally with parents despite me being 27, it was awhile ago it was discussed probably 3 years.
My twin died 3 days after birth and my parents didn't have to decide in end but they already decided then that they weren't going to make her suffer living if she wasn't going to live a normal ish life... She'd of been severally disabled and unable to do anything for herself if she had survived my parents told me

Verbal is fine but the hospital and paramedics will ONLY adhere to a legally signed DNR. My mom had COPD very badly for years. She had a DNR. She died in her bed in her room in our home and I ran in there when I heard a noise. I called the paramedics and the 911 operator told me to start CPR. I informed her that I wouldn't do that as she had a DNR. She said that I had to have that for the paramedics when they arrived or THEY would do life saving measures.

You and your parents words are nice so they now when you write your DNR but it has no legal standing with any health professionals and you would end up in the end on a ventilator or feeding tube or whatever.

 

[calendulo]

Case 11:
This case involved a 56-year-old female who had a history ofParkinson's disease, which resulted in significant pain, leading to financial issues. She had been prescribed medicinal marijuana. After consuming marijuana, she drank the contents of a bottle labeled Pisabental in front of witnesses, fell unconscious, and died approximately seven hours later. At the scene, a bottle of Pisabental (pentobarbital, 6.3 g/100 mL), metoclopramide and a do not resuscitate (DNR) order were located. Information at the scene indicated that the Pisabental was imported from Mexico.

I exactly can not understand the concept of DNR.
The case above is real, then I asked:
If you have a DNR and kill yourself in front of someone...friends, family or whatever.
Could they to avoid that you do it?. or at least to do a try?. And if you are in the Hospital?

 

[TJuk]

I live alone, I plan on sn method, so I will not be found in enough time to keep me alive, I also know that my parents don't have a key to my house so they will not be first ones to find me and it shouldn't be my landlord as he never comes to the house and the boiler service man comes in July so it's no chance of him either . Its why I've changed methods as I survived jumping from a bridge and left with quite painful injuries despite that being 2013.

 

[Genetics]

Case 11:
This case involved a 56-year-old female who had a history ofParkinson's disease, which resulted in significant pain, leading to financial issues. She had been prescribed medicinal marijuana. After consuming marijuana, she drank the contents of a bottle labeled Pisabental in front of witnesses, fell unconscious, and died approximately seven hours later. At the scene, a bottle of Pisabental (pentobarbital, 6.3 g/100 mL), metoclopramide and a do not resuscitate (DNR) order were located. Information at the scene indicated that the Pisabental was imported from Mexico.

I exactly can not understand the concept of DNR.
The case above is real, then I asked:
If you have a DNR and kill yourself in front of someone...friends, family or whatever.
Could they to avoid that you do it?. or at least to do a try?. And if you are in the Hospital?

The DNR isn't for people it's for medical professionals to not try to save your life in any way at all, no CPR, no difibrulator, nothing.

If you don't have it and go to the hospital and are alive, though dying, without a DNR the medical professionals are required by law to make every effort to save your life. Even if that means you become a vegetable until you die of old age.

That's the purpose for a DNR.

If I had refused to give my mom CPR when she died and she didn't have a DNR on file then I could have, conceivably be prosecuted for not comply with the instructions of the emergency medical personnel.

That's why you have a DNR. You put it up on your refrigerator so that anyone can locate it & paramedics and fire personnel are trained to look there when they arrive to the scene.

The DNR is in effect everywhere you go, all the time, home, store, school, hospital, doesn't matter. My state gives me a wallet card to carry so that I don't have to lug around the actual full sized DNR. It's maybe 3 pages long.

 

[calendulo]

The DNR isn't for people it's for medical professionals to not try to save your life in any way at all, no CPR, no difibrulator, nothing.

If you don't have it and go to the hospital and are alive, though dying, without a DNR the medical professionals are required by law to make every effort to save your life. Even if that means you become a vegetable until you die of old age.

That's the purpose for a DNR.

If I had refused to give my mom CPR when she died and she didn't have a DNR on file then I could have, conceivably be prosecuted for not comply with the instructions of the emergency medical personnel.

That's why you have a DNR. You put it up on your refrigerator so that anyone can locate it & paramedics and fire personnel are trained to look there when they arrive to the scene.

The DNR is in effect everywhere you go, all the time, home, store, school, hospital, doesn't matter. My state gives me a wallet card to carry so that I don't have to lug around the actual full sized DNR. It's maybe 3 pages long.

Ok, ok, understood.....I was wrong......, I thought that was personal, and that is not....I guess will be to avoid the therapeutic obstinacy or cruelty......
Thanks for the explanation, so kind of you. So sorry about your Mother.

 

[Quarky00]

DNR is complicated ... It's intended mostly for the elderly or terminally ill so it usually requires (1) lawyer, (2) doctor , and sometimes (3) psychiatrist . I guess you're from the US and some states there simplified that process immensly (other countries might as well , but it's usually not that simple) . Generally doctors can refuse to sign it if it contradicts their personal beliefs ... So that's quite normal (and another hurdle for us) .

* Correction : It appears that in England & Wales just need a witness (not family)..

Living will (advance decision)

A living will is a form which lets you refuse any medical treatments that you do not want to be given in the future.

compassionindying.org.uk

https://www.mysurgerywebsite.co.uk/website/j83023/files/dnr_template.pdf

* More work may be required in the US as well .. Not sure DNR is fully respected or comperhensive .. See:

Advance care directives: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

When you are very ill or injured, you may not be able to make health care choices for yourself. If you are unable to speak for yourself, your health care providers may be unclear as to what type of care

medlineplus.gov

 

[Genetics]

Ok, ok, understood.....I was wrong......, I thought that was personal, and that is not....I guess will be to avoid the therapeutic obstinacy or cruelty......
Thanks for the explanation, so kind of you. So sorry about your Mother.

thank you, happy she's not suffering anymore.

 

[AgentAlaniKelso]

Unless you have a signed and on file DNR- and IF someone bothers to check it at your local hospital- and IF you are found within the timeframe of survival...

As an ICU/ER nurse in the US- if you came in with a suspected self-inflicted injury even with a DNR that DNR order would be more than likely overridden. Just the way it is, at least in the states I've worked in. Make it remote in distance or time, or extreme in damage. Your not dead unless you're: A- beyond the window of resuscitation (in time or degree of injury) or B- until the ED doc calls it and ends BLS/ACLS. I don't know if you've seen the things we do to keep someone alive but it's often far worse than the manner of initial injury...

 

[AnnonyBox]

If you get a DNR, make a copy of it and carry it with you wherever you go. That said, I've heard of medical practitioners claiming to 'invalidate' a DNR and ignoring it. What makes them think they're allowed to decide for you whether you want to live or die is beyond me.

 

[Quarky00]

As an ICU/ER nurse in the US- if you came in with a suspected self-inflicted injury even with a DNR that DNR order would be more than likely overridden

Exactly , it doesn't really hold .. You need advanced directive / living will .. And even that may not be respected by EMS :/ (Though it will be by hospital).

In the United States the documentation is especially complicated in that each state accepts different forms, and advance directives and living wills may not be accepted by EMS as legally valid forms. If a patient has a living will that specifies the patient requests DNR but does not have a properly filled out state-sponsored form that is co-signed by a physician, EMS may attempt resuscitation.

EMS personnel are taught to proceed with CPR when needed, unless they are absolutely certain that a qualified DNR advance directive exists for that patient. If, after spending a reasonable (short) amount of time looking for the form or medallion, they do not see it, they will proceed with lifesaving measures.

What about other legal documents, such as a Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care or "living wills" -- are they acceptable in place of the Prehospital DNR form?
While such official documents are generally respected by EMS personnel (check with your attorney and with the local EMS agency in your county), it is important to keep in mind that most EMTs or paramedics do not have the legal training needed to interpret such documents, and more importantly, do not have the time to read a lengthy document and make a life-or-death decision on the scene. They have been taught to err on the side of the patient, if they are in doubt (in other words, to provide life support).

TLDR: You really need the medallion .

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm a member of Exit Switzerland and every member gets a DNR here. I filled mine out and sent it back to them, making clear that I do not wish to be resuscitated It's very comforting to know that things are settled in case of an emergency.

 

[JSauter]

I've often thought about forging a DNR order, complete with faking a signature of a real doctor, so by the time they can figure out it's a fake, I'd be dead. However, I imagine the consequences of doing this are dire, on the chance that I am resuscitated anyway. Truly wonderful to exist and have no ownership and authority over your own body and personhood. Not only this, but they'll lock you in a mental hospital immediately after.

People often wonder, 'how can someone have the courage to go through with hanging themselves." It's not courage, it's complete abandon in the face of the systematic cruelty we're faced with in the world. There was a thread here about whether or not the future will have better and more peaceful ways to end our life: No, it will get worse. We already have a substance that will let us end our pain peacefully, and we are forced into the most obscene and undignifying circumstances just to keep that substance, and similarly peaceful means, away from us.

 

[a.h]

I have

I'm a member of Exit Switzerland and every member gets a DNR here. I filled mine out and sent it back to them, making clear that I do not wish to be resuscitated It's very comforting to know that things are settled in case of an emergency.

Do medics act by law and not resuscitate people (also young) who have DNR in Switzerland?

In my country journalists have interviewed hospital staff years ago and many have said they have resuscitated people even they had DNR. They said they didn't know it and didn't have time to check it.

I don't know if it has changed after they made it easy to choose and for doctors to see in patients online medical info. Person just have to cross a box for it in their online medical info.
In my country it takes about 20-30 seconds to sign to patients online medical info and check if he/she has DNR or not so the ambulance and hospital staff will have time to check it for sure.

The thing I really hate is that here doctors can put DNR to old patients even when patient is living and moving on his own and he and all his relatives opposes it. Some doctors have done it and said that it's due to Corona and they want to keep hospital beds free.
It should always be patients own will. If they want more hospital spots free due to Corona and low hospital pudgets then why not allow Euthanasia.
They should at least offer cup of Nembutal to those who are dieing and have unbearable pain and who beg for it. Assisting suicide is legal in my country but those fuckers just assist suicide by stopping to give food to patients.

By studies nearly all of population wish euthanasia to be legal here and it has been pushed to be a law but those in power reject it every time.