Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[scary]

"Suicide is for cowards"

"You're too much of a coward to commit suicide"

Respectfully, which is it? Obviously lumping all suicide victims as cowardly is worse, but it's still awful to suggest either. This most likely has been said time and time on here again but that doesn't make it any less shitty. Suicide is not a choice, it's something people resort to when they feel that their life is unfixable. I don't think any mentally stable or physically healthy person would choose to take their own life.

Maybe its a backwards way for people to 'stop' suicides, but people will probably try to do it regardless of what you tell them. Even if you try to make it illegal people will try to CTB no matter what.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I slightly disagree in that- ultimately we do choose in life. Over lots of things when we become adults. Certainly- our choices may feel limited or heavily pushed one way or another. Anyone here now though is making the choice to read this, rather than to attempt to die. I suppose I just don't like the label of being too crazy or unhinged to be able to make rational and reasonable choices for myself.

I definitely agree though that it isn't cowardly to attempt suicide. It's terrifying on multiple levels.

I suppose personally- I feel like I might actually be too much of a coward to kill myself. I just hope I can overcome that. It's cruel to call someone a coward though for backing out. I'm sure SI can be overwhelming.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, it is a choice and for me non-existence is all I'd ever choose, it's all I see as positive, I'd never choose to be burdened with this torturous, dreadful existence that just causes harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured just to face the agony of old age, all I want is true permanent peace from the abomination of existence that just causes harm and suffering, for me existence itself is the problem and it's one only non-existence can solve for me.

I'd always choose peace over the terrible, cruel and deeply undesirable punishment of existence, it's just so terrible to me how humans impose this existence at all and there could never be anything cowardly about wanting peace from all future unnecessary suffering there was never a need for that just leads to decay and death anyway, suicide is a human right and the fact that suicide is seen as a crime instead just shows how evil this world truly is, every second is torture being conscious and I always suffer so much from being enslaved in this existence, to be at permanent peace from the mistake of existence is all I see as positive for me.

 

[Strangerdanger7]

"Suicide is for cowards"

"You're too much of a coward to commit suicide"

Respectfully, which is it? Obviously lumping all suicide victims as cowardly is worse, but it's still awful to suggest either. This most likely has been said time and time on here again but that doesn't make it any less shitty. Suicide is not a choice, it's something people resort to when they feel that their life is unfixable. I don't think any mentally stable or physically healthy person would choose to take their own life.

Maybe its a backwards way for people to 'stop' suicides, but people will probably try to do it regardless of what you tell them. Even if you try to make it illegal people will try to CTB no matter what.

My arguments exactly why are they criminalizing suicide when you would be the only one affected by it. It's a personal choice. It should be left between you and your doctor. If they wonder why the rates of this keep reoccurring it's because they have criminalized the behavior and provided us with no safety nets or alternatives.
This is literally on them why those rates keep going up.
If they decriminalized it more people would seek treat.

My arguments exactly why are they criminalizing suicide when you would be the only one affected by it. It's a personal choice. It should be left between you and your doctor. If they wonder why the rates of this keep reoccurring it's because they have criminalized the behavior and provided us with no safety nets or alternatives.
This is literally on them why those rates keep going up.
If they decriminalized it more people would seek treat.

They have this therapy fixes everything fantasy in their head and it doesn't fix everything for everybody. It is a pipe dream. They have shoebox a one size fits all approach and think it works on everyone. They do not listen to us this is not the case. You have too many of them thinking the answer will just put you on medication and send you to more therapy. When that proves ineffective they will just keep upping the dose and making the medication stronger hoping for a different result.
Pretty much you end up on the hamster wheel. An endless cycle of medication to treat medication side effects therapy that basically does nothing for you and a repeated cycle when that has failed again. Trust me trauma bonding is way better. I mean if you got somebody over there that has lived through the b******* and they can relate to you it's more effective then the book smart therapist with no experience of anything you're talking about. I do like my psychiatrist though because he basically tells it like it is there is no sugarcoating or b*******.

My arguments exactly why are they criminalizing suicide when you would be the only one affected by it. It's a personal choice. It should be left between you and your doctor. If they wonder why the rates of this keep reoccurring it's because they have criminalized the behavior and provided us with no safety nets or alternatives.
This is literally on them why those rates keep going up.
If they decriminalized it more people would seek treatment.

They have this therapy that fixes everything in their head, and it doesn't fix everything for everybody. It is a pipe dream. They have a one-size-fits-all approach and think it works for everyone. They do not listen to us. This is not the case. You have too many of them thinking the answer will just put you on medication and send you to more therapy. When that proves ineffective, they will keep upping the dose and making the medication stronger, hoping for a different result.
Pretty much, you end up on the hamster wheel. An endless cycle of medication to treat medication side effects, therapy that basically does nothing for you, and a repeated cycle when that has failed again. Trust me, trauma bonding is way better. I mean, if you got somebody over there that has lived through the b******* and they can relate to you, it's more effective than a book by a competent therapist with no experience of anything you're talking about. I do like my psychiatrist, though, because he basically tells it like it is; there is no sugarcoating or b*******.

 

[InevitableDeath]

Suicide is simply bodily autonomy. Or it should be. Same as abortion, vaccination, Do Not Resuscitate etc

There are reasonable arguments for those under 25 or whatever to not have instant access to it, as life events when you're young can be very overwhelming. But even then, if there is no hope after six months of real support (not just here's some antidepressants, good luck), or if there is chronic pain, or traumatising life situations, or daily despair, then it is a personal and individual choice.

Politicians will put in assisted dying for disabled and terminal, as politicians see neither as having slave potential. Everyone else will have to jump or hang.

Which is obviously not for cowards! Anyone that calls suicide cowardly is scum.