Help Cyanide dosage

[Shunya]

Cyanide is available where I am. Is 5g enough to ctb? How does one check for purity?
What does it feel like to go by cyanide? I'm curious of the pros and cons of cyanide vs sodium nitrite.
Which is faster? Which is less painful? Which requires less prep work, etc…

Can anyone please help enlighten me? Thank you =)

 

[Darkover]

Early symptoms include headache, dizziness, fast heart rate, shortness of breath, and vomiting. This phase may then be followed by seizures, slow heart rate, low blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and cardiac arrest. Onset of symptoms usually occurs within a few minutes.

 

[Shunya]

Early symptoms include headache, dizziness, fast heart rate, shortness of breath, and vomiting. This phase may then be followed by seizures, slow heart rate, low blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and cardiac arrest. Onset of symptoms usually occurs within a few minutes.

I did read the same thanks to Google, yes. I wonder though if anyone has more knowledge on it though…

 

[willitpass]

Cyanide is generally known as a pretty painful way to go. The one that sticks out to me is a true crime case where a man poisoned his kids halloween candy with cyanide. The kid came down with extreme abdominal pain and vomiting before he eventually lost consciousness.

 

[Shunya]

Cyanide is generally known as a pretty painful way to go. The one that sticks out to me is a true crime case where a man poisoned his kids halloween candy with cyanide. The kid came down with extreme abdominal pain and vomiting before he eventually lost consciousness.

Does it take long before that happens? I don't mind painful if it's quick rather than something like sn that takes time and may fail?

There was a case some years ago where im from, where a girl laced her friends iced coffee with cyanide. That girl died in the cafe and it was reported to be quick.

Made me think of how spieds would bite on those cyanide pills and die almost instantly. Do you know the amount of cyanide they used in those pills?

I have nitrogen at home but would also like other options. I worry about turning into a vegetable.

 

[nibbleone]

Where do you find cyanide?

 

[Intoxicated]

Cyanide is available where I am. Is 5g enough to ctb?

Yes, that should be enough.

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/7593/cdc_7593_DS1.pdf

There is great variability among "lethal doses" reported in the literature, probably due to differences in supportive care and therapy rendered. The potential lethal oral adult dose of cyanide salts in the absence of medical care is 200 to 300 mg, although persons ingesting 1 to 3 grams (g) of cyanide salts have survived. Inhaling 600 to 700 ppm hydrogen cyanide for 5 minutes or approximately 200 ppm for 30 minutes may be fatal. Survival in any specific case often depends upon the rapidity and scope of treatment.

How does one check for purity?

Perhaps, something like this could help

Cyanide Reagents (300 tests)

The HI93714-03 reagents are used for the colorimetric determination of cyanide on compatible benchtop and portable meters.

www.hannainst.com

What does it feel like to go by cyanide?

That depends on the kind of cyanide and how you consume it. The most efficient and fastest poisoning can be achieved with inhaling gaseous hydrogen cyanide at high concentrations like 1000 ppm, causing loss of consciousness in a few seconds. Ingestion of high doses of HCN or cyanides dissolved in water may have a slower onset, but still fast enough that you'd likely not suffer much from it.

I'm curious of the pros and cons of cyanide vs sodium nitrite.

I don't see any pros in sodium nitrite when comparing it to cyanides besides better accessibility.

Which is faster?

If you do HCN or KCN/NaCN poisoning in a right way, it should be way more fast.

Which is less painful?

Probably, no one here can tell you that for sure, but I suspect that a cyanide poisoning is more likely to be better in terms of discomfort if we compare best protocols for each method.

Which requires less prep work, etc…

Optimal protocols of cyanide poisoning appear to be more easy for me. They doesn't require long fasting (gaseous poisoning doesn't need it at all) or taking any auxiliary drugs.

Cyanide is generally known as a pretty painful way to go. The one that sticks out to me is a true crime case where a man poisoned his kids halloween candy with cyanide. The kid came down with extreme abdominal pain and vomiting before he eventually lost consciousness.

Poisoning food is far from an optimal way of achieving rapid loss of consciousness and death. That example doesn't tell anything about the level of discomfort when CTB with a cyanide is done properly.

 

[Shunya]

Yes, that should be enough.

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/7593/cdc_7593_DS1.pdf

Perhaps, something like this could help

Cyanide Reagents (300 tests)

The HI93714-03 reagents are used for the colorimetric determination of cyanide on compatible benchtop and portable meters.

www.hannainst.com

That depends on the kind of cyanide and how you consume it. The most efficient and fastest poisoning can be achieved with inhaling gaseous hydrogen cyanide at high concentrations like 1000 ppm, causing loss of consciousness in a few seconds. Ingestion of high doses of HCN or cyanides dissolved in water may have a slower onset, but still fast enough that you'd likely not suffer much from it.

I don't see any pros in sodium nitrite when comparing it to cyanides besides better accessibility.

If you do HCN or KCN/NaCN poisoning in a right way, it should be way more fast.

Probably, no one here can tell you that for sure, but I suspect that a cyanide poisoning is more likely to be better in terms of discomfort if we compare best protocols for each method.

Optimal protocols of cyanide poisoning appear to be more easy for me. They doesn't require long fasting (gaseous poisoning doesn't need it at all) or taking any auxiliary drugs.

Poisoning food is far from an optimal way of achieving rapid loss of consciousness and death. That example doesn't tell anything about the level of discomfort when CTB with a cyanide is done properly.

Hello! Thank you for replying to my thread!

I just bought 10g of it. I can get more if that's not enough. Please advise.
It's advertised as CN kalium and described to be a white crytal like powder, a poison to kill fish. The instructions Say to dilute 5g in 1litre of water. =/

"If you do HCN or KCN/NaCN poisoning in a right way, it should be way more fast."

What is the right way with the kind that I have? How would you suggest taking this? How would one turn this to gas? Or if dissolving in water, how much of it in how much water?
If you were to ctb, how would you do it, if I may ask?

Where do you find cyanide?

It's there locally where I am. It's not easy to find but it's there. I live in Indonesia.

 

[eashanm]

I might use Cyanide as well. It is my backup option after Thiopental. You can order cyanide strips to test purity

Exit Plan via Cyanide:

1. Empty Stomach. Drink Lemon Juice.
2. [Post 15 minutes] Drink 1-1.5g of cyanide dissolved in half a glass of water [Yellow Sugar Free Spoon (0.5g, so 2-3x) or ¼ tsp measured spoon (contains 1.2-1.5g) etc] After dissolving, wait 3-4 minutes.
3. Drink.
4. Larger doses could cause burning of the throat.

Double Dose.

I have extensively researched on it and have a guide if you'd like.

 

[Shunya]

I might use Cyanide as well. It is my backup option after Thiopental. You can order cyanide strips to test purity

Exit Plan via Cyanide:

1. Empty Stomach. Drink Lemon Juice.
2. [Post 15 minutes] Drink 1-1.5g of cyanide dissolved in half a glass of water [Yellow Sugar Free Spoon (0.5g, so 2-3x) or ¼ tsp measured spoon (contains 1.2-1.5g) etc] After dissolving, wait 3-4 minutes.
3. Drink.
4. Larger doses could cause burning of the throat.

Double Dose.

I have extensively researched on it and have a guide if you'd like.

Yes, I'd love your guide, please?

What are these testing strips called and How much cyanide would I need to dissolve for purity? I've bought 10g and hopefully it'll be sent soon.

Thiopental. Wow. I wish I could source that. I have Eebd hood with nitrogen and am between my 2nd option being sn or cyanide.

 

[Intoxicated]

It's advertised as CN kalium and described to be a white crytal like powder, a poison to kill fish. The instructions Say to dilute 5g in 1litre of water. =/

Does the manufacturer specify the % of KCN there?

How would you suggest taking this?

Depends on whether the purity of KCN is known.

How would one turn this to gas?

For example, by mixing KCN with battery acid for lead-acid batteries (dilute H2SO4).

Or if dissolving in water, how much of it in how much water?

I don't know what the most optimal protocol would be, but I think that 1.5 - 2 g of KCN in 100 ml of water after restraining from taking food or drinks for 3 hours should work well.

If you were to ctb, how would you do it

If I had 10 g of KCN, when choosing between ingestion of KCN and inhalation of HCN made from it, I'd probably prefer ingestion. It would be difficult for me to estimate the actual yield of gaseous HCN from such a small amount of salt due to good solubility of hydrogen cyanide in water. Among toxic gases I'd rather prefer hydrogen sulfide, since it's easy to obtain at high concentrations and I have more info about how it works.

1. Empty Stomach. Drink Lemon Juice.
2. [Post 15 minutes] Drink 1-1.5g of cyanide dissolved in half a glass of water [Yellow Sugar Free Spoon (0.5g, so 2-3x) or ¼ tsp measured spoon (contains 1.2-1.5g) etc] After dissolving, wait 3-4 minutes.
3. Drink.
4. Larger doses could cause burning of the throat.

Lemon juice can burn the throat too ) Perhaps, both can mitigate the effect of each other, since the juice contains citric acid and KCN produces hydroxide ions upon hydrolysis.

 

[maniac116]

Cyanide is an unpleasant experience to say the least!

 

[Davey40210]

I also read cyanide is very unpleasant.

 

[Shunya]

Does the manufacturer specify the % of KCN there?

Depends on whether the purity of KCN is known.

For example, by mixing KCN with battery acid for lead-acid batteries (dilute H2SO4).

I don't know what the most optimal protocol would be, but I think that 1.5 - 2 g of KCN in 100 ml of water after restraining from taking food or drinks for 3 hours should work well.

If I had 10 g of KCN, when choosing between ingestion of KCN and inhalation of HCN made from it, I'd probably prefer ingestion. It would be difficult for me to estimate the actual yield of gaseous HCN from such a small amount of salt due to good solubility of hydrogen cyanide in water. Among toxic gases I'd rather prefer hydrogen sulfide, since it's easy to obtain at high concentrations and I have more info about how it works.


Lemon juice can burn the throat too ) Perhaps, both can mitigate the effect of each other, since the juice contains citric acid and KCN produces hydroxide ions upon hydrolysis.

It doesn't specify the percentage. Only advertises it as fish poison.
Would you ingest the entire 10g?

 

[Intoxicated]

Ingesting an indeterminate amount of real KCN doesn't look like a good idea for me.

 

[Shunya]

Ingesting an indeterminate amount of real KCN doesn't look like a good idea for me.

2g in 100ml of water then?

 

[Intoxicated]

2g in 100ml of water then?

Do you have a plan for a case if that substance doesn't kill you? )

 

[Roadrunner]

Can't imagine it would be that bad, it was sure popular with the n@zi generals near the end of the WW2, from what I've read. They'd crush a tiny ampule of it in their mouths, put out a moan and be gone.

 

[norain]

I don't know how much I ingested because it was seeds and I felt bad, some dizziness and nausea soon appeared, it was not pleasant, I vomited everything

 

[lastboyscout]

Hello! Thank you for replying to my thread!

I just bought 10g of it. I can get more if that's not enough. Please advise.
It's advertised as CN kalium and described to be a white crytal like powder, a poison to kill fish. The instructions Say to dilute 5g in 1litre of water. =/

"If you do HCN or KCN/NaCN poisoning in a right way, it should be way more fast."

What is the right way with the kind that I have? How would you suggest taking this? How would one turn this to gas? Or if dissolving in water, how much of it in how much water?
If you were to ctb, how would you do it, if I may ask?

It's there locally where I am. It's not easy to find but it's there. I live in Indonesia.

jajaja after reading this i just cant stop imagining a guy getting into a store saying "Good morning sir i would like 10g of cyanide please" - sure thing young men, today the Antrax is also good ... im sorry but looking from an outside perspective this is so awkard that even gets kind of funny
I thought that wasnt even possible to get cyanide in a Dark Market, now imagine in a street store.. i cant think of any reason to kill the fish with this method .. supposing no one will eat poisened fish i wonder why they are cyanided -- ??

roadrunner already mentioned here, cyanide was used by the Nazis and allies soldiers in case they were caught by the enemy. The purpouse is obvious-- to have a quick and most possible unpainless death. They came inside small capsule to be swalloed . Even big officers patents as Himmler and Groennig used them. Their death took just a few seconds.. Probably it was mixed with other substances , i dont know,
The instant death together with the High rate of success would make this my first choice even if i had the big firearm option. unfortunately im not in US or Indonesia, so neither one or the other

Anyway, im curious in what happened to this project... success, aborted , on hold.... ?

 

[athiestjoe]

They'd crush a tiny ampule of it in their mouths, put out a moan and be gone.

The purpouse is obvious-- to have a quick and most possible unpainless death. They came inside small capsule to be swalloed . Even big officers patents as Himmler and Groennig used them. Their death took just a few seconds

These are just not accurate. It is not like *swallow* then * die a few seconds later * that is absolutely a Hollywood depiction, lay off the spy movies! Kidding on laying off spy movies, go for it. I wish it were that quick but that just is not reasonably founded as a reality. Is it still relatively quick? Sure. That quick? No. I suppose if it was a crazy high dose maybe it would accelerate death but I am not an expert on this method so I would always suggest, you guessed it, research.

Nor is it particularly painless. And absolutely would need a proper dose to not prolonge the pain. Until the loss of consciousness, they are fully experiencing every bit of the chemical's effects (good news, the N @ Zi scum suffered a little bit, the bad news so will we). Anything poison related is going to take a little bit of time. I wish things were different but the data and facts are what matters most. We should not deluded ourselves into believing methods are that fast unless they truly are (like for example firearms).

It is not "a few seconds" that is dramatized for TV and film but would take several minutes or potentially even hours if the dose is incorrect. Does not sound at all peaceful but then again there are only a few objectively 'peaceful' methods on all ratings while also balancing ease, access, reliability...I get it.

In Final Exit, Derek Humphry talks about it can be relatively quick and painless but goes on to describe a case which was: 'miserable and violent, marked frequent tetanic convulsions while awake'. Sounds kind of graphic, but look the reality is a poison logically on its face is not going to be pleasant. It's truly a judgement call for threshold for pain, discomfort, and all the side effects until loss of consciousness. I suppose if I had no other methods available but DID have access to this method then it would be on the table for me, so I am absolutely not judging anyone who is considering this especially if you do not have other methods of any kind and it is the only option and someone is pushed to the severity to need to consider CTB after exhausting all other resources. Period, I am pro-choice. I would never pass my own judgement on someone else even if the method was 'not for me' as I would then be the biggest hypocrit in the world as I am sure many people would not enjoy my top preferred method of firearm given it is seen as gruesome, violent and messy. I get it, I'll respect whatever people decide for themselves.

Ultimately, if you feel confident in having the right purity and the right dose, it maybe is something that people could overcome and out of enough pain and a desire for self-deliverance it might be a method someone wants to consider. I never pass any judgements for people wanting or not-wanting any particular method. I'm also all for innovation, and finding how to make methods better, more suitable, easier, more accessible, and all that jazz.

Cyanide is available where I am.

Also should point out there are different forms of cyanide. Is it potassium cyanide (KCN) or is it cyanide salt (NaCN)? Guessing since you are talking about ingestion it would not be HCN (aka inhaled). Might want to research the different forms of cyanide to double check if the lethal dose changes (from my super basic understanding, it does matter). While I usually presume if someone is talking about cyanide they are referring to KCN, just like some people think SN is sodium nitrAte and not nitrIte, I don't want to make any assumptions about anything at all. So just double check whatever your substance is and go from there first.

Somewhat ironically, sodium nitrite is an ancedote for cyanide poisoning. Imagine getting a dose of SN to reverse your cyanide poisoning and being like "Oh hay that was another of my methods for...nevermind..but can I get that to-go please?"

Ultimately boils down to a few things: (1) sufficient purity, (2) right quantity, and (3) an understanding it is going to be some brief suffering until loss of consciousness. If all of those check boxes for you and this is for you, then that's fanastic and I respect it.

With whatever you decide, I hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

 

[lastboyscout]

just like some people think SN is sodium nitrAte and not nitrIte, I don't want to make any assumptions about anything at all. So just double check whatever your substance is and go from there

bro this is very importantIm glad i saw this, i was assuming SN was nitrAte .. why calling SN for two different things ..damn
if i hadn't seen this, most likely was i had drunk 2 or 3 molds of this salty shit and wake up thinking i couldnt die lol . im glad you are here man. I think every forum should have a athiestjoe

These are just not accurate. It is not like *swallow* then * die a few seconds later * that is absolutely a Hollywood depiction, lay off the spy movies! Kidding on laying off spy movies, go for it. I wish it were that quick but that just is not reasonably founded as a reality. Is it still relatively quick? Sure. That quick? No. I suppose if it was a crazy high dose maybe it would accelerate death but I am not an expert on this method so I would always suggest, you guessed it, research.

not exactly guessed .. i saw one time a documentary about Hitlers last days, he before consuming the capsule himself, he gave one to his dog to check the potency of the poison (cyanide) given to him by Himmler , eyewitness saying the capsule was placed in the dogs mouth, pressed on the dogs jaws to crush the capsule and the dog immediately collapsed

Also should point out there are different forms of cyanide. Is it potassium cyanide (KCN) or is it cyanide salt (NaCN)? Guessing since you are talking about ingestion it would not be HCN (aka inhaled). Might want to research the different forms of cyanide to double check if the lethal dose changes (from my super basic understanding, it does matter).

I think bite the capsule´s glass to release a gas that provided the instant death effect . The form could be Hidrogen Cyanide ? idk and I have any idea how it works but if in theory when the gas reaches your brain in enough quantity you collapse, so comparing to when u smoke that u feel it instantly upthere , i would say in theory that yes ir could be possible to collaps in no more than 7 seconds. Even if it doesn't technically cause *death * immediately, at least cause unconsciousness.
Orally ingested than yes would obviously take more, probably few minutes at least to have an effect.

 

[Shunya]

Do you have a plan for a case if that substance doesn't kill you? )

Nitrogen as backup but I really just want to rely on the KCN as the sure way to go.
Unfortunately the person I attempted to get KCN from cancelled the order. I'm still going to try to purchase it from him again.

Sorry to be a bother but again, what dosage do you recommend?

jajaja after reading this i just cant stop imagining a guy getting into a store saying "Good morning sir i would like 10g of cyanide please" - sure thing young men, today the Antrax is also good ... im sorry but looking from an outside perspective this is so awkard that even gets kind of funny
I thought that wasnt even possible to get cyanide in a Dark Market, now imagine in a street store.. i cant think of any reason to kill the fish with this method .. supposing no one will eat poisened fish i wonder why they are cyanided -- ??

Anyway, im curious in what happened to this project... success, aborted , on hold.... ?

It's an online seller and they unfortunately cancelled my order. I've tried to re order and asked about the purity of the KCN but they've not responded.

I suppose if I had no other methods available but DID have access to this method then it would be on the table for me, so I am absolutely not judging anyone who is considering this especially if you do not have other methods of any kind and it is the only option and someone is pushed to the severity to need to consider CTB after exhausting all other resources. Period, I am pro-choice. I would never pass my own judgement on someone else even if the method was 'not for me' as I would then be the biggest hypocrit in the world as I am sure many people would not enjoy my top preferred method of firearm given it is seen as gruesome, violent and messy. I get it, I'll respect whatever people decide for themselves.

Ultimately, if you feel confident in having the right purity and the right dose, it maybe is something that people could overcome and out of enough pain and a desire for self-deliverance it might be a method someone wants to consider. I never pass any judgements for people wanting or not-wanting any particular method. I'm also all for innovation, and finding how to make methods better, more suitable, easier, more accessible, and all that jazz.


Also should point out there are different forms of cyanide. Is it potassium cyanide (KCN) or is it cyanide salt (NaCN)?

It is KCN. Advertised as fish poison. Haven't a clue of its purity. I'm having trouble figuring out if it will work, it's dosage and instructions, hence this post. Strangely the test kits cost most than the KCN itself.

If had access to a firearm, I'd choose that but it's not something I'll be able to get where I am. The only other options I have is nitrogen and sodium nitrite.

With the nitrogen, I'm having technical issues with my Eebd hood which has made me nervous. The exhaling valve doesn't seem to work.

With the SN, a local user I'd spoken to from the forum gave me details on where he sourced his. He had tested it and gotten the appropriate results. We spoke while he took it and has succeeded so I know it's legit. Sn has just never appealed to me. It'd be my last resort.

And thanks for the well wishes, friend. I hope things work out for you too, whatever you choose.

I don't know how much I ingested because it was seeds and I felt bad, some dizziness and nausea soon appeared, it was not pleasant, I vomited everything

Were there any side effects after? If I may ask, What is your backup plan since that didn't work out?

 

[Unspoken7612]

Nitrogen as backup but I really just want to rely on the KCN as the sure way to go.
Unfortunately the person I attempted to get KCN from cancelled the order. I'm still going to try to purchase it from him again.

Sorry to be a bother but again, what dosage do you recommend?

As per the previous post:
"There is great variability among "lethal doses" reported in the literature, probably due to differences in supportive care and therapy rendered. The potential lethal oral adult dose of cyanide salts in the absence of medical care is 200 to 300 mg, although persons ingesting 1 to 3 grams (g) of cyanide salts have survived."

The LD50 for KCN (taken orally) is 7.49mg for every kg of body weight. So someone who weighs 80kg would have a 50% chance of death if they took 600mg, which is 0.6g. Source: https://echa.europa.eu/registration-dossier/-/registered-dossier/13737/7/3/1

The LD80 for KCN in rabbits is apparently 8mg for every kg (source). That's only a small increase on the LD50.

We cannot recommend a dose. Safe to say your suggestion of 2g is likely to be adequate. Some people have survived taking that much, but they probably received medical treatment.

 

[theneverending]

Cyanide is available where I am. Is 5g enough to ctb? How does one check for purity?
What does it feel like to go by cyanide? I'm curious of the pros and cons of cyanide vs sodium nitrite.
Which is faster? Which is less painful? Which requires less prep work, etc…

Can anyone please help enlighten me? Thank you =)

5g is enough to ctb easily, cyanide death is painless and quick once it hits, it doesn't generally have a feeling.

 

[JackSparrow]

Demora muito para que isso aconteça? Não me importo com dor se for rápido, em vez de algo como sn que leva tempo e pode falhar?

Houve um caso há alguns anos atrás de onde eu sou, onde uma garota misturou café gelado de suas amigas com cianeto. Aquela garota morreu no café e foi relatada que foi rápida.

Me pensei em como espiões mordiam aquelas pílulas de cianeto e morriam quase instantaneamente. Você sabe a quantidade de cianeto que eles usavam pílulas?

Tenho nitrogênio em casa, mas também gostaria de outras opções. Tenho medo de virar um vegetal.

Olá! Obrigado por responder ao meu tópico!

Acabei de comprar 10g dele. Posso pegar mais se não for suficiente. Por favor, avise.
É anunciado como CN kalium e descrito como um pó branco cristalino, um veneno para matar peixes. As instruções dizem para diluir 5g em 1 litro de água. =/

"Se você fizer o envenenamento por HCN ou KCN/NaCN da maneira correta, o processo será muito mais rápido."

Qual é a maneira certa do tipo que eu tenho? Como você sugere fazer isso? Como alguém transformaria isso em gás? Ou se dissolve em água, quanto disso em quanta água?
Se você fosse fazer o CTB, como faria, me permite perguntar?

Está lá localmente onde estou. Não é fácil de encontrar, mas está lá. Eu moro na Indonésia.

Você acredita que é possível enviar para o Brasil?

 

[onelastcall]

How does someone buy Cyanide?