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PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

Breaths through his nose
Jul 20, 2025
37
Do you have some real evidence in support of the selected claim or it's just your fantasy?
I have the feeling you're trolling me now. You can't seriously say I "pulled that stuff out of my ass" when I've posted reliable scientific sources twice clearly showing how continuous oxygenated blood flow is absolutely necessary to regain and maintain consciousness.



Both explain that it's not just about how much oxygen is in your blood overall, but about the continuous supply of oxygen to the brain tissue through breathing and circulation. Once breathing stops, oxygen delivery falls too low to restore consciousness, even if some oxygen remains in the blood.

Admitting you're simply wrong now is more honorable than trying to convince me you're not. Misinformation is dangerous. (Especially on this site 💀)

Maybe you're trying to refuse the fact that such a simple method exists out there.
 
Intoxicated

Intoxicated

M
Nov 16, 2023
919
Both explain that it's not just about how much oxygen is in your blood overall, but about the continuous supply of oxygen to the brain tissue through breathing and circulation. Once breathing stops, oxygen delivery falls too low to restore consciousness, even if some oxygen remains in the blood.
You claim that delivery of oxygen to the brain drops below "the functional threshold" "almost immediately when breathing stops", and I want to see exact citation that supports this particular claim, not entire articles which you think somehow explain your point of view. Otherwise, I could with equal ease claim that those articles prove that your statement is a complete bullshit, without quoting anything particular from there.
Admitting you're simply wrong now is more honorable than trying to convince me you're not.
I can only admit that I likely waste my time commenting your ramblings here.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

Breaths through his nose
Jul 20, 2025
37
You claim that delivery of oxygen to the brain drops below "the functional threshold" "almost immediately when breathing stops", and I want to see exact citation that supports this particular claim, not entire articles which you think somehow explain your point of view. Otherwise, I could with equal ease claim that those articles prove that your statement is a complete bullshit, without quoting anything particular from there.

I can only admit that I likely waste my time commenting your ramblings here.
Yawn… why would I try and convince you if I'm already sure what I'm saying is right if you just fucking read the damn article.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

Breaths through his nose
Jul 20, 2025
37
If you have severe troubles with logical thinking, reading articles won't help you.
If you're unwilling to read the sources you demand, there's no point continuing. I trust the physiology and the peer-reviewed science. You clearly trust your imagination.
 
Intoxicated

Intoxicated

M
Nov 16, 2023
919
If you're unwilling to read the sources you demand, there's no point continuing. I trust the physiology and the peer-reviewed science. You clearly trust your imagination.
Of course, it may be easy to pretend like you know something by referencing lengthy texts that people would likely not bother to read. But, unluckily for you, I'm a very curious person, so I've checked the articles you provided, and now I can say with all honesty that there is nothing there that would support your claim. These articles even barely touch respiration, they focus mostly on entirely different subjects.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

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Jul 20, 2025
37
Of course, it may be easy to pretend like you know something by referencing lengthy texts that people would likely not bother to read. But, unluckily for you, I'm a very curious person, so I've checked the articles you provided, and now I can say with all honesty that there is nothing there that would support your claim. These articles even barely touch respiration, they focus mostly on entirely different subjects.
Honestly I should start demanding answers from you.

When and why did you jump to the conclusion that falling unconscious underwater, regardless of the reason for such thing to happen, isn't basically 100% fatal unless prompt rescue and assisted resurfacing happens?

This article for example:


Doesn't even specify loss of consciousness as having to always be critically low SaO2 levels in order for the individual to have an almost certain death. It states any reason for losing unconsciousness underwater is fatal.

"It stands to reason, therefore, that any condition that may impair one's attention, awareness, or the proper evaluation of risk while underwater, let alone consciousness itself, may have catastrophic results and the prospect of death by drowning. One could even say that the loss of consciousness underwater (LOCU) equals death, unless the person is very lucky indeed."

Now, I want YOU to show ME where you got the reasoning behind this "1 LiTrE oF bLooD oXYgEn In ToTAl = consciousness" nonsense.
 
Intoxicated

Intoxicated

M
Nov 16, 2023
919
This article for example:


Doesn't even specify loss of consciousness as having to always be critically low SaO2 levels in order for the individual to have an almost certain death. It states any reason for losing unconsciousness underwater is fatal.

"It stands to reason, therefore, that any condition that may impair one's attention, awareness, or the proper evaluation of risk while underwater, let alone consciousness itself, may have catastrophic results and the prospect of death by drowning. One could even say that the loss of consciousness underwater (LOCU) equals death, unless the person is very lucky indeed."

Now, I want YOU to show ME where you got the reasoning behind this "1 LiTrE oF bLooD oXYgEn In ToTAl = consciousness" nonsense.
You changed the subject: the non-method you suggested in the first post is aimed to prevent conscious drowning, while the risks of accidental drowning in case if unconsciousness occurs in some pool of water is a different matter.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

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Jul 20, 2025
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You changed the subject: the non-method you suggested in the first post is aimed to prevent conscious drowning, while the risks of accidental drowning in case if unconsciousness in some pool of water is a different matter.
Nice dodge. I didn't change the subject—you just never answered the question.

I asked where you got the (seemingly correct but factually incorrect) idea that having oxygen in the blood means someone regains consciousness underwater. You still haven't answered, because you can't - it's nonsense.

My point was 100% relevant: unconscious underwater = death without rescue, no matter how much O2 they started with. Try again, or just admit your claim is complete bullshit.

I want precise quotations from any articles you might (but won't) find contradicting this, by the way. Go on, I'll wait.
 
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TheEmptyVoid

TheEmptyVoid

Student
Jun 18, 2025
149
This method is one I've come up with recently by studying the mechanics of fainting and shallow water blackout.

Feel free to debunk my method if it's got any obvious flaws making it highly risky in terms of permanent brain damage if done incorrectly.

Essentially what I thought of is shallow water blackout but instead of hyperventilating then holding your breath, you faint via other methods. These other methods could be inhaling an inert gas underwater, but for ease of use, you could literally use anything to fall unconscious underwater. A literal YOUTUBE search could yield you many possibilities on how to faint on command but what I've gone with is:

1. Quick, deep breaths
2. Once you feel you're dizzy, put your thumb on your mouth (take a final deep breath before doing this)
3. Blow into your thumb as hard as you can WITHOUT LETTING ANY AIR OUT (note that you must already be in your body of water once you've reached this step since no more breathing will be going on.)
4. You will pass out (fall unconscious) due to lack of blood flow to the brain.

And that's pretty much it. I understand that SWB is essentially passing out underwater and since holding my breath didn't work and this "breathing into your thumb method" (which I found on YouTube) does work (to pass out), it's worth a try.
I actually did this back in 2024, and right when I blowed on my thumb, I was dreaming really vivid and it was about youtube videos, and I woke up with the most horrible feeling like when waking up initially feels like I am stuck in a video game, the feeling was pure mental torture even though it lasted 3 to 4 seconds, this method you said only makes you pass out but you don't die by itself.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

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Jul 20, 2025
37
I actually did this back in 2024, and right when I blowed on my thumb, I was dreaming really vivid and it was about youtube videos, and I woke up with the most horrible feeling like when waking up initially feels like I am stuck in a video game, the feeling was pure mental torture even though it lasted 3 to 4 seconds, this method you said only makes you pass out but you don't die by itself.
Dude ofc you don't die from hyperventilating + Valsalva 💀. That method is just a workaround for hyperventilating + breath holding which is harder for going unconscious.

Dying only happens if you lose consciousness and are underwater.

Btw it seems @Intoxicated has finally realised he's been spewing misinformation this whole time and won't dare to write a reply to my message.
 
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TheEmptyVoid

TheEmptyVoid

Student
Jun 18, 2025
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Dude ofc you don't die from hyperventilating + Valsalva 💀. That method is just a workaround for hyperventilating + breath holding which is harder for going unconscious.

Dying only happens if you lose consciousness and are underwater.

Btw it seems @Intoxicated has finally realised he's been spewing misinformation this whole time and won't dare to write a reply to my message.
I should try to do the hyperventilating + Valsalva and right when I blow on my thumb, I should put on a plastic bag with a cord tightly secured around my head and neck, and I should not wake up midway, if this actually works, I would do it right now.
 
PotentiallyWasted

PotentiallyWasted

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Jul 20, 2025
37
I should try to do the hyperventilating + Valsalva and right when I blow on my thumb, I should put on a plastic bag with a cord tightly secured around my head and neck, and I should not wake up midway, if this actually works, I would do it right now.
Doesn't work. First of all, good luck putting an air tight bag over your head after hyperventilating and with a thumb in your mouth. Second of all, it's just simply inconvenient what you're suggesting. It's essentially the same mechanic - not being able to breathe in fresh oxygen, but being underwater does that too, so why bother 😂
 
Intoxicated

Intoxicated

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Nov 16, 2023
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I asked where you got the (seemingly correct but factually incorrect) idea that having oxygen in the blood means someone regains consciousness underwater.
If existing consciousness can be maintained for 2 minutes without respiration after maximum exhale (as I found out in my own experiments), why wouldn't regaining consciousness be possible during at least half of this period?

I've checked a few videos of the pass out challenge. This method is even worse than I thought. Most people wake up within 10 seconds (I was hoping to see blackouts lasted for at least 30 seconds).





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How much oxygen can your body consume in 10 seconds? The amount of used O2 would be just too miserable to make any difference from the normal reserve of O2 in the body. And, as the videos show, people easily recover when the factor that caused unconsciousness is eliminated and enough oxygen is present in the body.
I want precise quotations from any articles you might (but won't) find contradicting this, by the way. Go on, I'll wait.
When the oxygen saturation of the blood is rapidly reduced by hyperventilation with nitrogen the only subjective sign may be dimness of vision, to be followed by abrupt unconsciousness with convulsions, which will occur within about 20 seconds (Ernsting, 1963). The speed of onset is due to the very rapid washout of lung oxygen together with the aid to arterial desaturation provided by the reverse alveolar-arterial oxygen gradient which develops. In anoxia induced more gradually, unconsciousness occurs when the arterial haemoglobin oxygen saturation reaches 60-65 per cent with the Pa02 being about 35 mm Hg.

Source: https://www.bjanaesthesia.org/article/S0007-0912(17)45696-0/pdf

You can't even nearly approach 60 - 65% O2 saturation by stopping respiration for 10 seconds; in fact, it will remain to be close to 100% instead.

You basically claim that regaining consciousness demands much more oxygen than is needed for maintaining consciousness. A conjecture that I can remain conscious for 2 minutes, but can't regain consciousness just after 10 seconds once breathing is stopped is very unobvious and counterintuitive, and it's your responsibility to prove it rather than my responsibility to find strict proofs that it's wrong based on direct experiments. The next day you may claim that smelling your shit can prevent you from waking up underwater, and then what? You'll ask for articles that directly indicate that smelling shit doesn't work? And if I don't find such articles for you, the method may automatically be deemed reliable?

Btw it seems @Intoxicated has finally realised he's been spewing misinformation this whole time and won't dare to write a reply to my message.
Of course, I have nothing else to do than just sitting on this forum and replying to your posts ASAP :pfff: This sentence alone shows that you're just a fucking troll.
 

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