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SmokingCivet

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PPeH mentions these chemicals as possible end of life potential. Can anyone vouch or give a reason why any of those won't work?
Barium nitrite is very available where I'm from, so I'm curious to hear opinions from others who have done research on the other nitrites
 
gothbird

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I've actually looked into this pretty heavily, mostly as a backup in case my SN didn't arrive (it did, thankfully). So if anyone's curious about the viability of other nitrite salts, here's a breakdown. Bear with me, this is going to be a bit of an info dump.

All nitrite based compounds share the same fundamental mechanism: the nitrite ion (NO₂⁻) causes methemoglobinemia, which prevents haemoglobin from carrying oxygen, leading to hypoxia and ultimately death. In theory, any nitrite salt like sodium nitrite, potassium nitrite, calcium nitrite, lithium nitrite, or even barium nitrite could work, so long as it delivers a high enough concentration of nitrite into the bloodstream.

But the rest of the molecule matters, too. The accompanying cation (like barium, calcium, or lithium) changes the toxicity profile, solubility, and absorption, and those things are crucial.


Barium Nitrite [Ba(NO₂)₂]:
This one is technically capable of delivering NO₂⁻, but it's a terrible candidate. Barium salts are acutely poisonous even in small amounts. They disrupt potassium channels in your cells, which causes muscle paralysis, cardiac arrhythmias, nausea, vomiting, and in some cases convulsions. You'd be dealing with two modes of poisoning at once: nitrite-induced hypoxia and barium toxicity. That might sound like double insurance, but in reality, it likely means a far more distressing and uncontrolled death. It's chemically viable, but absolutely not peaceful. In fact, barium chloride (a closely related compound) is historically used as a rat poison.

Calcium Nitrite [Ca(NO₂)₂]:
Calcium is naturally present in the body and relatively safe, so this compound is theoretically safer than barium. Calcium nitrite is used in things like concrete corrosion inhibitors and sometimes in agriculture. But it's less soluble in water than sodium nitrite, which makes dosing trickier. You'd need more of it to achieve the same effect, and because there's almost no clinical data on oral ingestion in large doses, the human toxicity profile is pretty much unknown. It's not ruled out, but it's untested, unpredictable, and riskier than SN.

Lithium Nitrite [LiNO₂]:
This one is interesting. Lithium also delivers NO₂⁻, but the lithium ion is pharmacologically active. It's a psychiatric drug, after all. In overdose, lithium can cause tremors, confusion, kidney failure, seizures, and coma, and the toxicity is slow building. So if you're taking enough lithium nitrite to get the methemoglobinemia effect, you're probably also introducing lithium toxicity, which can delay or interfere with the process. It's kind of like trying to juggle two poisons and hoping they sync up. The nitrite would be doing the main job, but lithium's side effects could make the process less reliable. Again, no real world human reports to go off—just theoretical chemistry. I think this would be the best if I were to choose.


So while alternatives can deliver nitrite ions, they all come with baggage. SN remains the preferred method because:
  • It's highly soluble, meaning it dissolves easily into a uniform dose.
  • The sodium ion is safe in the amounts used.
  • There are dozens of documented cases, both successful and interrupted, that have helped build a known profile of how it behaves in the body.
The PPH only lists alternatives to show what's chemically possible, not necessarily what's safe or predictable. In practice, SN has the cleanest toxicological profile, the most accessibility, and the clearest dosing strategy.
 
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@gothbird thanks for the reply. Every comment/post I've seen from you has been super in depth and informative.
 
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@gothbird thanks for the reply. Every comment/post I've seen from you has been super in depth and informative.
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. I try to be as clear and accurate as I can, especially when the topic is this serious and information can get so easily twisted or lost. If there's ever anything you want help digging into, just tag me! always happy to help where I can.
 
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Potassium chloride?
 
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I've actually looked into this pretty heavily, mostly as a backup in case my SN didn't arrive (it did, thankfully). So if anyone's curious about the viability of other nitrite salts, here's a breakdown. Bear with me, this is going to be a bit of an info dump.

All nitrite based compounds share the same fundamental mechanism: the nitrite ion (NO₂⁻) causes methemoglobinemia, which prevents haemoglobin from carrying oxygen, leading to hypoxia and ultimately death. In theory, any nitrite salt like sodium nitrite, potassium nitrite, calcium nitrite, lithium nitrite, or even barium nitrite could work, so long as it delivers a high enough concentration of nitrite into the bloodstream.

But the rest of the molecule matters, too. The accompanying cation (like barium, calcium, or lithium) changes the toxicity profile, solubility, and absorption, and those things are crucial.


Barium Nitrite [Ba(NO₂)₂]:
This one is technically capable of delivering NO₂⁻, but it's a terrible candidate. Barium salts are acutely poisonous even in small amounts. They disrupt potassium channels in your cells, which causes muscle paralysis, cardiac arrhythmias, nausea, vomiting, and in some cases convulsions. You'd be dealing with two modes of poisoning at once: nitrite-induced hypoxia and barium toxicity. That might sound like double insurance, but in reality, it likely means a far more distressing and uncontrolled death. It's chemically viable, but absolutely not peaceful. In fact, barium chloride (a closely related compound) is historically used as a rat poison.

Calcium Nitrite [Ca(NO₂)₂]:
Calcium is naturally present in the body and relatively safe, so this compound is theoretically safer than barium. Calcium nitrite is used in things like concrete corrosion inhibitors and sometimes in agriculture. But it's less soluble in water than sodium nitrite, which makes dosing trickier. You'd need more of it to achieve the same effect, and because there's almost no clinical data on oral ingestion in large doses, the human toxicity profile is pretty much unknown. It's not ruled out, but it's untested, unpredictable, and riskier than SN.

Lithium Nitrite [LiNO₂]:
This one is interesting. Lithium also delivers NO₂⁻, but the lithium ion is pharmacologically active. It's a psychiatric drug, after all. In overdose, lithium can cause tremors, confusion, kidney failure, seizures, and coma, and the toxicity is slow building. So if you're taking enough lithium nitrite to get the methemoglobinemia effect, you're probably also introducing lithium toxicity, which can delay or interfere with the process. It's kind of like trying to juggle two poisons and hoping they sync up. The nitrite would be doing the main job, but lithium's side effects could make the process less reliable. Again, no real world human reports to go off—just theoretical chemistry. I think this would be the best if I were to choose.


So while alternatives can deliver nitrite ions, they all come with baggage. SN remains the preferred method because:
  • It's highly soluble, meaning it dissolves easily into a uniform dose.
  • The sodium ion is safe in the amounts used.
  • There are dozens of documented cases, both successful and interrupted, that have helped build a known profile of how it behaves in the body.
The PPH only lists alternatives to show what's chemically possible, not necessarily what's safe or predictable. In practice, SN has the cleanest toxicological profile, the most accessibility, and the clearest dosing strategy.
Did your research lead you anywhere on potassium nitrtite?
 
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Did your research lead you anywhere on potassium nitrtite?
Same outcome, just a different salt really.

Only difference seems that KN has a higher molar mass than SN, so you need more by weight to reach the same dose. For reference, SN is about 69 g/mol, KN is around 85 g/mol from what I read. You adjust accordingly based on purity which should ideally be 98%+ jjst like SN.

It's hygroscopic like SN, so it needs to be stored airtight, in a dry, cool place.
It's still salty, still metallic, still unpleasant. Same vomiting risk, so antiemetics are needed.

Honestly, not much about the protocol would change hypothetically. Like here's how I'd do it:
24hr fast beforehand minimum. nothing heavy in the stomach, just water. Meto (or ondansetron in my case) about 45 minutes before. I'd measure the dose by weight, using my precision scale. Dose depends on body weight and desired margin, but typical fatal doses seem to range around 0.3–0.5g/kg. I'd round up slightly to account for variability. And then I'd just mix the powder into cold water, quickly, stir, and drink in one go. Cold helps with taste and slows nausea onset. Lie down after as long as I can sitting up. Let it hit.

If I find a good supplier for KN, I might grab some when I have the money. Could be a lab rat, who knows ..
 
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