Discussion BBQ in car?

[snooker1]

https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/14159662.Teacher__36__killed_himself_by_lighting_disposable_barbecue_in_car_in_Belbroughton__inquest_hears/

This guy was my teacher at school. I'm just wondering about this method. I've seen loads of info on here about needing to buy a tent and charcoal and all that stuff, but this man did it much easier it seems?

 

[imOK]

That's a rough looking 36 old, poor guy.

Every small space works. He did use charcoal.

 

[snooker1]

That's a rough looking 36 old, poor guy.

Every small space works. He did use charcoal.

I know but people on here say you need a chimney starter, a bucket, charcoal, a sealed specific type of tent, the carbon level monitor thing, etc. Seems like it can be done with much less?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Can be done with less but the risks to fail also increase. You won't necessarily need the CO meter but you should use more than enough charcoal.

 

[imOK]

I know but people on here say you need a chimney starter, a bucket, charcoal, a sealed specific type of tent, the carbon level monitor thing, etc. Seems like it can be done with much less?

What exactly he had done you'll never know, the article won't give you a list of supplies to buy. It might be vague on purpose. Low-key surprised they report about a suicide as-is.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It can be done in a car. Need to use enough charcoal. Seal-up leakage spots. Keep hot charcoals and hot container away from carpeting and upholstery. Don't be found to early. The higher you get the CO level, the more effective it is. That's why a CO analyzer is useful. There's just more risk without one. Still, it can and has been done. It's still worth doing some studying about best practices - what to do, what not to do, etc.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

I know but people on here say you need a chimney starter, a bucket, charcoal, a sealed specific type of tent, the carbon level monitor thing, etc. Seems like it can be done with much less?

The disposable grill eliminates the need for the separate starter, bucket and charcoal. People did this method w/o the carbon monitor which is just recommended by the PPH to be more certain the levels are high enough. I do wonder where he lit the grill, how many he used if more than one, how he transported them to his car and if he took any measures to seal the car. The whole process of using the starter makes this method almost impossible to execute anywhere except secluded area where campfires and grilling are accepted behavior. The disposable grill seems to make this method doable in a suburban area without drawing attention to some extent but as you can see it still drew the attention of a casual observer so I wonder if he did this in the middle of the night. Our community tends to over think things as we are concerned about the consequences of a botched attempt. The disposable grill appears to greatly simplify the prep for this method.

 

[snooker1]

Reckon 3 would be enough?

 

[imOK]

botched attempt

Well mostly because the survivorship bias I think. For every given method, you can find plenty of stories that somebody attempted them, and they didn't work. The authors then might also not really be fully clear about what went wrong so it didn't work, so maybe it was a preventable mistake but you don't know that. On top of that, in media etc. successful suicides are not reported a lot on. In my country they completely stopped doing it. Makes it seem like nobody really dies of suicide, when it happens daily. So when you only hear of botched attempts and rarely of successful ones, you naturally start thinking you have a big chance to botch your own attempt, when that is not necessarily true, given the right preperation.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Well mostly because the survivorship bias I think.

Maybe. If I remember correctly the only botched/aborted CO attempts I read about were from members here. I haven't read any first hand accounts elsewhere though. There's the acute stuff like headaches and vomiting but if one goes too long in a hypoxic brain state yet gets rescued they're looking at major cognitive disabilities for life hence on the PPH emphasis on using a meter to get it right - for sure. To your point, the CO method became popular in Asian countries, second to hanging, and presumably they didn't a use a CO meter. I've seen various news articles and scene pictures with lots of variance in the way it's executed.

 

[snooker1]

I don't want to be left with brain damage if it doesn't work

 

[2messdup]

What exactly he had done you'll never know, the article won't give you a list of supplies to buy. It might be vague on purpose. Low-key surprised they report about a suicide as-is.

I was surprised they reported as much as they did. Press guidelines say they shouldnt report methods. There'll be a spike in CO attempts now for sure.

It can be done in a car. Need to use enough charcoal. Seal-up leakage spots. Keep hot charcoals and hot container away from carpeting and upholstery. Don't be found to early. The higher you get the CO level, the more effective it is. That's why a CO analyzer is useful. There's just more risk without one. Still, it can and has been done. It's still worth doing some studying about best practices - what to do, what not to do, etc.

I always wonder how you prevent the charcoal setting light to the car (or tent if it's the small Malawi type)

 

[Holu]

I'm not gonna lie the title made me think he ctb'd by sitting in a hot car until dehydration. The way he went is a lot better and kinder though. No idea how safe(nobody spots you), painless, and effective(how long it takes) it would be, but I assume it wouldn't be much different from standard hypoxia. That said, I've read the smoke from house fires is painful to breath because inflammation in the lungs starts creating liquid which makes you feel like your drowning.

 

[snooker1]

I'm not gonna lie the title made me think he ctb'd by sitting in a hot car until dehydration. The way he went is a lot better and kinder though. No idea how safe(nobody spots you), painless, and effective(how long it takes) it would be, but I assume it wouldn't be much different from standard hypoxia. That said, I've read the smoke from house fires is painful to breath because inflammation in the lungs starts creating liquid which makes you feel like your drowning.

Think you're meant to light them outside the car and then take them in when they've stopped smoking, but this article does make it sound like he lit it in the car. But that would be risky because someone might see

I was surprised they reported as much as they did. Press guidelines say they shouldnt report methods. There'll be a spike in CO attempts now for sure.

I always wonder how you prevent the charcoal setting light to the car (or tent if it's the small Malawi type)

If it's a disposable bbq it's in a metal tray so it just wouldn't touch any material in the car I guess? If you take it in the car after it's stopped burning

 

[Holu]

Think you're meant to light them outside the car and then take them in when they've stopped smoking, but this article does make it sound like he lit it in the car. But that would be risky because someone might see


If it's a disposable bbq it's in a metal tray so it just wouldn't touch any material in the car I guess? If you take it in the car after it's stopped burning

That makes way more sense thank you lmao. I was just picturing a closed bbq that was lit inside a car.

 

[snooker1]

There's loads of articles about people just lighting 1 disposable BBQ in their bedroom or living room and it killing them. So they didn't need loads of coal or all the other stuff. Maybe they didn't even seal the room.

 

[2messdup]

There's loads of articles about people just lighting 1 disposable BBQ in their bedroom or living room and it killing them. So they didn't need loads of coal or all the other stuff. Maybe they didn't even seal the room.

But that risks killing others because the gas can travel through walls etc

 

[snooker1]

But that risks killing others because the gas can travel through walls etc

Oh I see! Thanks