EmpressDean

EmpressDean

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Hello. My whole life I've been afraid of marriage and children. Turns out I'm autistic female. I struggle very hard to cook meals for myself, or care for myself when I'm sick, or learn how to do a job. Basically I'm learning disabled but I'm functioning enough. I just suck really really bad. The expectations of a woman to be a wife-
Cook good, clean good, organized budget, organize mental load, and just handle childcare I struggle too much and my mind shuts down. I hate it. I wish there was medicine that can fix my bandwidth to do everything and learn how to cook really good and everything. I'm very behind.
So here's the question, knowing this, would you be okay with a woman like this being your wife?
There is a man who has shown interest in me but I'm afraid of being such a failure of a wife or mother, that I can't let myself date him. I honestly feel like a child.
 
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I can't speak to you specifically, because I don't know you... but to the concepts you bring up...

I'm a man. Once I moved out from my parents, I do everything myself. I cook, I clean, I do dishes (by hand or dishwasher), I do laundry, I take care of the yard, I shop for groceries, I plan for things, I schedule, I handle the finances... basically if it needs to happen in my life and in my home, I am the one who does it.

Presumably if I meet a woman, and she lives on her own, she is capable of doing most of these things as well... because how else would she be surviving? Maybe she doesn't cook, she just buys stuff already prepared. That's a modern convenience. Same can be said for housecleaning, maybe she hires someone. But the point is, there are lots of necessary things and she is taking care of them somehow for herself or she'd be having problems.

Now, she and I meet and at some point decide we like each other and move in together... maybe get married, who knows... but once we are living together there starts being less "my" and "her" stuff and more "our stuff" to handle. I like to cook, I don't need her to cook. Might be nice if we cooked together... and maybe we eat out or heat up microwave stuff sometimes... lots of ways to get the food in us. She doesn't need to do all the housecleaning because she's a woman... Again, I do all that shit myself. Be nice in a partnership to have help... divide and conquer. All the things we each had to do completely on our own, we can share now. Sharing can be doing the work together, alternating tasks, or dividing up stuff so I do things I like or am better at and she does things she likes or is better at.

There's no real reason, though, to automatically hold onto antiquated gender roles arbitrarily... So if there are things you are not good at or don't like to do... you find a partner who likes and is good at doing those things and that's how you divide stuff up in your partnership. Give and take... you each have less to go together than you have to do on your own.

Some people (not you) make it way more complicated than it has to be. I had a friend who did all the stuff himself... got married and suddenly expected his wife to do all the housework and cook even though she also had a full-time job. I remember saying to him "what the fuck dude" because I knew he was capable of doing it all and since they both worked full-time, it felt like dividing stuff equally made sense... but he tried to have traditional roles and their marriage didn't last because he was making problems where there didn't have to be any.

EDIT: unrelated... I rewatch Supernatural episodes all the time... so while I promise you I'm not flirting with you here... you'd get a lot of pre-credit for being a fan of that show in my book!
 
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Marriage and children are optional but I'm assuming it's something you want? If I'm understanding correctly.

Your fears are perfectly understandable too. You can't just trust anybody to settle down with and on top of that child bearing/rearing is VERY hard on any woman (or man for the raising the kid(s) part but typically all the load for that goes onto the woman unfortunately.)

I will say your ideas of what a wife is seems outdated, rather, it should be a partnerships that does those things together not just you because you have the status of "wife"
Also, "the perfect wife" doesn't really exist in the sense that nothing and nobody is "perfect", it's really all subjective. On top of that wives and mothers burn out too, they burn out often and aren't as put together as they seem- they're still human after all.

I think you should look up stories about wives and mothers with autism and look and see how they live day to day and their love stories. Perhaps it will give more insight and help ease your anxieties. I wish you the best.
 
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If he has shown interest see where it goes. Easy for me to say.
How did you wind up this way? Do you think it's the autism? I'm a man but feel similar to you in that I feel like I don't know how to do much stuff. My parents never forced much on me but still, I could have learned sooo much more in life.
As for now, similar to @Dejected 55 i know enough to get by living on my own but nothing like I should. So I wonder how much is environment vs just being limited from the autism
 
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As for the idea of having children, it's worth noting that autism is inheritable. This means that children of a parent with ASD and their descendants have increased chances of getting this disorder. I think, a possible future father deserves to be informed of such risks.
 
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EmpressDean

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I can't speak to you specifically, because I don't know you... but to the concepts you bring up...

I'm a man. Once I moved out from my parents, I do everything myself. I cook, I clean, I do dishes (by hand or dishwasher), I do laundry, I take care of the yard, I shop for groceries, I plan for things, I schedule, I handle the finances... basically if it needs to happen in my life and in my home, I am the one who does it.

Presumably if I meet a woman, and she lives on her own, she is capable of doing most of these things as well... because how else would she be surviving? Maybe she doesn't cook, she just buys stuff already prepared. That's a modern convenience. Same can be said for housecleaning, maybe she hires someone. But the point is, there are lots of necessary things and she is taking care of them somehow for herself or she'd be having problems.

Now, she and I meet and at some point decide we like each other and move in together... maybe get married, who knows... but once we are living together there starts being less "my" and "her" stuff and more "our stuff" to handle. I like to cook, I don't need her to cook. Might be nice if we cooked together... and maybe we eat out or heat up microwave stuff sometimes... lots of ways to get the food in us. She doesn't need to do all the housecleaning because she's a woman... Again, I do all that shit myself. Be nice in a partnership to have help... divide and conquer. All the things we each had to do completely on our own, we can share now. Sharing can be doing the work together, alternating tasks, or dividing up stuff so I do things I like or am better at and she does things she likes or is better at.

There's no real reason, though, to automatically hold onto antiquated gender roles arbitrarily... So if there are things you are not good at or don't like to do... you find a partner who likes and is good at doing those things and that's how you divide stuff up in your partnership. Give and take... you each have less to go together than you have to do on your own.

Some people (not you) make it way more complicated than it has to be. I had a friend who did all the stuff himself... got married and suddenly expected his wife to do all the housework and cook even though she also had a full-time job. I remember saying to him "what the fuck dude" because I knew he was capable of doing it all and since they both worked full-time, it felt like dividing stuff equally made sense... but he tried to have traditional roles and their marriage didn't last because he was making problems where there didn't have to be any.

EDIT: unrelated... I rewatch Supernatural episodes all the time... so while I promise you I'm not flirting with you here... you'd get a lot of pre-credit for being a fan of that show in my book!
It's one of my favorite shows! It's a comfort
As for the idea of having children, it's worth noting that autism is inheritable. This means that children of a parent with ASD and their descendants have increased chances of getting this disorder. I think, a possible future father deserves to be informed of such risks.
Honestly I wish my parents didn't have me. It looks like it didn't affect my sisters that much and they are both functioning people. But not me
 
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Hello. My whole life I've been afraid of marriage and children. Turns out I'm autistic female. I struggle very hard to cook meals for myself, or care for myself when I'm sick, or learn how to do a job. Basically I'm learning disabled but I'm functioning enough. I just suck really really bad. The expectations of a woman to be a wife-
Cook good, clean good, organized budget, organize mental load, and just handle childcare I struggle too much and my mind shuts down. I hate it. I wish there was medicine that can fix my bandwidth to do everything and learn how to cook really good and everything. I'm very behind.
So here's the question, knowing this, would you be okay with a woman like this being your wife?
There is a man who has shown interest in me but I'm afraid of being such a failure of a wife or mother, that I can't let myself date him. I honestly feel like a child.


I'm an autistic man, and i find myself to be highly dysfunctional in society as it exist, even if i can socially mask to appear normal. I believe that for the vast majority of autistic people, we are made dysfunctional and functionally disabled in a society that works against our needs at every turn and imposes expectations on us that our brains can't easily conform to without being incredibly exhausting. The act of Socially Masking to conform to neurotypical communication patterns on a daily basis can easily cause an autistic person to become incredibly burnt out if not go into a full shut down, which can last for years.

It sounds like autistic shut downs is a major part of what you have experienced. You can't stand social expectations that are essentially impossible for you to conform to, and people constantly misunderstand you anyways, and so you give up.

Being an autistic woman, you also experience misogyny, such as toxic gender expectations that you also cannot conform to. so its a double whammy, you struggle with any form of socialization to begin with, and yet are expected to conform to patriarchal norms and neurotypical norms.I am a strong believer in abolishing gender roles, and not relegating anyone to any specific task. I think people should do what they like to do and that all relationships should be built on mutual respect and reasonable boundaries. Women and Men should be free to do what they want without being harassed for "not conforming" gender norms.


My view is that autism is not the problem, its oppressive social norms that force people to "Be" a certain way, regardless of their needs that is the problem. It's a society that primarily relegates human value relative to how much someone "contributes" to a corporate society that constantly reproduces the same marginalization, patriarchy, bigotries and exploitation.

I say that we need a society where everyone can exist with dignity by default, where all human needs are met, and people are accomodated for relative to their specific needs. All toxic social expectation should be abolished. When people are allowed to thrive independently of other peoples expectations, people can actually find out what their passions are, and to develop those, and find their own sense of purpose for themselves.


As far as what would be an ideal partner for me:

for me, i don't really care about how "functional" someone is relative to society, or to toxic expectations. What i care about is someone who is highly relatable, compassionate, intelligent, really hates injustice and the suffering of others, roughly has principles similar to myself, and perhaps some other common interest. I would want someone to be comfortable with themselves regardless of social expectations, and not feel bound to these social expectations.

So while i don't really know you personally, i wouldn't judge you based on the things you mentioned. I wouldn't care about what you can "provide", It would come down to personality and interest for me. While i do think a healthy relationship does involve people doing what they can to help maintain things, i don't believe in keeping tabs, and i especially don't believe in "transactional" relationships. If someone has specific desires in a relationship, they should state those things early on, so people don't want their time trying to build a relationship with someone with different priorities.

if priorities, personality compatibility and interest match, both people have strong mutual respect and can communicate effectively with each other, that's what matters. so Communication and compatible goals are pretty much essential to any relationship.


I hope this helps!
 
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From an older guy perspective, I believe there is the proverbial "lid for every pot", etc. The key is to be yourself so whoever you get into a relationship with knows what to expect. Cooking, cleaning, etc. is not something I looked for when I started dating my now-wife. She was more of a corporate type. For me, it mostly comes down to whether I want to be around her or my daugther more than I don't - and the answer has "mostly" been yes :wink: Love means different things to different people but I think Jorvak is dead-on when he discusses
if priorities, personality compatibility and interest match, both people have strong mutual respect and can communicate effectively with each other, that's what matters. so Communication and compatible goals are pretty much essential to any relationship.

Over many decades of infatuation, lust, love, and everyting in between, I found that nothing is perfect, things are messy and the key to most succesful relationships simply comes down to being yourself - if the prospective interest cannot deal with that, then move on; there most certainly are a lot of people who will accept you.
 
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@Dejected 55 You have a beautiful mind and a good heart! Thank you for sharing your thoughts! : )

@EmpressDean @Dejected 55 spoke beautiful and true. I might echo some of his thoughts but I will try to add as well.

You are learning disabled and yet you still function. Most people function but not disabled and sometimes with help and yet they still make mistakes every now and then. They walk on even ground or downhill with some load and don't always do it properly. You're constantly moving uphill with so much more on your shoulders. Do you have any idea how amazing you are? Stop holding yourself down! Some of the things that you think you need to know or do you don't actually have to. You're not a puppet, you're a person. Be whoever you want to be! The right partner will not judge but instead accept, appreciate and help. With the right partner you should never be afraid, you should learn and work together. There is nothing wrong with you so there needs to be no medicine. You are a beautiful person! I would love to meet and spend the rest of my life with a woman like you! <3
 
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@Dejected 55 You have a beautiful mind and a good heart! Thank you for sharing your thoughts! : )

@EmpressDean @Dejected 55 spoke beautiful and true. I might echo some of his thoughts but I will try to add as well.

You are learning disabled and yet you still function. Most people function but not disabled and sometimes with help and yet they still make mistakes every now and then. They walk on even ground or downhill with some load and don't always do it properly. You're constantly moving uphill with so much more on your shoulders. Do you have any idea how amazing you are? Stop holding yourself down! Some of the things that you think you need to know or do you don't actually have to. You're not a puppet, you're a person. Be whoever you want to be! The right partner will not judge but instead accept, appreciate and help. With the right partner you should never be afraid, you should learn and work together. There is nothing wrong with you so there needs to be no medicine. You are a beautiful person! I would love to meet and spend the rest of my life with a woman like you! <3
I'm just really upset. I live in this culture and church where the women cooks and raises kids but I feel like because I struggle in those things and taking care of myself how could I possibly take care of someone else? I was hanging out with this guy yesterday, and I tried so hard to socialize but I felt like I was falling flat. I honestly don't get why he even likes me.
 
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It's one of my favorite shows! It's a comfort
I know this is not the topic of your post... but Supernatural is one of my all-time favorite shows... and it is the most compatible one with my societal issues.

It is a rare show where the main characters do not have consistent romantic entanglements. So many shows I watch and like always have relationship issues woven into things... and I don't like those parts of the shows because they hit me where it hurts given my life.

Supernatural, though, was about brothers... who were always there for each other. They fought and it was often a hard life... they lost both parents and lost many friends... but they also had good friends who were always there when they needed a hand. It's about monsters and magic and all the fun stuff... but it's also about true family... and genuine love of that family. Every episode drives that home even if it is subtle... and while the boys did sometimes talk of dates or love interests... that was not the story... and it was a small part... and that drama wasn't at all part of the show. It made it easy for me to watch and rewatch and not have to worry about getting depressed being reminded of my life's failings. I could get lost in their world and enjoy the experience. That's rare.

I wonder if on any level, conscious or otherwise, that drew you to the show as well?
 
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@Dejected 55 You have a beautiful mind and a good heart! Thank you for sharing your thoughts! : )

@EmpressDean @Dejected 55 spoke beautiful and true. I might echo some of his thoughts but I will try to add as well.

You are learning disabled and yet you still function. Most people function but not disabled and sometimes with help and yet they still make mistakes every now and then. They walk on even ground or downhill with some load and don't always do it properly. You're constantly moving uphill with so much more on your shoulders. Do you have any idea how amazing you are? Stop holding yourself down! Some of the things that you think you need to know or do you don't actually have to. You're not a puppet, you're a person. Be whoever you want to be! The right partner will not judge but instead accept, appreciate and help. With the right partner you should never be afraid, you should learn and work together. There is nothing wrong with you so there needs to be no medicine. You are a beautiful person! I would love to meet and spend the rest of my life with a woman like you! <3
m also from a Russian orthodox community so you can imagine how roles are and I feel upset that I can't fit in those roles. I think the only reason I would want to get married right now is to just have a friend to do things with since my sisters don't really like me and I'm always alone. I just hate the thought of someone calling me weird or boring. I've been left out my whole life so it's been a lonely one
I know this is not the topic of your post... but Supernatural is one of my all-time favorite shows... and it is the most compatible one with my societal issues.

It is a rare show where the main characters do not have consistent romantic entanglements. So many shows I watch and like always have relationship issues woven into things... and I don't like those parts of the shows because they hit me where it hurts given my life.

Supernatural, though, was about brothers... who were always there for each other. They fought and it was often a hard life... they lost both parents and lost many friends... but they also had good friends who were always there when they needed a hand. It's about monsters and magic and all the fun stuff... but it's also about true family... and genuine love of that family. Every episode drives that home even if it is subtle... and while the boys did sometimes talk of dates or love interests... that was not the story... and it was a small part... and that drama wasn't at all part of the show. It made it easy for me to watch and rewatch and not have to worry about getting depressed being reminded of my life's failings. I could get lost in their world and enjoy the experience. That's rare.

I wonder if on any level, conscious or otherwise, that drew you to the show as well?
Yes that's why I love supernatural. The family bond I always wished to have with my sisters. To be there for each other and not put me down and tell me how lazy I am and other things. I never felt like I had family, but always alone. Those family things I saw other people have-bbqs, vacations, camping, my parents never tagged me along and so I went majority of my life alone. Even friends excluded me. I try so hard but I fall up so short. I just wanted to belong but I feel so outside. My own cousins who I thought I could be family with, excluded me at some point
 
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Dejected 55

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I hear you. I've always felt like I'm on the outside looking in... when people did appear to like me, it often was for something they wanted in the moment and were willing to exploit my nature. Friends would only want to be with me when their better, more interesting friends were unavailable. Eventually I decided friends were not a thing for me. I held out hope for a romantic partner until very recently... but that's clearly not happening either.

It's also true, though, that whatever you think your "failings" are... a lot of people just don't want genuine deep connections with anyone. I look around and see people in relationships and, yes, it makes me sad for what I never have... but I look harder and I see they aren't really in love either. They go through the motions and exploit each other and are surface-level relationships at best most of the time. Every now and then I think I see a real one... but most of the time, others aren't in meaningful relationships either.

Some settle I guess... but far too many just don't want real in their lives. That frustrates me as much as anything... If I wasn't good enough I could maybe get better... but I think the truth is, it doesn't matter... I could be the best... but people don't want real. They want transactions and to exploit and use and are selfish for their own needs. And that's worse because it means there's nothing I can do to make it work.

I know this is a mixed bag. I'm not sunshine and rainbows... but I can assure you, it's not your fault even if you think it is. If you think you are with someone who likes you, give it a chance. Be conscious of being exploited, to be sure, but believe it is possible until you have a reason not to believe. There are some real people out there and maybe you found one. IF you have found one, then all the things you think are flaws in you will be things either he doesn't care about OR perhaps loves you for the totality of you, flaws and all. That's how it should work anyway.
 
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You should go try. I hope you two develop a wonderful long-term relationship.
 
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I would struggle, personally, to be involved with someone with the traits (or lack of) that you described.

I would need my partner to be making a contribution in those areas as I would just crumble taking on that level of responsibility for someone else. My girlfriend has ADHD and, sadly, there's already a parent/child dynamic. She does her best and I love her but I do find myself getting exhausted prompting her to do certain things and having to mitigate the ripple effects of her impulsivity.

I would say, if you meet someone, don't mask your condition. Be up front as that'll save heartbreak and problems down the line. He'll know then what he's signing up for. Also, plenty of people out there are happy to take the cognitive and physical burdens on in a relationship. Relationships are, in the end, an exchange of value so they'll get their portion one way or another.
 
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These are very traditional views of what a woman should be. Do you work? If so, then how would it be reasonable to put all the burden of house upkeep on you? That doesn't sound like an equal partnership at all. A good partner should be aware of your disability and help accommodate you.
 
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I'm just really upset. I live in this culture and church where the women cooks and raises kids but I feel like because I struggle in those things and taking care of myself how could I possibly take care of someone else? I was hanging out with this guy yesterday, and I tried so hard to socialize but I felt like I was falling flat. I honestly don't get why he even likes me.

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m also from a Russian orthodox community so you can imagine how roles are and I feel upset that I can't fit in those roles. I think the only reason I would want to get married right now is to just have a friend to do things with since my sisters don't really like me and I'm always alone. I just hate the thought of someone calling me weird or boring. I've been left out my whole life so it's been a lonely one

I .. understand. I can imagine. I know what you're talking about. Not too long ago things were not every different in these parts. But that is someone else's past or present, it doesn't have to be your present as well. I mean it can be if you wanted to but it also can not be.

Almost everyone I know or see epic fails at raising children. See where our society is! Do you think people took care of their children properly? Don't look at them for guidance, look inward! You could have a lot more to offer and teach then you think. You could also learn together. A child's mind is magical, they see things as they are and they are curious, things which have been erased in adults.

When you hang out with a guy don't force anything! Be yourself! Let things flow. It's fine to speak about small things, stupid things or big things or whatever goes through your mind. There are no rules. Just be honest! You don't have to be perfect, to be awesome. I would rather meet an honest flawed woman then a lying perfect one. And let him speak as well, you don't have to do everything. Listen, think, reply, repeat. : )

You don't have to get married to have a friend. A friend will stay with you and be there for you whenever you need them without being married to you.

I'll come back.
 
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You asked "would you be okay with a woman like this being your wife"... Yes.

I've been married for decades. The description you outlined of the expectations of a wife are far above what I've experienced or seen for the most part. Go on the date! See how it goes. Be honest about who you are, and at the same time don't put yourself down. If the date turns into a disaster that's ok too, at least you'll gain experience.
 
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Cook good, clean good, organized budget, organize mental load, and just handle childcare
Why are you trying to force yourself into such a restrictive gender role when you're autistic? Of course that's going to be hard for you if that's your goal. You need to find a relationship balance that works for YOU, and don't settle for less. That's going to disqualify a lot of people, but so is any relationship preference. Everybody has different wants and needs, and I think you're really diminishing your value as both a person and as a partner by saying you're bad because you don't really fit into this one very specific type of relationship. You're so much more than that.
 
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my sisters don't really like me and I'm always alone. I just hate the thought of someone calling me weird or boring. I've been left out my whole life so it's been a lonely one
Don't mind what others think about you! Listen only to people who care, they will offer honest opinions free of envy.

I'm sorry you've been left alone. If you ever need to chat to someone feel free to reach out. I'm around still .. sadly.
 
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