Aren't you afraid of not existing forever after you ctb?

[Daystavro]

I mean that's what scares me the most about ctb.
That death is eternal, being dead forever.
Not for a trillion years.
Not for a quintillion years.
For EVER.

 

[Anon1337]

I won't know that I'm dead. We will all die eventually, it's inevitable. Death is something that we all have to accept. Some people prefer to speed up this inevitable process. I'd prefer not to exist than live a miserable existence.

 

[Schopenhauer]

Even if you don't ctb now, you'll die eventually. 50 more years is nothing compared to eternity. This is no reason to fear death.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Presumably it's oblivion, so there's nothing to be afraid of. Just as you weren't afraid before you were born.

What scares me is if I'm wrong on that, because if there's some type of afterlife where we're penalized or forced to reexamine ourselves or whatever, that would suck. It's quite a popular thing now to believe in reincarnation with a whole body/life selection process, along with lessons to learn, ongoing karmic issues, amnesia at birth etc.

And that's a belief system in a millenial world where everything's softer and more tolerable and nobody's yelling at you - it could of course be far worse.

It's weird, because a person comes off as naive if they believe in any of that, yet if we're wrong and there is this whole shebang after death where things are far from rosy, then that's quite the price to pay.

That's what makes me hesitant to leave this life, not there being nothing after this. Looking back on the last 15/20 years, I'd have been objectively better off shaking off this mortal coil all those years ago. With the caveat that there really is oblivion, of course.

 

[bigj75]

No Existence = No Suffering

 

[wxtyubidi7y]

My fear is that I might live for many decades yet and die of natural causes...

 

[Voldmort]

that's what I want

 

[Daystavro]

No Existence = No Suffering

Even if that non existence is eternal?

 

[Daystavro]

that's what I want

To not exist and be unconscious for eternity?
Again you all have to realize and understand the concept of eternity.
It's not 100 trillion years.
It's forever and ever, it has no end.
A 100 trillion years is not a drop in the ocean oven compared to eternity.

 

[GiveMeNovacaine]

Even if you don't ctb now, you'll die eventually. 50 more years is nothing compared to eternity. This is no reason to fear death.

Not if they discover the cure for aging in our lifetime.

 

[Sasha]

I mean that's what scares me the most about ctb.
That death is eternal, being dead forever.
Not for a trillion years.
Not for a quintillion years.
For EVER.

I used to be. Not anymore, Idc if death is the end, you wouldn't know. I'm more scared about living forever.

 

[Limbo]

Did you really have to make another exact thread about this? Thats a bit rude. I might have to start ignoring you

 

[Voldmort]

To not exist and be unconscious for eternity?
Again you all have to realize and understand the concept of eternity.
It's not 100 trillion years.
It's forever and ever, it has no end.
A 100 trillion years is not a drop in the ocean oven compared to eternity.

It's not hard for me to stop existing. I no existed before I was born, so I do not care if it will be the same when I die.

I think living after death may be your ambition, I particularly do not think life is anything but a biological and physico-chemical process.

 

[bigj75]

Even if that non existence is eternal?

I have no idea what happens after death. But where I'm at now is hell so I don't care at the moment if non existence is eternal or not.

 

[lv-gras]

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[Daystavro]

It's not hard for me to stop existing. I no existed before I was born, so I do not care if it will be the same when I die.

I think living after death may be your ambition, I particularly do not think life is anything but a biological and physico-chemical process.

You say it's not hard for you to stop existing.
Even if that means you will stop existing for all eternity.
Again you need to realize that this is not a finite time period with an end, it is infinite time.

And like I said in a different thread, the time of your non existence before you were born was finite, meaning it had an end , when you were born.
it might have been 983634485963536474847364859474646474848494847474748484949484747474748484849494848999 trillion years, but it eventually ended when you were born.

This time after you die it is infinite meaning that even after 9984847338393839392775957463536474748847464537374848474747484849474736363747484948474646474747474747464y5757575757575656575757575756463637474848484757575758855757575758 trillion years, you are still going to be dead.
And what is that number compared to eternity? Not a drop in the ocean even.

 

[Voldmort]

You say it's not hard for you to stop existing.
Even if that means you will stop existing for all eternity.
Again you need to realize that this is not a finite time period with an end, it is infinite time.

And like I said in a different thread, the time of your non existence before you were born was finite, meaning it had an end , when you were born.
it might have been 983634485963536474847364859474646474848494847474748484949484747474748484849494848999 trillion years, but it eventually ended when you were born.

This time after you die it is infinite meaning that even after 9984847338393839392775957463536474748847464537374848474747484849474736363747484948474646474747474747464y5757575757575656575757575756463637474848484757575758855757575758 trillion years, you are still going to be dead.
And what is that number compared to eternity? Not a drop in the ocean even.

well, i dont care

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

They now estimate 200 billion people have lived and died on this planet, death comes to us all and there is nothing that you or i can do about it, if death is eternal oblivion then i guess nothing ever mattered, and if thats the case it doesent matter how, when, what for, you die.

This site ,almost hysterically ,reminds me of what a god must feel if there is one, why would i want to get close to someone who i know is just going to die?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Mark twain quote

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25647-i-do-not-fear-death-i-had-been-dead-for

 

[Circles]

It may be overwhelmingly scary but it beats the alternative: living forever in this world, in this same life. Now would you really want that? And considering how you're suicidal now in this life would you really want to live like this forever? Either way an eternal life or eternal oblivion will not be compatible for beings who won't experience it or even be able to comprehend it. Of course it doesn't sit well with conscious beings who are scared of both unknowns and are bounded by time and death. We are literally incompatible with the nature of eternity and it's all out of our control. Whatever happens happens I didn't make the rules, none of us did, but we can find solace in that once you are dead you won't even be consciously aware of anything or have the ability to grasp how much time passes. Think about going asleep and the time it takes you from start to finish until you wake up. Sleep zooms past the time and we aren't even arare of it. Now extrapolate that but with eternity, it'll be like sleep zooming pass millennia without even noticing it.

 

[Daystavro]

Mark twain quote

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25647-i-do-not-fear-death-i-had-been-dead-for

Look at how I replied to Voldmort in post #16 in this thread to see my answer to why the "I was dead before I was born" argument is not really true.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Look at how I replied to Voldmort in post #16 in this thread to see my answer to why the "I was dead before I was born" argument is not really true.

We hadent existed forever before we got here, it is reasonably to assume given an infinate amount of time we will exist again.

 

[Circles]

Even if that non existence is eternal?

YES!

 

[No Future]

It's a bit odd if a suicidal person wants to cling on to consciousness beyond death. To what end? Why fear something you cannot acknowledge or fear when it has occurred?

Do you think dolphins ponder their own attachment to sentience, shallow as it may be? What gives us the right to purpose beyond any other living being? Not a damn thing.

I worry more about paying the bills than the prospects of my corpse. We're sentient, fleshy light bulbs - something switches us off or we burn out. It's not complicated; it's not profound.

 

[Daystavro]

It may be overwhelmingly scary but it beats the alternative: living forever in this world, in this same life. Now would you really want that? And considering how you're suicidal now in this life would you really want to live like this forever? Either way an eternal life or eternal oblivion will not be compatible for beings who won't experience it or even be able to comprehend it. Of course it doesn't sit well with conscious beings who are scared of both unknowns and are bounded by time and death. We are literally incompatible with the nature of eternity and it's all out of our control. Whatever happens happens I didn't make the rules, none of us did, but we can find solace in that once you are dead you won't even be consciously aware of anything or have the ability to grasp how much time passes. Think about going asleep and the time it takes you from start to finish until you wake up. Sleep zooms past the time and we aren't even arare of it. Now extrapolate that but with eternity, it'll be like sleep zooming pass millennia without even noticing it.

You are right but the only solace I take from death is that we are all in this boat together.
Yes I'll be dead forever, but billions of others are going to be dead forever with me.
I imagine it like a giant dark room with very faint blue light(like a dark server room) with air conditioning and with billions of comfy beds and duvets and we all sleep together forever.
Each one of us in his bed.

 

[Trashcan]

Not at all. The idea of eternal and permanent oblivion brings a sense of relief and comfort. What scares me is death not being permanent or there being some kind of conciousness after our death.

 

[Daystavro]

It's a bit odd if a suicidal person wants to cling on to consciousness beyond death. To what end? Why fear something you cannot acknowledge or fear when it has occurred?

Do you think dolphins ponder their own attachment to sentience, shallow as it may be? What gives us the right to purpose beyond any other living being? Not a damn thing.

I worry more about paying the bills than the prospects of my corpse. We're sentient, fleshy light bulbs - something switches us off or we burn out. It's not complicated; it's not profound.

Listen it's only natural given our intelligence that we will ask those questions.
I am sure if dolphins had our capacity to think, they would askthe same questions I am raising here about eternity and the scaryness of not existing for all eternity.

 

[Circles]

You are right but the only solace I take from death is that we are all in this boat together.
Yes I'll be dead forever, but billions of others are going to be dead forever with me.
I imagine it like a giant dark room with very faint blue light(like a dark server room) with air conditioning and with billions of comfy beds and duvets and we all sleep together forever.
Each one of us in his bed.

Good point. The real problem I think is the terminology people attach onto things like death=eternal oblivion. Sounds scary I'm sure to some. Death=sleep, there now is that really so bad? Especially never having to wake up feeling like shit in a shitty world and no nightmares to interrupt it. The lack of anything is what I'm fascinated with more than being dead with billions of other humans. Sounds claustrophobic.

 

[No Future]

Listen it's only natural given our intelligence that we will ask those questions..

I think we weave fairy tales and horror stories in spite of our intelligence, to be completely honest.

It's comforting to indulge in faith, hope and naivety, or ideas of cloud palaces, spirits and prizes to be won - but that's just conditioning from years of stories and different cultures we were blessed/cursed with the ability to interpret.

Notice how every devout, religious person thinks their end game and outcome will be the correct one? It helps give meaning to a post-game, looming unknown, but we're not entitled to any meaning beyond this.

The intelligence to ponder such a thing - to be scared of it - is a nuisance and an unfortunate staple of the human condition. We're petulant children, that believe we deserve more because we're atop this planet's food chain. Nothing special about us - but that's reassurance for me.

Death doesn't need to be melodramatic; but I completely understand that it is, because feelings. I don't look down on anyone for it. Completely natural. In my own way, it scares me too.

 

[zadig777]

u might be afraid,but its against the odds that there will be something than just blank sleep without dreaming