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whyyyyyyyy

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Suicide is just one of those ideas that will never receive validation. It's taboo to affirm it, even if many people actually do sympathize, because if we made it culturally acceptable to suicide, people would over do it. Therefore, it's set up so that if you want to kill yourself, you have to be driven enough to do it in spite of finding near zero affirmation from mainstream culture. You have to want to do it in spite of receiving no confirmation that your feelings are well place.

It is actually true sometimes, that somebody's life can be saved and is worth saving, and they really are just going through a tough time. Maybe this would take more effort than just committing suicide. Let's say suicide was totally acceptable and provided just as easily as any basic mental health support. Wouldn't that be problematic? Everybody would just kill themselves all day. Then what?

Another cultural reason for never encouraging suicide, even though most would agree it's probably a fine idea in some cases, is that people don't want responsibility. Let's say people were just recommending suicide on the regular and we accepted this socially. Imagine the complications this might cause? Think about the problems of people killing themselves just because someone told them to. The suicide will kind of have occurred because of the person who suggested, instead of just by the person who wanted to die. The family of that person might be furious at the person who suggested suicide, because they believed he was still able to be saved. Also, if you recommend it to people, when the person does it, it's no longer entirely their own move, it becomes partially influenced by someone else, which corrupts the integrity of suicide, which should really be a deeply personal judgment call that only the individual can make for themselves, from their own subjective perspective, standing in their own shoes. Anything else becomes questionable.

As a compromise between a full on open and compassionate stance towards suicide, which would be problematic, and the apparent general policy of making it a taboo, I believe, anecdotally, that people who care for each other drop subtle hints to individuals who are struggling, to lovingly nudge them toward it as a viable option, and that it's okay. But if it's not subtle, then it has too much risk of becoming a situation where it was another person's fault, and not just the individual's choice, so it's not good.

People shut up about suicide, say it's bad, because people will kill themselves anyway, might as well not add fuel to the flame and make it go out of control. It's like there's an unspoken barrier to entry for suicide. You have to want it badly enough to have the bravery to try it. If you have been brainwashed and made afraid to do it, then you must be able to overcome that programming if you'd like to die. Death is available. We don't have state-sanctioned suicide booths because we don't need them. Death is available, the silent barrier to entry is you have to pull it off without the help of the state. Maybe that's reasonable. Death is already an accessible thing, maybe we don't need to make it extra accessible, maybe it's accessible enough, since we can actively discourage it and not support it and it still happens. Suicide is still something to be avoided if possible, after all, right? It's not wrong, but it's not the ideal outcome. By all means kill yourself if you want, but that shouldn't be what we promote or want for most people. We want most people to be happy and make things work. So we provide mental health support to help people take coping to its limits, and let suicide happen on its own.

At a broader level- given that we are currently in the thing known as life, anti-life attitudes are naturally unpopular. It's just the inherent fact of the matter, like the sky is blue. When you're in life, it is fundamentally unlikely to find sympathy for any anti-life sentiment. Because the forces that brought life about, and are keeping it about at this moment, are strong. They're the forces behind this entire thing, life. So that something that goes against basically everything else... naturally esoteric.

You just have to get over it, it sucks to not feel validated, as usually in life you can receive confirmation from others before doing something, but you have got to believe your own feelings totally in spite what the world says. You want to be on that level of thinking if you want to kill yourself.

Take solace in this though- the urge to die is not some obscure thing. I'm pretty sure it's secretly a core part of the human condition. So core that it's there without needing to be actively encouraged. Millions of people living and dead would sympathize perfectly, I reckon, but they're just not talking about it. It's just not the thing to do. There's actually some pro-suicide sentiment out there, even in mainstream media if you look with an analytical eye, but it has to be hidden enough that there's plausible deniability that it was put there intentionally. There's little suggestions everywhere. But the dominant narrative when you're in life is... life. It is what it is.

Take solace in that, since society will never hear what you have to say, if you eventually commit suicide, it will be done with dignity. We can allow people to influence are music taste, our personality, our beliefs. But you want suicide to be as much of your own idea as possible. If it's not truly self-determined, then it's almost not even suicide. You must commit suicide selfishly. It's a thing that no one can ultimately decide for you. Know this all fully, if you are considering doing it. Your personal, subjective judgment call, which only you can decide upon.

leap of faith that you're completely alone in. All of life you've been alone in this same way, but when you become suicidal, it provides a strong example of how people are each like universes of their own. You are totally alone. No one can really understand what you're going through and decide how you want to react, better than you. You have to be the shot caller. In this sense, the lack of support for suicide is actually helping you make an authentic choice. You have to really want it, and decide completely as your own authority. That's each individuals' job. You don't want to kill yourself merely because someone told you to.
 
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People would rather others live in misery so they can convince themselves they're a good person wanting to 'save people' rather than actually caring.
 
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They want to cut off our escape!
The doors from hell (this world) are shut from the inside!
 
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Forever Sleep

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Let's say suicide was totally acceptable and provided just as easily as any basic mental health support. Wouldn't that be problematic? Everybody would just kill themselves all day. Then what?

I wonder if it would make would- be parents think twice before they start reproducing- if they knew people's children who, or maybe already had their own prior children who committed suicide. They may think more carefully about what they are exposing their child to if it were easier to opt out of life. They might do more to help them if they say they are depressed or, show signs of it. Ignoring them wouldn't be wise if they could more easily kill themselves.

I actually see that as a positive. I don't think people do give child bearing and raising enough consideration. I suspect they are mostly focussed on creating something that will love them and give them purpose. If the very real reality was their children could choose to die before them and break their heart, they might actually contemplate whether they could give that child a reasonable enough life for it to want to stay in the first place.

That's not to say I believe it should be easy to suicide. I think it should be regulated certainly. I also think people should be offered support and have a waiting period. But- I do think it should be available to all adults of sound mind.

I don't think they would need to suggest or encourage suicide for it to take on though. I think people just knowing it was there as an acceptable option would be enough for it to be on people's radars.

It would absoloutely be irresponsible and cruel to suggest it to someone. Like people were trying to get rid of them! I suspect the most at danger of that would be our elderly. Already, there are numerous adverts on how not to be a burden to your family. Pay for your own funeral. Sort out your will. Ensure your family are taken care of. It is kind of concerning that could potentially leap to dying early to benefit and not burden them.

Of course, I doubt assisted suicide will ever come in for the majority. Certainly not the 'healthy' or working age. Parents and families would go nuts.

I do understand where you're coming from though. I'm not a big promortalist, nembutal for all fan. But, neither am I a fan of people being trapped here for years on the insistance that if they only try harder- they only try this new treatment, that things will get better.

Seeing as we can't use a crystal ball to see their future, all we can do is present before them their treatment options, the likelihood of recovery and then- let them make their decision. I don't think they should have to jump through multiple hoops of fire because it might help.
 
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itsgone2

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Most have never given it a thought. I can't see attitudes ever changing when most think of it as a temporary problem. Can you imagine though? Even if highly regulated everyone here would clear approval eventually.
 
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How do they get it into their heads someone is suffering extremely constant unbearable pain and wants to exit this hell anyway but they say no you cant buy nembutal, you can't buy use the of sarco suicide pod , you can't hire someone to assist u with suicide.

And they have most people accepting this injustice the stealing of everyone's most important rights the right to move away from suffering in a guaranteed painless instant way. And also the right to choose what u do with ur own body with ur own life

I wish I could pay someone to shoot me in the head with a gun. But they made that a crime. It would be guaranteed and painless. Why is this a crime if I'm suffering and want to die? it shouldn't be a crime for me to pay someone to shoot me the head 10 times with a gun because I want it , it's voluntary . i want this to die the most that i've ever wanted . but they no you have to remain a slave and suffer extreme torture.

they made everyone slaves . if u can't leave a place when u want to then ur a slave and a prisoner. and on top of this we all are going to die anyway making it more evil what the r doing

Imo Its about control why they made all gauranteeed suicide methods into crimes
 
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whyyyyyyyy

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I wonder if it would make would- be parents think twice before they start reproducing- if they knew people's children who, or maybe already had their own prior children who committed suicide. They may think more carefully about what they are exposing their child to if it were easier to opt out of life. They might do more to help them if they say they are depressed or, show signs of it. Ignoring them wouldn't be wise if they could more easily kill themselves.

I actually see that as a positive. I don't think people do give child bearing and raising enough consideration. I suspect they are mostly focussed on creating something that will love them and give them purpose. If the very real reality was their children could choose to die before them and break their heart, they might actually contemplate whether they could give that child a reasonable enough life for it to want to stay in the first place.

That's not to say I believe it should be easy to suicide. I think it should be regulated certainly. I also think people should be offered support and have a waiting period. But- I do think it should be available to all adults of sound mind.

I don't think they would need to suggest or encourage suicide for it to take on though. I think people just knowing it was there as an acceptable option would be enough for it to be on people's radars.

It would absoloutely be irresponsible and cruel to suggest it to someone. Like people were trying to get rid of them! I suspect the most at danger of that would be our elderly. Already, there are numerous adverts on how not to be a burden to your family. Pay for your own funeral. Sort out your will. Ensure your family are taken care of. It is kind of concerning that could potentially leap to dying early to benefit and not burden them.

Of course, I doubt assisted suicide will ever come in for the majority. Certainly not the 'healthy' or working age. Parents and families would go nuts.

I do understand where you're coming from though. I'm not a big promortalist, nembutal for all fan. But, neither am I a fan of people being trapped here for years on the insistance that if they only try harder- they only try this new treatment, that things will get better.

Seeing as we can't use a crystal ball to see their future, all we can do is present before them their treatment options, the likelihood of recovery and then- let them make their decision. I don't think they should have to jump through multiple hoops of fire because it might help.
I agree, we don't know how a suicide-neutral society would really look like, maybe it would work well. It really could. I guess I'm not taking a stance so much as inventing a rationale behind the way things are in the real world; and I guess the position is- Death is available, there's no need to make it even more available. Also from a causal perspective, it makes sense that the most pro-suicide people out there just kill themselves, thus making suicide a topic that's not very well represented. Meanwhile all of the most staunch anti-suicide people are live.

I agree with you there though, people being trapped forever is not cool, hearing nothing other than keep trying, never presenting "give up" as a valid choice. I am just guessing that, since it's considered hard to try, and easy to give up, people focus on preaching and discussing trying, and giving up is classified as like, decay and entropy, which are natural forces of the universe, and thus are seen as not needing to be promoted.

And then the people that wind up here have had "keep trying" rammed down their throats for so long that "stop trying to stay afloat, just sink and drown" comes as like a refreshing revelation. Again, I reckon the idea is that people should come to this idea on their own, the sentiment being that it's harder to create than to destroy. Which of course comes as a confusing slap in the face to the people here who are wrestling with the competing life and death drives, who are finding it much more difficult to destroy themselves than continue living. That's true.

Both living and dying take some amount of skill and help from others. That's why I reckon that dying is validated, but it's done in subtle ways as a cautionary measure. Not my stance, but my theory of the current structure surrounding this issue in society.

How do they get it into their heads someone is suffering extremely constant unbearable pain and wants to exit this hell anyway but they say no you cant buy nembutal, you can't buy use the of sarco suicide pod , you can't hire someone to assist u with suicide.

And they have most people accepting this injustice the stealing of everyone's most important rights the right to move away from suffering in a guaranteed painless instant way. And also the right to choose what u do with ur own body with ur own life

I wish I could pay someone to shoot me in the head with a gun. But they made that a crime. It would be guaranteed and painless. Why is this a crime if I'm suffering and want to die? it shouldn't be a crime for me to pay someone to shoot me the head 10 times with a gun because I want it , voluntarily

the made everyone slaves . if u can't leave a place when u want to then ur a slave and a prisoner. and on top of this we all are going to die anyway making it more evil what the r doing

Imo Its about control why they made all gauranteeed suicide methods into crimes

Yeah, these are all valid questions. Not sure why things are the way they are versus as you're describing. I guess people don't want to help other people die, they don't want to get involved. It ends up being a thing you're supposed to handle on your own. And suicide is available, just with pain and risk. You can't be a total dummy to pull it off, and you must also be relatively physically abled. Suicide is available, just not delivered on a silver platter, yet.

Very true of you to say. Seneca said "Unhappy fellow, you are a slave to men, you are a slave to your business, you are a slave to life. For life, if courage to die be lacking, is slavery." The definition of slavery is being stuck in a place you couldn't leave even if you willed it.

You're probably right to say that it's about control, the same reason they regulate the use of illegal drugs. If those drugs were legal, would it cause chaos? Maybe, maybe not. If death were super easy to have, would that cause excess death and/or chaos? Maybe, maybe not.

Suicide is legal though, you're free to do it. You have to overcome the difficulties in making it happen, but it is ours for the taking. Assuming you're not trapped in a cell with a strait with padded walls, you can go for suicide. What are they going to do, jail you, give you the death sentence?
 
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