Discussion why our society disapproves suicides

[meddle]

was thinking about why society doesnt approve suicides

society disapproves suicides because its a way out for the sick, the poor, and the exploited. if all the poor and sick kill themselves, then society will collapse. the rich and powerful will have no one to build their wealth and power on. thats why suicides are so frowned upon by society. therefore, religion and morality condemn them so

well if we ignore the fact that suicides are distressing for people, because a person must have a fate worse than death in order for him to kill himself. and if we ignore the fact of the grief of loved ones. then the main reason for the disapproval of suicide lies in the social

someone might have said it before me, idk. its pretty obvious after all. i just wanted to write down my thoughts

 

[behindtheveil]

Well said.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just so disgusting and unacceptable to me how we exist in this horrific prison anti-suicide world where humans do all they can to deny others the option of finding true peace from this existence that just causes harm and suffering that was imposed in the first place with no limit as to how much one can be tortured. Anti-suicide truly is just horrific, extreme terrible cruelty, denying the option to cease existing painlessly is such a terrible crime to me, it's so evil how these people want others to be tortured by this existence and feel the pain of existing for as much and as long as possible.

 

[Chronical_Suicidal]

It's simple: if suicide rates rise substantially, it would mean the collapse of society. How could governments maintain themselves without people to pay taxes? Enterprises without people to consume? It's understandable why anti-suicide politics exist. Do I agree with them? No, once I believe people have the right to decide whether they continue their lives or not.

 

[Macedonian1987]

Our society disapproves suicides because the capitalistic meat grinder machine needs its slaves. If we all start committing suicides at a massive scale capitalism as we know it will collapse.

 

[isthisit?]

Id argue otherwise. I would say that the main reason ctb is dissaproved of, is because a lot people get the rash urge to ctb whenever something really bad happens in their life.
If we normalised ctb, then the amount people who would ctb just because they were in a bad state of mind due to a relatives death or something similar would skyrocket, which I think we can all agree is bad? right?

 

[dragon.//]

Id argue otherwise. I would say that the main reason ctb is dissaproved of, is because a lot people get the rash urge to ctb whenever something really bad happens in their life.
If we normalised ctb, then the amount people who would ctb just because they were in a bad state of mind due to a relatives death or something similar would skyrocket, which I think we can all agree is bad? right?

Two things can be true at once

 

[slowlydying2mrrw]

was thinking about why society doesnt approve suicides

society disapproves suicides because its a way out for the sick, the poor, and the exploited. if all the poor and sick kill themselves, then society will collapse. the rich and powerful will have no one to build their wealth and power on. thats why suicides are so frowned upon by society. therefore, religion and morality condemn them so

well if we ignore the fact that suicides are distressing for people, because a person must have a fate worse than death in order for him to kill himself. and if we ignore the fact of the grief of loved ones. then the main reason for the disapproval of suicide lies in the social

someone might have said it before me, idk. its pretty obvious after all. i just wanted to write down my thoughts

Japan is the opposite just in case you didn't know. Suicide is actually revered.

To expand on this, the beliefs have more to do with religion, spirituality, and personal opinions on afterlife than opinions by "societal mainframe".

Catholicism/Christianity has embedded this notion of suicide as a sin, so this affects cultural beliefs of the soul.

However in Japan, since feudal times, suicide was seen as a Revere sacrifice. Bushido, their spiritual mainframe for Samurai code accepts honor in taking your own life in times of defeat. Sort of like a Death before Dishonor symbology.

 

[black_iris]

yeah its really disgusting that society does that. but if suicide was more accessible i think it would grow exponentially. because if all your friends, family, etc, all ctb then whats the point in sticking around? if it were accessible people would do it impulsively and that would cause a butterfly effect for everyone else. and when everything collapses, electricity goes out, no fresh food or clean water, that would wipe out another group of people who either decide its time to suicide if they aren't comfortable or because they die of dehydration or other things that come with the collapse of society.

also with the collapse of society, laws would go out the window. there would be a lot more murders and rapes which could also drive more peoples deaths.

i dont suicide would actually grow exponentially if it were more accessible because right now, everyone is still anti-suicide on a personal level, but if people felt their emotions more then maybe it would grow.

suicide should be more accessible though, but not available impulsively.

 

[LetMeOut67]

We know how much you'd like to die
We joke about it on our coffee breaks
But we're paid to force you to have a nice day
In the wonderful world we made just for you

We're sorry; we hate to interrupt
But it's against the law to jump off this bridge
You'll just have to kill yourself somewhere else
A tourist might see you, and we wouldn't want that
I'm just doing my job, you know
So, say "uncle," and we'll take you to the mental health zoo
Force-feed you mind-melting chemicals
'Til even the outside world looks great

 

[Bitch With An Apple]

Suicide also runs contrary to the notion that anything at all is mandatory. Existence has to be mandatory in order for anything that happens within existence to also be mandatory. This is why authority always either runs on the implicit threat of death, whether actively or passively mediated, or on the containment of available avenues to escape through death. It doesn't matter what the authority figure or the act of imposing authority is; that is always what's at stake when you trace the causal chain to its root. The former works when a population accepts that existence is mandatory, the latter is used on populations who no longer do. And unfortunately biology does us no favors. The intelligence that we have that allows us to unalive ourselves is purely conditional, and for the vast majority of living things existence IS mandatory. And that intelligence unfortunately extinguishes when we do, so the system self-selects for perpetual self-imprisonment.

I reckon that the people at the very top have no illusions about what money actually is. It's not something they have to sincerely believe in and fervently collect to escape their own enslavement or finance their own opulance. I doubt they care about the numbers. They probably recognize it for what it is: a collective delusion, that they are exempt from, that allows them to extend their own control over others. Capitalistic excess is a lie they sell to US, not to themselves (although they certainly get to have it). For them its meaning is both more clear and sinister: as long as we believe in its power, they get to be the prison wardens. They get to larp as god, Westworld style. That's why you hear about straight up deranged shit in the news, etc. They're playing a different game. And it must be so hilarious to them that they can throw something that is so devoid of value at us to make us do whatever they want. Because otherwise we die, or have the means to die taken away from us.

It isn't about production, it's about control for its own sake. Everything on this god forsaken fucking planet is about control. And when everything is optional there is no longer any control.

Probably a shitty, arrogant, poorly thought out post but I'm so sick of feeling guilty and ashamed over nothing.

 

[itsgone2]

I'm not sure it's still true they keep us to be wage slaves. It's no longer needed. The focus seems to have shifted to gdp and companies can increase value while cutting workers. It doesn't seem sustainable

So we hear more about working more years and maybe not retiring. And assisted suicide is being used in places. Perhaps it's shifting?

Not fast enough for us regardless

I think the average person enjoys life and disapproves because they think life is some blessing.

 

[Deepdense]

I believe it also has fear of death from others imprinting itself onto those who try.

 

[meddle]

Suicide also runs contrary to the notion that anything at all is mandatory. Existence has to be mandatory in order for anything that happens within existence to also be mandatory. This is why authority always either runs on the implicit threat of death, whether actively or passively mediated, or on the containment of available avenues to escape through death. It doesn't matter what the authority figure or the act of imposing authority is; that is always what's at stake when you trace the causal chain to its root. The former works when a population accepts that existence is mandatory, the latter is used on populations who no longer do. And unfortunately biology does us no favors. The intelligence that we have that allows us to unalive ourselves is purely conditional, and for the vast majority of living things existence IS mandatory. And that intelligence unfortunately extinguishes when we do, so the system self-selects for perpetual self-imprisonment.

I reckon that the people at the very top have no illusions about what money actually is. It's not something they have to sincerely believe in and fervently collect to escape their own enslavement or finance their own opulance. I doubt they care about the numbers. They probably recognize it for what it is: a collective delusion, that they are exempt from, that allows them to extend their own control over others. Capitalistic excess is a lie they sell to US, not to themselves (although they certainly get to have it). For them its meaning is both more clear and sinister: as long as we believe in its power, they get to be the prison wardens. They get to larp as god, Westworld style. That's why you hear about straight up deranged shit in the news, etc. They're playing a different game. And it must be so hilarious to them that they can throw something that is so devoid of value at us to make us do whatever they want. Because otherwise we die, or have the means to die taken away from us.

It isn't about production, it's about control for its own sake. Everything on this god forsaken fucking planet is about control. And when everything is optional there is no longer any control.

Probably a shitty, arrogant, poorly thought out post but I'm so sick of feeling guilty and ashamed over nothing.

wow. thats a cool thought. and you worded it out so well