Venting why isn't there a way to take ourselves out clean and easy- that even doctors offer?

[angelofbows]

If I have true autonomy over my body like the news claims, why can't they offer a way for ME to go? it wont effect them, it's my choice, and it doesn't make sense for them to force us to stay here, say you get hospitalized after an attempt? doesn't make sense.

Fucked up.

 

[Nightfoot]

Doctors have an ethical obligation to do no harm and many view euthanasia as harm even if the patient wants it.

 

[Vorty30]

Cuz you are government property that needs to pay expensive taxes.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Because they made it a crime to hire someone to help u with suicide.

It doesn't have to be a doctor anyone helping like with a gun , injecting me with fentanyl or morphine or nembutal would make it guaranteed

They put anyone like Dr kevorkian in prison for assisting with suicide.

They put d from n from d in prison for selling nembutal online. D is in jail now. Kenneth law also in jail now for selling sn and suicide kits

They also made nembutal and suicide booths like sarco a crime

 

[angelofbows]

Cuz you are government property that needs to pay expensive taxes.

oh right, I forgot, I'm one of their many paypigs! fuck them for everything, absolute fucks.

 

[Vorty30]

oh right, I forgot, I'm one of their many paypigs! fuck them for everything, absolute fucks.

I mean... Yeah, but all that aside - The only real advise I can give you regarding that is to try and not beat yourself over it or blame yourself over it or think too much regarding that. It's one out of way too many things that is simple that - Unfair in this world. Regarding CTB, I personally keep it a secret and plan to do it in secret. It's the only way to outsmart them I guess. It is still easier said than done I know and I would have loved to have an actual medical aid regarding CTB like Pegasos for example, but it is what it is. Cruel, unfair, brutal. If it wasn't those things, maybe I would not have been suicidal in the first place. :)

 

[Forever Sleep]

Would you're family be ok with someone giving you a lethal injection? I think the problem we face is that the majority of people don't want their loved ones killing themselves.

 

[angelofbows]

I mean... Yeah, but all that aside - The only real advise I can give you regarding that is to try and not beat yourself over it or blame yourself over it or think too much regarding that. It's one out of way too many things that is simple that - Unfair in this world. Regarding CTB, I personally keep it a secret and plan to do it in secret. It's the only way to outsmart them I guess. It is still easier said than done I know and I would have loved to have an actual medical aid regarding CTB like Pegasos for example, but it is what it is. Cruel, unfair, brutal. If it wasn't those things, maybe I would not have been suicidal in the first place. :)

CTB shouldn't be looked down upon, I don't understand why it is, it's literally just taking control over our own peace, and yet they try to stop it- hospitalize us, say that EVERY suicidal person needs help, no, it's a choice, just like choosing to go to bed every night, and the choice to have peace forever in your own afterlife shouldn't belong to anyone but YOU.

 

[hopeless302]

'cause some busy bodies will start petitions to get it shut down.

 

[angelofbows]

Would you're family be ok with someone giving you a lethal injection? I think the problem we face is that the majority of people don't want their loved ones killing themselves.

That too, everyone sees it in a weird light, it's just choosing light over dark. Having a place with no problems and no worries, having comfort forever. It shouldn't be anyone's choice but mine if I stay here or not. I just don't understand it.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That too, everyone sees it in a weird light, it's just choosing light over dark. Having a place with no problems and no worries, having comfort forever. It shouldn't be anyone's choice but mine if I stay here or not. I just don't understand it.

I do agree with you. It's like you say- there's this great importance placed on our liberty to choose our own path but the most fundamental decision of all- whether to even participate in life, is denied us.

I suppose the problem with it is that it affects lots of other lives but then, that's just the nature of being mortal and dying. It's something our parents ought to have considered and accepted when they had us- the possibility we may die before them. They don't/ won't though. I suppose it's a very strong natural urge to ensure the younger generation survives. (It seems to me like parents of suicides kick up the most fuss.)

I do take your point though- absolutely. It comes down to the question: 'Who owns your life?' Of course- some will say: God. So, that's another issue. But, we shouldn't all be expected to live according to someone else's beliefs.

Plus, the other issue we face is the equation of ideation with mental illness and diminished mental capacity. As in- it's ok to stop these people killing themselves because they're not in their right mind. I'd say that was one of the biggest stumbling blocks.

 

[angelofbows]

I do agree with you. It's like you say- there's this great importance placed on our liberty to choose our own path but the most fundamental decision of all- whether to even participate in life, is denied us.

I suppose the problem with it is that it affects lots of other lives but then, that's just the nature of being mortal and dying. It's something our parents ought to have considered and accepted when they had us- the possibility we may die before them. They don't/ won't though. I suppose it's a very strong natural urge to ensure the younger generation survives. (It seems to me like parents of suicides kick up the most fuss.)

I do take your point though- absolutely. It comes down to the question: 'Who owns your life?' Of course- some will say: God. So, that's another issue. But, we shouldn't all be expected to live according to someone else's beliefs.

Plus, the other issue we face is the equation of ideation with mental illness and diminished mental capacity. As in- it's ok to stop these people killing themselves because they're not in their right mind. I'd say that was one of the biggest stumbling blocks.

Telling someone who's sound of mind from someone who's very "diminished" in a sense should really be the only problem here, yes.

We need to drive up the normalization of death, it happens every day and is to be expected of life, once people recognize death, in most cases, outruns life in comfort by miles, maybe they'll be particularly more accepting? I wonder, why don't we teach children within schools about how death will pass them everyday? I'm sick of the control within the world, we own us.

 

[ALonelyFreak]

Well because there are a lot of 15 years old that got doubts and they try to ctb and then they regret or maybe even some psychotic adults. There was a story of a guy with bipolar that had no non bipolar hardship but hit rock bottom jumped down from a big bridge they saved him and after getting bipolar meds he regretted it and said he loves life. There are plenty of such stories. Someone got depressed took some pills got saved and regrets it now. They think that if you get proper medications and therapy you will regret your dark thoughts later. And if the therapy doesn't work on you it is either because it wasn't fit well (because therapy is like fuckin shoes that can just fit you) or because YOU weren't trying hard enough.

Cuz you are government property that needs to pay expensive taxes.

What about disabled folks who can't work much or at all and hence they only pay some consumption taxes and not job taxes?
Oh maybe thats the reason that if they do enable euthanasia they only enable it for people with end stage cancer who can't work for an hour and their treatment is expensive but they dont enable it for disabled folks who suffer a lot but can work for like 20 hours a week.

 

[Vorty30]

CTB shouldn't be looked down upon, I don't understand why it is, it's literally just taking control over our own peace, and yet they try to stop it- hospitalize us, say that EVERY suicidal person needs help, no, it's a choice, just like choosing to go to bed every night, and the choice to have peace forever in your own afterlife shouldn't belong to anyone but YOU.

I absolutely agree with you to a 100 and over that percent! It is in fact the ultimate freedom, and control as well as agency over your own life, desires, needs and the urge to seek the ultimate truth. However, this world is... Not a nice place. We are having wars against all bum fuck knows what, sooner or later you come to the realization that the pro lifer hit squads are out there to come seek us all out. They won't give up, but as I said, does not mean we have to either. And dude, the whole topic regarding their mental hospitals is... Devastating. Back in the day, they would send your arse to prison if you try and since it was that fucking insane with how they managed their coercion mechanism, they had to lower the "method" with mental hospitals at current day standard, which, is quoted as being a place worse than prison if you ask some of the patients at the place I was at back in the day. :/

Well because there are a lot of 15 years old that got doubts and they try to ctb and then they regret or maybe even some psychotic adults. There was a story of a guy with bipolar that had no non bipolar hardship but hit rock bottom jumped down from a big bridge they saved him and after getting bipolar meds he regretted it and said he loves life. There are plenty of such stories. Someone got depressed took some pills got saved and regrets it now. They think that if you get proper medications and therapy you will regret your dark thoughts later. And if the therapy doesn't work on you it is either because it wasn't fit well (because therapy is like fuckin shoes that can just fit you) or because YOU weren't trying hard enough.

What about disabled folks who can't work much or at all and hence they only pay some consumption taxes and not job taxes?
Oh maybe thats the reason that if they do enable euthanasia they only enable it for people with end stage cancer who can't work for an hour and their treatment is expensive but they dont enable it for disabled folks who suffer a lot but can work for like 20 hours a week.

Yeah, such disabled folks will probably be adding one more to their team, which is me included. And guess what? Even with aid by the nasty gov, I still will need to pay taxes like everyone else. The only difference here is they get to live a happy fucking life while I am crying out my retinas on a daily basis. Yeah.
Furthermore... If the euthanasia thing was actually that, a THING, we would not be having this conversation right now.
The more you force someone into your personal shit, the more you are playing with hell fire. As we all know, a dog cornered into a corner will sooner or later, do that - BITE.

 

[FuneralCry]

It really is all so terrible and dreadful, I see so much cruelty in how we exist in this horrific anti-suicide world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what even know it all just leads to decay and death anyway. I'll always see existing as just waiting to die anyway, it's just unnecessary suffering all for the sake of it, all I wish for is to never exist ever again. I'd never wish for the torturous and futile burden of existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel just to be tortured by old age, forcing humans to suffer in this existence they never even chose is always such extreme cruelty to me.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Telling someone who's sound of mind from someone who's very "diminished" in a sense should really be the only problem here, yes.

We need to drive up the normalization of death, it happens every day and is to be expected of life, once people recognize death, in most cases, outruns life in comfort by miles, maybe they'll be particularly more accepting? I wonder, why don't we teach children within schools about how death will pass them everyday? I'm sick of the control within the world, we own us.

I think they probably think anyone who is suicidal is mentally diminished though. That's the problem really.

I wonder if assisted suicide was legalised and more prevalent, whether attitudes would start to shift. Kind of a chicken and egg quandry. I think it almost needs to be here and legally approved. That way, people will have no choice but to adapt.

I suspect it will creep in but, only for a small demographic. People our governments would probably like to get rid of because they take more money than they put in. Just practically speaking- they must realise that smarty pants doctors extending our lifetimes are causing economic problems where we won't be able to keep all our elderly.

As for teaching children about death. I'm just not sure. I think children deserve to feel secure for as long as possible. As a child, there's not much we can practically do to prepare for death. I imagine it would terrify a child to be told it could so easily lose a family member and never see them again.

My Mum died when I was 3 actually. I got to know what death was pretty fast! Shortly afterwards, my Grandpa died and then, my Nana. I wasn't all that emotionally prepared for any of them! Even after I'd worked out what it was. I don't really think you can be. Maybe it's good to prepare a child if a death is looking imminent but, while everyone is healthy- I'm not sure it's great to worry them with the prospect.

Plus, no amount of words make it ok. I've heard most I imagine- They're in heaven now. You wouldn't wish them back with the pain they were in. You need to live and be strong/ happy for them now. Blah, blah, blah.

If it's more along the lines of- death is good. I'm just not sure really. Would we really buy it? It's hard not to need people in life then- it's hard to contemplate losing them. Maybe if we grew up in a totally different culture. I think we're almost trained to be selfish though!

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

I've never had the opportunity to discuss in real life with a person who supports abortion but not assisted suicide. I would genuinely like to know how such a person would sort that out, if they were willing to accept as a starting point (just for the sake of discussion) that human life (in any way shape or form) begins at conception. I know it can be a hot-button topic full of nuance and dilemma. But yeah, I don't really understand why we can't do like the old guy in the 1973 Soylent Green movie, the way he was able to go for a clean way out (well, basically, if you ignore the plot of the movie).

 

[ididnotconsent]

Because it's against the law, plain and simple. Doctors and medical professionals have made an oath to do no harm and will not risk losing their license or going to jail. Some of them might even agree with the right to die, but they can't doing anything about in unless the law changes.

Medical professionals will not even assist in state executions which is why the'yre so often botched by jail personnel with no medical training, who fail to even insert an IV properly. Change the law and medical professionals will start being of assistance.

Look up Jack Kevorkian and the shit he went through carrying carrying out euthanasia on his very sick patients in the 90's.

Would you're family be ok with someone giving you a lethal injection? I think the problem we face is that the majority of people don't want their loved ones killing themselves.

There are plenty of things your family might not want you to do. Have pre-marital sex, get a tattoo, not do a certain job etc, leave a certain religion etc. Adults do those things anyway. Who cares what your family thinks?