Discussion Why do kids, teenagers, drunk people, inmates succeed at hanging/CTB so easily?

[CloseFriendofCamus]

I have been reading news about hangings and suicides, and I noticed a pattern there....

12 year old girl hanged herself, 8 year old hanged himself, a middle aged woman hanged herself, an inmate hanged himself, a drunkard hanged himself and the list goes on....

None of them are rope experts or medically trained doctors easily able to locate carotids etc


Why do these people, despite the lack of carefully planned preparations, succeed easily and often at CTB?

I don't think they read this forum or several suicide books or binge on many resources...

They don't ponder the type of rope, knot type, length, technique

They don't spend time finding carotids, practicing partial

These people just... Succeed? Almost on instinct? On total impulse?

I know that not every attempt is a success and media reports only the successful attempts, but still, many succeed without obsessive and overly complex preparations....

I feel a bit jealous...

Hope it doesn't sound too terrible, it's a tragedy, but when I read news how a 13 year old girl or boy hanged themselves or some random inmate did so using bed sheets from a window bars, I feel like a dumbass, I feel inferior, I feel... So lacking. Like, a 12 year old girl without binging on tons of threads on this forum managed to do it, YET I can't?

I know CTB isn't a race, but when you meticulously study all possible suicide resources, browse actual suicide videos and pics online from gore websites, bother about every little detail, and then you see these people, especially children and teens, succeed without that much bothering, I just feel like crying, I don't know...

I feel like I suck so much that I can't even kill myself :(

 

[JamieJambo]

Listen Man I am exactly the same. I keep posting on here asking how to do Parital Hanging, but I can never get the answer. I dont know how to do it, I spend hours in vain looking for ways to do it, but cant find out how either.

I cant figure out how these people manage to do it so easily. I know that inmate example of the guy using the bed post and his sheets, and I think well fuck me that looks easy but then I try and can't

Same with celebrities who use belt etc

I just dont know how to do it

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Their desperation and adrenaline at the time makes it so they can somehow do it with relative ease. It is mind boggling, I agree.

 

[JamieJambo]

Their desperation and adrenaline at the time makes it so they can somehow do it with relative ease. It is mind boggling, I agree.

I think your right it might be determination
But for me, I dont understand how to put so much weight on my neck while I am standing on both feet?!

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I think your right it might be determination
But for me, I dont understand how to put so much weight on my neck while I am standing on both feet?!

I don't know. Honestly, hanging isn't a method I'd go with, but I understand if other methods are not accessible to you.

 

[Alex6216]

I dont know myself. I even replicated the way some dude hung himself and blacked out within 15 seconds, I only got a massive headache after being there for 1 minute straight

 

[BigG91]

I have been reading news about hangings and suicides, and I noticed a pattern there....

12 year old girl hanged herself, 8 year old hanged himself, a middle aged woman hanged herself, an inmate hanged himself, a drunkard hanged himself and the list goes on....

None of them are rope experts or medically trained doctors easily able to locate carotids etc


Why do these people, despite the lack of carefully planned preparations, succeed easily and often at CTB?

I don't think they read this forum or several suicide books or binge on many resources...

They don't ponder the type of rope, knot type, length, technique

They don't spend time finding carotids, practicing partial

These people just... Succeed? Almost on instinct? On total impulse?

I know that not every attempt is a success and media reports only the successful attempts, but still, many succeed without obsessive and overly complex preparations....

I feel a bit jealous...

Hope it doesn't sound too terrible, it's a tragedy, but when I read news how a 13 year old girl or boy hanged themselves or some random inmate did so using bed sheets from a window bars, I feel like a dumbass, I feel inferior, I feel... So lacking. Like, a 12 year old girl without binging on tons of threads on this forum managed to do it, YET I can't?

I know CTB isn't a race, but when you meticulously study all possible suicide resources, browse actual suicide videos and pics online from gore websites, bother about every little detail, and then you see these people, especially children and teens, succeed without that much bothering, I just feel like crying, I don't know...

I feel like I suck so much that I can't even kill myself :(

Sorry you feel this way

I guess it's time you start looking at other methods.

 

[FuneralCry]

When I hear of all the people succeeding with hanging, it makes it sound so easy but in reality it is very difficult. I do not know the answer, the fear of failure is what holds me back from attempting this method and it also seems like a difficult way to leave this world because of the survival instinct. No one should have to resort to methods like hanging in the first place, we all deserve the option of a peaceful exit at a time of our own choosing.

 

[CloseFriendofCamus]

Sorry you feel this way

I guess it's time you start looking at other methods.

I don't have any other means

 

[JamieJambo]

I don't have any other means

Let me know if you find a way

 

[Lullaby]

We don't really know how their last moments were, if they were in pain or discomfort. Even so, if they were dealing with so much emotional pain and torment, they probably didn't care and pushed passed it.

I was 12 when I first tried committing suicide, full suspension. I didn't care how it was going to feel, what was going to happen, the consequences; I just wanted to leave but my mother found me fairly quick.

Sometimes I wish I was young again because you really don't care or think when you're that age, you just want the pain to stop.

It's not your fault, and you're not doing anything wrong. I think for some people, we'll eventually get to that point. Hanging was originally what I was going to go with, but if I have the option to, I'd like to leave as peaceful as possible.

 

[BigG91]

Listen Man I am exactly the same. I keep posting on here asking how to do Parital Hanging, but I can never get the answer. I dont know how to do it, I spend hours in vain looking for ways to do it, but cant find out how either.

I cant figure out how these people manage to do it so easily. I know that inmate example of the guy using the bed post and his sheets, and I think well fuck me that looks easy but then I try and can't

Same with celebrities who use belt etc

I just dont know how to do it

I think partial hanging doesn't work on it's own unless accompanied by sedative drugs.
I feel if it worked a lot of people would have documented and studied it and since it's almost free everyone would have used the method as its supposed to be painless.

There are people who say it works but proof of that would be losing consciousness and living to tell the experience. I wouldn't say a person attempted partial if the person didn't pass out because it's more like they felt discomfort and aborted the attempt.

I guess the people who managed to CTB using partial may have been lucky and or beared the pain and went through with it because our bodies are definitely not going to allow us to CTB using partial hanging.

 

[JamieJambo]

Well on Youtube there is a video of an inmate who managed it using sheets and his bed post also you have robin williams who used a belt and his door... So people can do it

Just not me

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Do they even report the ones who AREN'T successful? The successful ones are a done deal newsworthy. If they resported all the ones who aren't successful, I highly doubt there would even be time for any other news. It would be a full-time endeavor to report unsuccessful attempts.

 

[sunny/omori]

I have been in that state of high distress that you can do things you normally wouldnt do. Most USA teenagers just take their parents gun and kill themself. You never heard of them but there is a silent suicide pandemic. They just report those of celebrities and sometimes children. And dont tell the whole story. They dont tell the pain they must suffer in order to ctb. In much cases there are also drugs involved.

 

[BigG91]

Well on Youtube there is a video of an inmate who managed it using sheets and his bed post also you have robin williams who used a belt and his door... So people can do it

Just not me

Well they are legends now and give us hope for Partial Hanging.

 

[deathbydragon]

There are far more failed attempts than successful ones, somewhere in the world, there's bound to be demographic outliers of people who succeeded.

News outlets report on the outliers because they get more clicks - the USA for example has 125 suicides per day on average, they pick and choose from that.

 

[Doombox]

I have been reading news about hangings and suicides, and I noticed a pattern there....

12 year old girl hanged herself, 8 year old hanged himself, a middle aged woman hanged herself, an inmate hanged himself, a drunkard hanged himself and the list goes on....

None of them are rope experts or medically trained doctors easily able to locate carotids etc


Why do these people, despite the lack of carefully planned preparations, succeed easily and often at CTB?

I don't think they read this forum or several suicide books or binge on many resources...

They don't ponder the type of rope, knot type, length, technique

They don't spend time finding carotids, practicing partial

These people just... Succeed? Almost on instinct? On total impulse?

I know that not every attempt is a success and media reports only the successful attempts, but still, many succeed without obsessive and overly complex preparations....

I feel a bit jealous...

Hope it doesn't sound too terrible, it's a tragedy, but when I read news how a 13 year old girl or boy hanged themselves or some random inmate did so using bed sheets from a window bars, I feel like a dumbass, I feel inferior, I feel... So lacking. Like, a 12 year old girl without binging on tons of threads on this forum managed to do it, YET I can't?

I know CTB isn't a race, but when you meticulously study all possible suicide resources, browse actual suicide videos and pics online from gore websites, bother about every little detail, and then you see these people, especially children and teens, succeed without that much bothering, I just feel like crying, I don't know...

I feel like I suck so much that I can't even kill myself :(

I could have written your post. I have the same frustration and aggravation. I know of an older woman and a teenage boy who hung themselves just somehow intuitively. And yet I just know I would be the one to fuck it up.

 

[°Celsuis_Caesar]

The more information we binge studying suicide methods the more we learn of the little things 0.1% thing that may happen like the rope breaking or something not working, While these people probably only saw what was in movies with hanging, so naturally they thought that was what happened; Quickly, and they are mostly right, While we people focus on everything that could go wrong. Or the news cherry-picks the successful attempts from the least successful (My two cents/opinion)

 

[Achlys]

Perhaps the ease with which the young and imprisoned ostensibly succeed is in fact because we don't hear about those who fail?

 

[Al Cappella]

What's not often mentioned is just how rare suicide actually is. It's less than half of one percent of the population in any given year. I think, if I recalled correctly, for every suicide there are 25 attempts that don't make it.

Now no one likes determinism, or to hear that if you don't have the genetic makeup that facilitates suicide, then you won't. Truth is, even in a suicide forum, the great majority don't complete.

I look at it like murder—very few in the population can do that, so why would suicide be different?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I don't know much about the hanging method because my method will be SN but I wonder if maybe being smaller and lighter like many of those children were actually increases the chances of success because they don't need as strong of a rope to get the job done. Then again though this doesn't explain the prison inmates doing it successfully. Maybe these kinds of cases do fail way more often but just don't get reported when they do.

 

[Nina1]

This is the most relatable thing I've ever read

 

[chocolatebar]

Do they even report the ones who AREN'T successful? The successful ones are a done deal newsworthy. If they resported all the ones who aren't successful, I highly doubt there would even be time for any other news. It would be a full-time endeavor to report unsuccessful attempts.

I thought the answer was quite obvious, but you were the only one mentioning it. There are statistics on success to failure ratio in suicide attempts and it shows that, for most methods, the failure is the most common outcome. Yet, these values are incomplete, because so many attempts aren't even notified.

 

[SadPsych]

Yeah I have to go tonight. I've been trying hanging for a few days but could never compress just my carotid arteries. Every time there is just this really bad pain in my head that feels like it's going to explode. I'm going to try it a few more times then I may just try ole reliable, the shotgun..

 

[its-about-time]

It's not usually hard to accomplish death. What's hard to accomplish is dying quickly with minimal pain or distress. Most here are concerned with the latter.

So yeah, you could hang yourself with damn near anything, long as all your weight is being supported by whatever's tied around your neck. You'll die, but it's not gonna be a quick or painless experience, probably more like being strangled to death while simultaneously feeling like your head is getting pulled off. We're over here trying to find some "perfect" way to die. Death is death.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I thought the answer was quite obvious, but you were the only one mentioning it. There are statistics on success to failure ratio in suicide attempts and it shows that, for most methods, the failure is the most common outcome. Yet, these values are incomplete, because so many attempts aren't even notified.

The initial question was rhetorical..............it was already known to me that they don't report unsuccessful attempts in the news, or wherever it is that you get your news from.

 

[Smart No More]

It seems pretty simple to me. They clearly put a rope up, put it round their necks and jump. It's not hars to successfully hang yourself. The jump is the hard bit. Partial is different but I'd say any young child managing partial will have done it and then probably struggled in vain to get out of it. For all the successes you read of there are many faliures too. You're kind of assuming the successful attempts you read of are absolut in making up the whole numbers but they don't. Also you mention a pattern but there isn't one. The only thing they have in common is they hanged. That isn't a pattern in the context you're asking.

Hanging/full suspension doesn't take meticulous planning if the conditions needed are at hand and chance says this will be the case for some people. Hanging is an opportunistic method of CTB. Those that spend time meticulously planning often don't manage to go through with it. This site has many accounts of this. People choose to do meticulous planning but it is not a necessity in being successful. Though it will improve the chances of success in certain cases.

A rope, tied around ones neck and an ancor point will result in death if you jump and can't touch the floor. There's no need of knowledge of where the carotid artery is. The rope and your body weight will find it through brute force.

Inmates don't do it sporadically. They do plan meticulously because it's the only way to do it in prison. Prison is a hellish place and suffering for some is unbearable. If you're being raped, beaten and robbed, have a drug habit you can't feed and see no end in sight you'll probably be pretty fucking determined. If you're also a nonce then yeah, you know that noose is your friend!

There's no pattern.

 

[HubbaHubba]

These people just... Succeed? Almost on instinct? On total impulse?

IMHO, when one lost all hope for an extended period of time, then they'll try anything. They don't care if hanging doesn't work... they just power through it and hope for the best.

 

[Efilismislife]

Full partial is 100% success it doesnt take too much learning. just hang yourself. It only takes gut

whats hard is partial