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What's your race? And does it matter when it comes to ctb?
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I had an uncle commit suicide when I was a kid. Don't know if that was a key factor in my future problems or not. I can't say I'm right, but I think whites have a larger suicide rate in the USA.
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i think culture and society have alot of influence and contribution toward ctb rates especially if society is built around overworking and lack of real care for the people involved, just a focus on productivity. Ive observed that being more prolific in societies like japan and SK as u mentioned, through having friends there and general reporting. im white, so i feel the culture is obvs different, but also race statistics tend to get muddled and unclear kinda globally. genes i think play a massive part, 3 generations back on each side of the family every person in my family has tried to or successfully ctb and that trend isnt stopping with me.
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I always feel and also often left behind as the only one that feels out of place in my peers and family as i feel out of aligned with the language and the culture of them
which is often due to my disinterest as a infant and my inability to absorb and handle two different languages with two different social standards
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I'm Asian and while a big part of my trauma stems from the hard ways of my Asian dad, my mom was pretty nice for the most part and I don't really think my race has anything to do with my suicidality. Even other Asians I know of got beaten way worse by their parents so I think I just happen to be a really weak and pathetic example of one. I also didn't even experience any real racism or culture differences because I grew up in a part of America where almost everyone else was some other type of Asian as well.
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I think it's just a combination of factors that is leading to the cause and perception of high rates in those places
i'm not so familiar with korea and their suicides rates, but i know in japan it's often point out to how much a stress wart of a culture that it's engulfed in
alot of people there are overworked (a term for it is called 過労死 or karoshi which is the term to describe death by overwork) and many young kids are often pressured to get high grades to secure themselves to a college or university (which is btw probably even worse than the way that they have to endure in high school)
the culture is often emphasized by collectiveness of putting others first before you and prioritize the work to get it done with others to meet the success and deadline
And it's often done in a way that would quite completely sacrifice the mental being of one person that wants time and break for themselves for them to show deference
for their Superiors and the company of many
And if you can kinda guess the result of people trying to please others and have unbalance to have relaxing periods for the sake of your work (and hell i would like to mention that the job market over there is ruthless, which is probably way worse than here in america) is often the drive for many folks there to commit suicide
Idk why, but off-the-boat Asians in America seem to not give any fucks about anything. Maybe they've just been through so much shit over there, nothing is shock to them here. At least the majority where I live seem like that.
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Indian here, we have lots of expectation to perform well and go abroad. That's the upper middle class I'm talking about. Population is too high as you know, cities are too crowded. Traffic is terrible. Pollution is high as everyone tries to save their last buck.
Jobs are hard to come by for an educated individual amongst tough competition for meagre salaries. Around 90% of the population are engaged in traditional work meaning not going to like a big company for work they will do agri or something else. It's quite hard for me believe cause only that 10% kinda pay direct taxes. Not exactly but you get the picture. Indirect taxes on fuel etc are high so that's that.
There isnt much room for mental illness in the society here. I'm just one of the cogs that needs to do its thing or get pushed out
I'm Asian and while a big part of my trauma stems from the hard ways of my Asian dad, my mom was pretty nice for the most part and I don't really think my race has anything to do with my suicidality. Even other Asians I know of got beaten way worse by their parents so I think I just happen to be a really weak and pathetic example of one.
Corporal punishment has decades of research pointing to it being bad, so feeling traumatized by your dad's actions isn't a sign of you being weak. It's expected. I had a friend who, when I was younger, talked about how whenever her mother would hit her she would go to her room and pray to God and ask him if he could tell her stop because it would her so much emotionally. She never hit her hard enough to cause bruising or to leave marks, but it clearly did hurt a lot psychologically. Abuse and maltreatment is very normalized amongst BIPOC households, so most people don't tend to notice or acknowledge their trauma. To add onto this, being dysfunctional as an adult is also, in some capacity, normalized. A good example of this is with drinking. Being a functional alcoholic is normalize in many parts of the world.
Along with that, people have different capacities for what they can psychologically handle, so something that might be traumatic for one person isn't necessarily going to be traumatic to another person. For example, I've witnessed my stepmother physically and verbally abuse my dad while trashing our apartment and I'm not traumatized. Meanwhile, I've seen people who have talked about being traumatized from witnessing their parents constantly getting in screaming matches. Everyone has a different threshold for what they can handle and there isn't anything wrong with that.
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I'm white. And in my exact situation. Maybe. I think if I was a different skin color I would've gotten help for what happened to me. I think people would've cared far more about the crimes committed against me. But because I'm white people just assume I had a good life and don't need to. Plus people could've prostituted me out there for their own interests.
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I'm mixed too, probably the most common one in American history. You shouldn't feel bad even if that was the case. What your parents did or didn't do doesn't involve you as your own person.
I'm Asian but born and grew up in Australia. Culture really does impact a lot. Many Asian parents having children due to societal expectations and treating them like puppets. Many of my Asian friends who have parents who have adopted more of a Western culture tend to be more inclusive, loving and happier than the first-generation immigrant parents from Asia like mine. From the expectations, lack of care of mental health, poor communication, abuse, etc.
This would be on a whole other level in Asia itself. I've heard from friends working in Asia like Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, China ,etc, that the working culture and expectations are crazy, you work 12+ hours a day and you are barely living to make ends meet. Its the same for their schooling and university, the competition and standards are just so high. That explains why so many Asians come to Australia to start a life here, whether its from university or work.
I don't think it's really common for other black people to die via suicide but we aren't really known as the group that gets the best healthcare out there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm white, with a long history of mental health issues in my family dating several generations. Several of them aren't even that distant and ranged from OD, hanging to rat poison.
I don't think my race has anything to do with my problems but more so my traumatic life and my genes. It's hard to be taken seriously though and I think that is because I'm white and because I have a "good life" on paper. Had psychiatrists telling me that, with the life I had, I could have been an addict now but yet I have a well paying job so I'm clearly not doing that badly.
Sick and tired of psychiatrists and for being blamed for actually having worked hard as fuck to get to where I am now. Literally put blood, sweat and tears into this miserable life to then be dismissed. People will only learn when they find me dead.
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I think it's practically all due to culture / Society what u believe and do.
What did u know at 1 day old, 1 week , 11 month, 6 months? Not much . All human infants do the same things so that's what evolution programmed in . Whatever the infant learns after being born which language which religion etc is taught to them the brain learns it. The brain is even learning at least 3 months before being born as the brain can hear the mothers voice and other sounds.
A human infant doesn't know that is them in a mirror . Only after 1 year and a half do human infants understand that Is them in the mirror. So it takes the brain about 2 years to finally figure out that is them in the mirror and to get A sense of self. That is learned 2 years to learn it . And about at least 6 years to understand what Death is . That Death is inevitable , permanent, universal, irreversible the permanent cessation of life.
Jeffrey Lockman of The University of Texas at Austin with colleagues at the University of Houston and Tulane discovered how touch and self-recognition relate.
Corporal punishment has decades of research pointing to it being bad, so feeling traumatized by your dad's actions isn't a sign of you being weak. It's expected. I had a friend who, when I was younger, talked about how whenever her mother would hit her she would go to her room and pray to God and ask him if he could tell her stop because it would her so much emotionally. She never hit her hard enough to cause bruising or to leave marks, but it clearly did hurt a lot psychologically. Abuse and maltreatment is very normalized amongst BIPOC households, so most people don't tend to notice or acknowledge their trauma. To add onto this, being dysfunctional as an adult is also, in some capacity, normalized. A good example of this is with drinking. Being a functional alcoholic is normalize in many parts of the world.
Along with that, people have different capacities for what they can psychologically handle, so something that might be traumatic for one person isn't necessarily going to be traumatic to another person. For example, I've witnessed my stepmother physically and verbally abuse my dad while trashing our apartment and I'm not traumatized. Meanwhile, I've seen people who have talked about being traumatized from witnessing their parents constantly getting in screaming matches. Everyone has a different threshold for what they can handle and there isn't anything wrong with that.
I suppose you're right that some people handle abuse differently, though it often feels like other Asians at least have received similar punishments to what I took and instead of being inept like me they still made it work and they got great lives as doctors or engineers to show for it. The reason I say I didn't have it relatively as bad is because only my father beat me and only when I got grades lower than a B. I knew another Asian kid who was once beat by both of his parents at the same time because he missed an extra credit problem on a test. He scored 107% but it wasn't enough for his parents. Last I checked from Facebook, this guy worked at Google, then Facebook itself, then retired at the age of 25 with enough money to support him and his parents for the rest of their lives. Oh yeah and he got married last year too. I'm not that close to him anymore but I'm sure if I asked, he'd say he was grateful for his parents pushing him all those years ago.
I am not condoning his parents' methods. Far from it. That example is cartoonishly hyperbolic and I wish it weren't real but even though it is real I still believe there are so many other members of all races who have been abused to near death and were still able to move past it. Me being unable to proceed in life has nothing to do with my race, just with me being useless and inept in general.
I do have a lot of fear from listening to my parents argue all the time to the point where I refuse to learn Mandarin Chinese because the language itself just reminds me of their yelling. Other Chinese people tell me this is ridiculous and I should just get over it and I could be so successful if I just learned Chinese but I just. Don't want to.
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I'm asian but I'd be suicidal regardless of what race I am. The issue for me is life itself and how life requires so much effort. This is true regardless of race
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I don't think it's really common for other black people to die via suicide but we aren't really known as the group that gets the best healthcare out there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm asian but I'd be suicidal regardless of what race I am. The issue for me is life itself and how life requires so much effort. This is true regardless of race
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