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JustBeingHere377

JustBeingHere377

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Once I only had homicidal thoughts when bullied but then they were replaced entirely by suicidal thoughts and selfharm. However recently I started feeling impulses to be violent against other people are well again :( Does this happen to anyone else? If yes then what's your advice to stop these thoughts? I'm scared asf to tell my psychologist about them
 
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abchia

abchia

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Aug 28, 2023
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I'm not sure if this is similar to you, and unfortunately i can't give advice.
For me i do have impulses to be horribly violent against other people, but most of the time it's not to the point where they completely die unless they're living a lovely lovely lovely life after impacting mine. i want to hurt some people so bad that all they can think about and feel is pain, i want to see them hurting, i dont want to be the only one feeling this way. ive never physically acted on it, but when the urge gets strong i end up taking it out on myself instead because i feel ashamed.
--Sometimes while handing knives around people the thoughts get to me, I can vision it in my head
 
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What dreams may come?
Oct 4, 2021
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Violence is all too often a cycle that continues by being passed down from perpetrators to victim and it takes huge insight to recognise what's happening.

Also, wanting to and planning to are very different things, as someone reminded me in a different thread.

OP, you can talk to your psychologist. Stress the fact that they're feelings and are causing you distress. It's something you can work on together without setting in motion the things I assume you're so scared of. (And they'll be a lot less scary than that will happen if these feelings eat away at you, take over and erupt.)

By acknowledging these thoughts, you're a geek of a lot braver and a significantly better person than anyone who bullies without a second thought for their victims.
 
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lostintheloop

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Lots of people get violent intrusive thoughts (myself included). They can feel very convincing but what matters is your actions as your thoughts can't harm others .
Your psych will likely have experience with this and shouldn't be shocked . Maybe you could write it down if easier and emphasise you have no plans to act on them .
The thing with intrusive thoughts is that the more you focus on them , worry and obsess over them, the harder you try to get the rid of them - the more intense they can actually become. You have to learn to accept them, not give them any power and find ways to cope until they pass. I know it's easier said than done but your psych should be able to help with this.
 
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sugarb

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Jun 14, 2024
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Once I only had homicidal thoughts when bullied but then they were replaced entirely by suicidal thoughts and selfharm. However recently I started feeling impulses to be violent against other people are well again :( Does this happen to anyone else? If yes then what's your advice to stop these thoughts? I'm scared asf to tell my psychologist about them
I occasionally have violent ideation, but it's random and always directed at random strangers. I suspect it's just intrusive thoughts since it only really happens during disassociation and the most violent thing I've ever done happened in the third grade and consisted of punching a dude who bullied me

I'm not sure what can be done to stop the thoughts apart from some kind of mental training, but as long as you aren't acting on them, it's if not comfortable at least not actually harmful to anyone
 
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MisterOGBongWater

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Aug 30, 2023
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Lots of people get violent intrusive thoughts (myself included). They can feel very convincing but what matters is your actions as your thoughts can't harm others .
Your psych will likely have experience with this and shouldn't be shocked . Maybe you could write it down if easier and emphasise you have no plans to act on them .
The thing with intrusive thoughts is that the more you focus on them , worry and obsess over them, the harder you try to get the rid of them - the more intense they can actually become. You have to learn to accept them, not give them any power and find ways to cope until they pass. I know it's easier said than done but your psych should be able to help with this.
what if its not an intrusive thought and a rage fueled want to hurt
 
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lostintheloop

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Apr 14, 2023
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what if its not an intrusive thought and a rage fueled want to hurt
I don't have that experience but i similar applies - what matters is whether you act on them. If it's a wanted urge rather than an unwanted thought then it is going to be harder to resist . But it is still possible . There are support groups, therapists etc. who specialise in anger management . So if someone wants help to not act on their urges, they can try to get it .
 
Placo

Placo

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Feb 14, 2024
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It used to happen to me but lately, thinking about it carefully, I think that killing someone in the end is like doing them a favor, you free them in a certain sense, when they die they won't be sad because you killed them, you end up in legal trouble needlessly.
 
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Illegal Preclear

Illegal Preclear

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Sep 6, 2022
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You know it's interesting. My stepmom said offhand a few weeks ago "if you're suicidal, then you're homicidal." Which isn't objectively true at all, but I stopped to think about it and added some nuance - if you are willing and desiring to die, it would be easier for you to commit a violent act IF that's already your intention. Another thing - I truly believe once you've crossed the threshold into wanting to die and death has been denied to you, it sickens the soul. Like you have an open wound left to fester and stew and it becomes infected, which can lead to violent thoughts. HOWEVER, once you add Psychiatry into the mix, and people who have attempted CTB or even voiced their desire to CTB are likely to become entangled with coercive Psychiatry and that's where the real problems start. Psych Drugs can absolutely rewire a person's brain to act out violently - no different than how bath salts can make a normal person want to chew someone's face off.

Some of the drugs Psychiatrists have forced me to take made me say such ugly things to people I would never dream of saying. Research school shooters! Most school shooters were on hard Psych drugs that obviously did not agree with them - and they were COERCED into taking them by either clueless parents or Psychiatrists looking to experiment without giving a damn about their wellbeing.

As for me personally - if I put the things I fantasize into writing ANYWHERE the cops will be knocking at my door waiting to haul me off to Psychiatrists, I've learned that good and well. Which is funny because a lot of those dark fantasies are centered around Psychiatrists and the kind of people who become them. Also my mother and sister. The things I've thought about doing to my mother and sister...

BUT - I would never act out on these fantasies. Because I know my CTB is imminent and while Karma is reversed on this Prison Planet and violent, evil actions will get you everywhere in this corner of existence, I truly don't know what penalties those actions carry after death. Maybe none, maybe after we die we fade into oblivion. But if we do have a chance to escape this Prison Planet after we die, it would be really, really stupid of me to muck everything up and rack up Karmic debt in my last couple months of life.

It used to happen to me but lately, thinking about it carefully, I think that killing someone in the end is like doing them a favor, you free them in a certain sense, when they die they won't be sad because you killed them, you end up in legal trouble needlessly.

THIS. This is exactly right. And it's really a brilliant way to look at the act of killing. You think you're doing the worst thing you can to someone, but in reality you free a person from this Prison Planet and put yourself in lockdown both physically and Karmically. By killing, you only hurt yourself. Which makes perfect sense on a backwards Planet like this one.

@JustBeingHere377 I would suggest you write these feelings in a handwritten journal. Sketch violent pictures in it if you're so inclined. Take it out on the paper, and keep the journal to yourself. It's okay to have these fantasies. I have them too. But UNDERSTAND - the consequences of violent actions, at least for people in positions like ours, is never worth it. I don't know if you're planning on CTB soon, but think of it like this - CTB is getting released from this Prison Planet. Do you really want to muck things up by shanking someone in jail so close to your release?
 
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Cress

Cress

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Oct 15, 2023
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You know it's interesting. My stepmom said offhand a few weeks ago "if you're suicidal, then you're homicidal." Which isn't objectively true at all, but I stopped to think about it and added some nuance - if you are willing and desiring to die, it would be easier for you to commit a violent act IF that's already your intention. Another thing - I truly believe once you've crossed the threshold into wanting to die and death has been denied to you, it sickens the soul. Like you have an open wound left to fester and stew and it becomes infected, which can lead to violent thoughts. HOWEVER, once you add Psychiatry into the mix, and people who have attempted CTB or even voiced their desire to CTB are likely to become entangled with coercive Psychiatry and that's where the real problems start. Psych Drugs can absolutely rewire a person's brain to act out violently - no different than how bath salts can make a normal person want to chew someone's face off.

Some of the drugs Psychiatrists have forced me to take made me say such ugly things to people I would never dream of saying. Research school shooters! Most school shooters were on hard Psych drugs that obviously did not agree with them - and they were COERCED into taking them by either clueless parents or Psychiatrists looking to experiment without giving a damn about their wellbeing.

As for me personally - if I put the things I fantasize into writing ANYWHERE the cops will be knocking at my door waiting to haul me off to Psychiatrists, I've learned that good and well. Which is funny because a lot of those dark fantasies are centered around Psychiatrists and the kind of people who become them. Also my mother and sister. The things I've thought about doing to my mother and sister...

BUT - I would never act out on these fantasies. Because I know my CTB is imminent and while Karma is reversed on this Prison Planet and violent, evil actions will get you everywhere in this corner of existence, I truly don't know what penalties those actions carry after death. Maybe none, maybe after we die we fade into oblivion. But if we do have a chance to escape this Prison Planet after we die, it would be really, really stupid of me to muck everything up and rack up Karmic debt in my last couple months of life.



THIS. This is exactly right. And it's really a brilliant way to look at the act of killing. You think you're doing the worst thing you can to someone, but in reality you free a person from this Prison Planet and put yourself in lockdown both physically and Karmically. By killing, you only hurt yourself. Which makes perfect sense on a backwards Planet like this one.

@JustBeingHere377 I would suggest you write these feelings in a handwritten journal. Sketch violent pictures in it if you're so inclined. Take it out on the paper, and keep the journal to yourself. It's okay to have these fantasies. I have them too. But UNDERSTAND - the consequences of violent actions, at least for people in positions like ours, is never worth it. I don't know if you're planning on CTB soon, but think of it like this - CTB is getting released from this Prison Planet. Do you really want to muck things up by shanking someone in jail so close to your release?


You know it's interesting I kind of had a theory That the vast majority of people that become homicidal were suicidal at some point earlier in their life. You don't think about harming others until you've completely accepted being able to harm yourself and broken down your sense of self.

It would be Really difficult and complex to try to prove something like that but it's always something that I suspected. Maybe it's possible to do a survey with the people here but it's such a dark subject I don't know that I really want to bring it up or really see the immediate benefit.

Yeah I agree with you that your mom wasn't being objective about thinking suicidal people are also homicidal. The vast majority of people who are suicidal only ever think about harming themselves and it's the rare minority where that transitions into something else. Still it's a useful conversation to have I suppose.
 
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divinemistress36

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Yes, but I would never act on it
 
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pb_knight

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Jul 11, 2023
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Violence is all too often a cycle that continues by being passed down from perpetrators to victim and it takes huge insight to recognise what's happening.

Also, wanting to and planning to are very different things, as someone reminded me in a different thread.

OP, you can talk to your psychologist. Stress the fact that they're feelings and are causing you distress. It's something you can work on together without setting in motion the things I assume you're so scared of. (And they'll be a lot less scary than that will happen if these feelings eat away at you, take over and erupt.)

By acknowledging these thoughts, you're a geek of a lot braver and a significantly better person than anyone who bullies without a second thought for their victims.
When I was severely bullied, my suisidal thoughts turned homicidal against those who truamatized me. I left that school and all urges when away and resumed the usual religious-like self-harm / sui ideation
 
executioner1983

executioner1983

death is sustainable
Oct 2, 2023
84
Yes, frequently. It happens under specific circumstances though and I don't believe I would ever go through with it unless it was in an act of self-defense. I hate people but I understand that humans are confused, insecure things so I try not to take their malice towards me seriously.
 
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pulleditnearlyoff

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Apr 26, 2024
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Yes, have those thoughts towards anyone who hurt me. In fact I fantasize a lot of making bombs and hurt/murder as much people at once, including myself. I try really hard to not act on my thoughts, but I'm afraid the "bomb will burst" at some time. I feel it just building up. I talk to my therapist about it but al she sais is that she doesn't think I will ever act on it (which is quite frustrating).

Sorry for my bad english btw!
 
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justwannadip

justwannadip

it's still raining
May 27, 2024
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You know it's interesting. My stepmom said offhand a few weeks ago "if you're suicidal, then you're homicidal." Which isn't objectively true at all, but I stopped to think about it and added some nuance - if you are willing and desiring to die, it would be easier for you to commit a violent act IF that's already your intention. Another thing - I truly believe once you've crossed the threshold into wanting to die and death has been denied to you, it sickens the soul. Like you have an open wound left to fester and stew and it becomes infected, which can lead to violent thoughts. HOWEVER, once you add Psychiatry into the mix, and people who have attempted CTB or even voiced their desire to CTB are likely to become entangled with coercive Psychiatry and that's where the real problems start. Psych Drugs can absolutely rewire a person's brain to act out violently - no different than how bath salts can make a normal person want to chew someone's face off.

Some of the drugs Psychiatrists have forced me to take made me say such ugly things to people I would never dream of saying. Research school shooters! Most school shooters were on hard Psych drugs that obviously did not agree with them - and they were COERCED into taking them by either clueless parents or Psychiatrists looking to experiment without giving a damn about their wellbeing.

As for me personally - if I put the things I fantasize into writing ANYWHERE the cops will be knocking at my door waiting to haul me off to Psychiatrists, I've learned that good and well. Which is funny because a lot of those dark fantasies are centered around Psychiatrists and the kind of people who become them. Also my mother and sister. The things I've thought about doing to my mother and sister...

BUT - I would never act out on these fantasies. Because I know my CTB is imminent and while Karma is reversed on this Prison Planet and violent, evil actions will get you everywhere in this corner of existence, I truly don't know what penalties those actions carry after death. Maybe none, maybe after we die we fade into oblivion. But if we do have a chance to escape this Prison Planet after we die, it would be really, really stupid of me to muck everything up and rack up Karmic debt in my last couple months of life.



THIS. This is exactly right. And it's really a brilliant way to look at the act of killing. You think you're doing the worst thing you can to someone, but in reality you free a person from this Prison Planet and put yourself in lockdown both physically and Karmically. By killing, you only hurt yourself. Which makes perfect sense on a backwards Planet like this one.

@JustBeingHere377 I would suggest you write these feelings in a handwritten journal. Sketch violent pictures in it if you're so inclined. Take it out on the paper, and keep the journal to yourself. It's okay to have these fantasies. I have them too. But UNDERSTAND - the consequences of violent actions, at least for people in positions like ours, is never worth it. I don't know if you're planning on CTB soon, but think of it like this - CTB is getting released from this Prison Planet. Do you really want to muck things up by shanking someone in jail so close to your release?
Ya but there are quite a few people who experience a lot of joy and are genuinely content and happy in their life. Its therefore not a prison planet for them.
 
thedevilwithin

thedevilwithin

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Oct 4, 2023
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It used to happen to me but lately, thinking about it carefully, I think that killing someone in the end is like doing them a favor, you free them in a certain sense, when they die they won't be sad because you killed them, you end up in legal trouble needlessly.
that's not your decision to make.
 
Krokodile

Krokodile

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Nov 18, 2023
68
I think it's perfectly natural to think of things like revenge and extreme problem solving techniques when the answer to "what do I have to lose" is "nothing." I'm certain it's common, whether people admit to it or not.
 
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Callie Arcale

Callie Arcale

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Feb 10, 2021
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It used to happen to me but lately, thinking about it carefully, I think that killing someone in the end is like doing them a favor, you free them in a certain sense, when they die they won't be sad because you killed them, you end up in legal trouble needlessly.

Just because you happen to view death as some sort of liberation, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Who are you to decide someone else needs to be freed?

Saying that killing someone is doing them a favour makes no sense. You are fooling yourself by giving homicide an absurd meaning.

You are not put on this earth to make decisions about life and death for anyone but yourself.
 
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Placo

Placo

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Feb 14, 2024
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Just because you happen to view death as some sort of liberation, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Who are you to decide someone else needs to be freed?

Saying that killing someone is doing them a favour makes no sense. You are fooling yourself by giving homicide an absurd meaning.

You are not put on this earth to make decisions about life and death for anyone but yourself.
But where did I write that everyone has to think like me? I can't even give my opinion?

Or even that I have the power of life or death over others.

And anyway it makes no sense and it's absurd for you, you're the one trying to impose your vision on others.
 
b1cycle

b1cycle

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Jun 9, 2024
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I have thoughts of killing the woman who sexually assaulted me and left me scarred. I'm a little torn on whether it is a reasonable thing to do. If I am dead, it won't matter. Not sure why I have some fantasy of getting revenge before I go.
 
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Holu

Holu

Hypomania go brrr
Apr 5, 2023
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dunno if someone said already but this is called Harm OCD. It's for reasons like this that I tend to avoid carrying knives in public. Stabby stab stab :(.

Typically harm OCD makes the individual distressed but it's possible it doesn't.

It could technically also be an extreme and unique form of ASPD(anti social personality disorder) in the current iteration of what was known as SPD(sadistic personality disorder). However for that to be the case you would have to feel sexual stimulation for causing harm.

Anyways the more you know ig lol
 

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