Discussion There is no dumb reason to CTB

[ForestGhost]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I think some people are less resilient than others, and it's not always about mental illness.

 

[gothbird]

No, there's not really a dumb reason to CTB. But there are reasons that are temporary, or treatable, or tied to shit that could shift with time, meds, therapy, or just the grind of surviving a few more years. That doesn't mean your pain isn't real—it just means some exits are maybe worth postponing to see if the tunnel opens up. Especially if you've never taken a serious swing at fixing what's wrong.

That said, mental illness and physical illness by itself can absolutely be reason enough. If your own brain and/or body becomes the cage, and you've tried everything you can try, and it's still hopeless? That's valid. No one else lives inside your skull. No one else knows the cost of staying.

But yeah. I've seen people want to CTB over losing a job, or getting dumped, or flunking out. And part of me wants to shake them and go, "Wait. That's survivable! That's not the end!" Because I've lived through that stuff and came out fine. But that's the key part: I came out fine. Someone else might not. Someone else's brain might turn that into a permanent spiral.

And either way—it's not up to us to rank whose pain gets to exit.
People choose when they're done. We don't get to rewrite that.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't see why voluntary death would even need a reason, I don't see why it'd need to be justified as after all this existence was imposed in the first place and death will happen anyway whether there is a reason behind it or not, for me personally there is no illness in wanting death, I just want peace instead of being burdened with this existence of futile unnecesary suffering I never would had chosen in the first place, for me non-existence is all that's positive and is all I hope for.

I only see non-existence as desirable, I'll always see existence as the most terrible tragic mistake that just causes harm and suffering and if I cease existing I cannot suffer in any way, this existence was so tragically imposed so I should be able to peacefully free myself from it whenever I wish to. I see no benefit, point and value to being burdened with this existence just to die in agony from old age suffering all for the sake of it with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, to me existence really is an abomination and I see it as the most terrible tragedy how I was forced into this existence at all when never suffering was perfection, it's horrific to me how a human can suffer for so long.

 

[Halfhourdays]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

What are reasons typically considered "not dumb"? I would imagine something like cancer would be a reason most would agree is reasonable.

Many here have a mental illness. Do you condone suicide for schizophrenia, autism, etc.?

And either way—it's not up to us to rank whose pain gets to exit.
People choose when they're done. We don't get to rewrite that.

Actually, a ranking of reasons from "most valid" to least might be helpful.

 

[gothbird]

What are reasons typically considered "not dumb"? I would imagine something like cancer would be a reason most would agree is reasonable.

Many here have a mental illness. Do you condone suicide for schizophrenia, autism, etc.?

Actually, a ranking of reasons from "most valid" to least might be helpful.

Nah, I get why you'd think that might help but it wouldn't.

There's no universal metric for what counts as a "valid" reason to CTB. What wrecks one person barely touches another. Some people survive homelessness, assault, addiction, decades of pain—and still stay. Others get dumped once and spiral so hard they never recover. It's not about the event. It's about the brain reacting to it.

Trying to rank reasons creates a hierarchy that does nothing but shame the people already closest to the edge. It turns survival into a contest. "You want to die over this? Well, someone else lived through worse." That's not helpful. That's guilt dressed up as logic.

And let's be real—no one CTBs because of one thing. It's always a build-up. Even when it looks like a single trigger, it's a house made of years of rot that finally collapsed. You can't rank that.

If someone's in enough pain to want out, the reason is already big enough for them.

 

[Halfhourdays]

Nah, I get why you'd think that might help but it wouldn't.

There's no universal metric for what counts as a "valid" reason to CTB. What wrecks one person barely touches another. Some people survive homelessness, assault, addiction, decades of pain—and still stay. Others get dumped once and spiral so hard they never recover. It's not about the event. It's about the brain reacting to it.

Trying to rank reasons creates a hierarchy that does nothing but shame the people already closest to the edge. It turns survival into a contest. "You want to die over this? Well, someone else lived through worse." That's not helpful. That's guilt dressed up as logic.

And let's be real—no one CTBs because of one thing. It's always a build-up. Even when it looks like a single trigger, it's a house made of years of rot that finally collapsed. You can't rank that.

If someone's in enough pain to want out, the reason is already big enough for them.

Fair enough, but the list could acknowledge all that.

 

[farewell_lover]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

You put it very nicely my dear. Don't ever feel dumb.

 

[FakeProdigy]

Thanks, I feel like compared to others my situation doesn't warrant CTB and yet that's all I can think about. I need to read those words to feel better about my decision.

 

[CentreMid]

People ctb for all sorts of reasons, some of which we may not always agree with or even consider "valid". There are plenty of posts here citing reasons that I personally wouldn't consider ctb'ing over, but what is insignificant to me may be monumental to someone else, even if only for a moment. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people here who think my reasons are dumb, but that doesn't bother me.

Best to try to support each other as best as we're able in whatever direction we need (whether that be suicide or recovery), regardless of the reason

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Imo, I think there are plenty of just plain stupid reasons to ctb, with break-ups topping the list. Killing yourself over another is just dumb. That's my opinion, that's what I think.

 

[Stan Swiftie]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

I think it's dumb for a person to CTB over a girl/guy... Especially if that person is young. But people do it all the time. And it's funny I say that cuz I've attempted to CTB 4 times over girls. And when I finally succeed at CTB it will be because I can't have a girl. Ever!

 

[Ligottian]

Arthur Schopenhauer said something like the following.

There is no misfortune so great that some people will not end their lives. On the other hand, there is not one so small that others will end theirs.

 

[divinemistress36]

Imo, I think there are plenty of just plain stupid reasons to ctb, with break-ups topping the list. Killing yourself over another is just dumb. That's my opinion, that's what I think.

I think thats a young persons reason why they want to ctb usually. Hormones make people think they need that person even though they only dated for like a year

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

why do i have to live another minute?

why do i have to want to live another minute?

no one can convince me there is a reason to answer the above . no one even has answered .

the above stand even without the below

1. we all will die anyway so why prolong suffering ?
2. there is pain so bad 1 minute of it makes everything else meaningless. why do i have to risk extreme torture ?
3.why do i have to work all day a job and chores etc dealing with problems suffering only to get old and risk extreme torture?
4. i'm just another animal , a bag of cells , chemical reactions, a machine . this further shows the meaningless of life and how ridiculous it is to continue as a slave prisoner and with the above points.
5. why do i have to live as a slave prisoner in this suicide prohibition state?

i don't have to do anything . what i want is out of this hell for the above reasons and more personal reasons . what i want is non-existence forever asap where i can't suffer , nor feel pain , nor be under threat of extreme torture ( but they tell me i can't think those things that i have to continue to be a slave ... well i won't listen to them

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I think thats a young persons reason why they want to ctb usually. Hormones make people think they need that person even though they only dated for like a year

I had hormones churning inside me when I was a "kid". Still do actually haha. I've gotten absolutely crushed over breakups. A couple took years to ride out. That's what you do. You wait on the chemicals to go away and then just move on. I remember exactly what it felt like to have your heart broken, soul ripped apart, your world absolutely crushed. I'd argue that if someone is so vested in someone else for their happiness, to the point that they would need to kill themselves if the other person broke up with them, then it's an absolute unhealthy relationship from the start and stands no chance of even being sustainable over the long term, anyway. I know kids are dumb and do dumb things. I was one and did plenty of stupid things. But, there's stupid and then there's really stupid. No one person is worth your life unless you're protecting your child. That's how I feel and I make no apologies for it.